Big_Stu

[quote name='51m0n' timestamp='1356027622' post='1906025']Look if you dont accept that the acoustics of the room have anything to do with it you [b][i]are[/i][/b] a nutter, delusion, incapable of rational thought and in all likelihood in need of some time alone in the little room with the white coat. And yes, that [b][i]is[/i][/b] pointed directly at you, and anyone else who thinks the same way....[/quote] .......... and again, in the same way that I defied you to find any place where I said my system was at it's best, I defy you to find where I said that. You should recognise that you've lost it when you have to make up what someone is alleged to have said & then make sarcastic replies to it. I would strongly suggest you follow your own advice in your last sentence.

[quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1356026145' post='1906006'] Yeah, but car reviews ARE about as crappy as Hifi reviews aren't they? [/quote] .............. and don't even START him on reviews of in-car hi-fi systems! "oooh, that gear stick will have to go - and what's that big round thing for? - it'll ruin the acoustics!"

[quote name='51m0n' timestamp='1356025507' post='1905987'] It wasnt even aimed specifically at [i]you[/i]! I didnt describe [i]you [/i]delusional, I described anyone spending that much money on a system in an untreated room as delusional.[/quote] That is the most infantile cop-out I have ever read on this entire forum. Come on, you can do better than that - try again........... [quote name='51m0n' timestamp='1356025507' post='1905987']So if you cant get the most out of your system, how can you objectively even begin to make comparisons with it? Any comparison you make is going to be highly flawed. They very thing you like about the "sound of vinyl" may actually be because of the room. And CD is in fact doing a better job, but you cant tell becasue the room is wrecking your ability to perceive that. Does that even make sense?[/quote] Well that pretty much screws up any car reviews you might read. Any BMW, Porsche or any other car for that matter that hasn't been tuned to perfection, any limiters removed & driven under absolutely perfect weather conditions can't be given a worthy comparison worth reading and all those drivers are going to be cruising along thinking "It's crap this car, it's so flawed". It must be great being you, living on such a perfect different planet.

[quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1356025164' post='1905977']Brussels sprouts - yes or no?[/quote] Hell yeah - and to hell with the consequences, if she loves you she'll join in............... just more discretely!

[quote name='51m0n' timestamp='1356023908' post='1905953'] In context I think its accurate. I stand by it. If you want to get the most out of quality hifi, dont put it in a crap sounding room. Untreated living rooms sound crap. [b]Its pretty delusional if you think you are getting the most out of that gear in that room in almost all cases I can think of.[/b] Enjoy it; owning it, dusting it, and listening to it, by all means. Do I think its a useful bit of input though? Hell yes, otherwise I wouldn't have said it. Are you deluding yourself yet????[/quote] I defy you to find one single hint of a thought of an inkling of where I said - or even thought - I was getting the most out of my system? I'll leave you to trawl back, but as I said (IIRC) - it operates as well as it can within the confines of a family home (again I paraphrase) Since I live in a standard normal home rather than a lab - and I don't get as obsessive about things as you would appear to be. For you to repeat a few times a reply based on something that was never said is the grossly delusional bit.

[quote name='KingBollock' timestamp='1356022777' post='1905918'] There used to be a recording on Anne Rice's website that used to play automatically. It was a very, very old recording from the late 1800's I think. It took me a long time but I found out who it was singing and what the song was, it may have been a hymn, but I can't for the life of me remember what it was now. At the time I searched desperately for similar recordings but found nothing. It was hissy and spitty, crackly and poppy but it had amazing presence, proper heart swelling stuff that left me with wet eyes. About as far from hifi as you can get but it was lovely to me. [/quote] I know what you mean; I've got a bootleg tape of Slade live in Leicester in '82. One of the few recordings of a full gig of theirs. It's in a vague stereo ish kind of format but still quite hissy, I burnt it to CD before I wore it out. Great memories of a great gig.

[quote name='51m0n' timestamp='1356022629' post='1905913']No one else but you started taking pot shots at anyone for their input. Hope you feel very 'clever' .....[/quote] Whereas the fact - which you just confirmed and repeated - that you describe someone as "delusional" is what? A useful contribution in your eyes. Damned from your own words I believe? Do you also deride 4x4 drivers if they don't live in the country too? Anything else you'd have on your list in your small world?

[quote name='KingBollock' timestamp='1356021689' post='1905892']Then it all goes in circles[/quote] That's the one............... ....... as it goes I'm sat here wrapping other half's pressies while she's taking a nap - and I've got the (vinyl ) OST to "The Alamo" on the turntable - strangely - it's got [i]El Degüello [/i]on just now. Even though it's probably a fallacy that it was played at the time. My son's band had it for their intro music briefly - it wasn't appreciated.

[quote name='51m0n' timestamp='1356020869' post='1905866'] What was it other than "I like vinyl so there" you were bringing to the conversation anyway?? Yup, thats all it was BS, bs to bs BS. Not meant to try and help.[/quote] I think - IIRC - that it started off with something about you're wrong to have spent so much on a system if the room is in isn't as perfect as I say it should be" (I paraphrase). You gave up trying to help when it became a science competition between you and others as to who knew the most facts.... that was a good few pages ago. Since almost all threads on here are a general consensus of opinion I fail to see why a simple opinion of "I value the perceived "warmth" of vinyl" - as it often described, should become a brain-washing session.

[quote name='Dingus' timestamp='1356020263' post='1905852'] Regardless of the technical merits of either format , I think it fair to conclude that either vinyl or CD can sound pretty damn good with the right equipment in the right environment . Does that sound like a reasonable compromise ? [/quote] Of course it is - it's what a music lover should be saying, but - and there's always some one with a "but" - you then get the retort that "you can't compromise with facts/science, there has to be a "best" and I'm not stopping until......." etc. & the whole band starts circling the wagons again.

[quote name='Skol303' timestamp='1356019629' post='1905834']At least I think that's the point people are trying to make here.[/quote] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u-I0D9ReqI[/media] I used to have this as the out-going on my answering machine once.

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1356011787' post='1905673'] Only just got the joke! very good sir[/quote] There's a friend of the family has a jazz quartet who's bassist uses an old upright. I could just about get a "Sunshine of your love" out of it - first time of trying. Much respect to anyone who can gig one.

[quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1356011686' post='1905668']The issue seems to kick off when it's claimed that vinyl is a better reproduction system than CD. Since no-one can (reasonably) argue against personal preference, it's left to the science to get at some real facts[/quote] I wasn't aware that anyone had, just that it's different. What I can't abide is the train of thought of "Oh, they're still not agreeing with me, OK then - I'll throw another 400+ words at them until they do." I mean - even Spock was a man of few words!

[quote name='51m0n' timestamp='1356017847' post='1905791']I am only trying to point out that their attempts to suggest that CD is the worse medium for the task of reproducing music may actually be somewhat flawed. If they read up, have a think, and can get their heads around the points being made on all sides they may be better educated[/quote] You really can't help yourself can you? Sorry if I haven't pandered to your superiority complex.

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1356011396' post='1905663'] It came! yesterday about 10 mins before I had to go out!!!! Had a fiddle this morning ..............[/quote] Not surprised it's shrunk with all the rain that's about Great to get a new toy just before Xmas! Have fun!

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1355918886' post='1904396'] ITS ON ITS WAY!!!!! Delivery before the end of today, it was in Stoke at 5am this morning Oooooshh Now here is the snagg, I have got to go and do a quote for work at a nearby school so what the fecking betting it turns up if I go out? [/quote] ........................ and???????????????????

Nice, it'd be a tough call between one of those & an EB0.

[quote name='Leonard Smalls' timestamp='1356009597' post='1905614']And I think you'll find mine is bigger. Not saying what though [/quote] Yeah, but mine's a 12 incher ................. still on the subject of vinyl of course!

[quote name='51m0n' timestamp='1356006797' post='1905552']Please reread my [i]extended[/i] essay on the subject.[/quote] Therein is the rub! 11 pages of pat-a-cake pat-a-cake; who's knows what, who can refer to the most facts, as though it's a battle of wills as to who's going to prove factually, no matter how many repetitive pages it takes, what is - like all music forms - a matter of personal taste as to what sounds better to some people, until the other person with other figures concedes. It's like going to a gig & a punter says "It's too loud", you wouldn't reply with "No it isn't, my decibel meter says otherwise" There's more & more of such on this forum (as has been commented on by others, not me, in recent days). If it's not here it's repeated ad nauseum on whether someone should mix 10" drivers with 15s, no matter how recently the same answer was given to a similar thread shortly previously. You can bang on until you've made it 111 pages of facts & figures, you will not change the personal preference of the media folk choose to prefer for their own reasons.

[quote name='51m0n' timestamp='1356000906' post='1905442'] Stu, art is art, music is art. Music [i]reproduction[/i] is science and engineering. I'm really not sure what your problem is with every post I make about it now. ........... I'm done in here. Enjoy the vinyl chaps......[/quote] I already did say, & also clarified that it's not just you; that so many people have come on here about what they enjoy about their vinyl, or their CDs - or various other formats. And all they get back is science, and more science. For the role you have in music ....... you have no soul man, not going from any example you've shown within the limited sphere of these 11 pages of this anyway. Time to dig the Xmas carols out................. on CD................for enjoyment!!!!!!!!!

[quote name='51m0n' timestamp='1355998711' post='1905398']Anyone here care to show .........[/quote] Most I believe - being music lovers & listeners rather than over [i]anal[/i]-ysing every nook & cranny have scanned over or given up on recent grandiose posts; not just that one but the epic cut & paste previously. Many consider whether the "art" aspect of music outweighs the "science"; most prefer the former with due respect to the latter, some don't. The question in the OP was answered a long while ago.

When I was about 13 and knew that Slade were the absolute bollox; the first non-Slade LP I ever bought was Bowie's "Aladdin Sane" ....... step forward the much under-rated Trevor Bolder. For some reason this track was the first one I listened to off the album & I was hooked! [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf0fmqWS-kI[/media] Bonus for a Slade fan was that at the time he was also using an EB3.

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1355955585' post='1905085'] This is pretty much what I was thinking when I first read the OP. I've since been corrected though as pertinent details were left out. The whole, we're too good for him to play with us, he'll ruin it, is something that a petulant child would say. Add in the reference to kickboxing - no idea what that has to do with anything. "We're really good", "the guitarist's are awesome", "the guitarists can play any tune", "we played an awesome gig", "He doesn't even know who (insert guitar hero name here) is."[/quote] You forgot....... "Never been in a band that's done anything but play pub rock (which is fine and has it's place)" [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mURhNIjc-Kw[/media]

[quote name='hollywoodrox' timestamp='1355876019' post='1904046'] Showaddywaddy hey mr Christmas Greg lake. I believe in Father Christmas Mike oldfield on horseback Steeleye span [b]All around my hat[/b] Wings. Wonderful. Xmas time I also consider a lot of songs Xmas songs that make me think of Xmas like bohemian rhapsody, we are the champions, mull of kintyre that were strong in the charts at Xmas and remind me of when I was little. A lot are being shown in the totp reruns at the moment and its a real treat [/quote] Don't you mean "Gaudete"?

Not got any of them kind with all the circles that Venn Morrison invented?