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[quote name='EBS_freak' post='450707' date='Mar 31 2009, 05:42 PM']Agreed... and that is preferable to have somebody who is equally versed in playing and journalism - but I don't necessarily agree that it is essential. The thing is, some of the things that have been picked up in this thread should have never made it to print as they did. The text should be vetted and improved on where necessary. I would rather have somebody review a bass who is a capable player rather than somebody who is an exceptional wordsmith. It's the job of the wordsmith employed by the company to make sure the text that they are being supplied with is making the grade...[/quote] I'd pay more to read that.... Every few years 'something' British appears,and its nice..but laughable after 2-3 issues...I tried BGM..I really did,but bar the Richard Johnson years at Bassplayer,its never come close..the interviews are flyweight compared to the Yanks.

[quote name='BigRedX' post='450586' date='Mar 31 2009, 03:19 PM']Maybe tBBC is right here and BGM does need to "grow some balls" after all it is the only dedicated UK bass mag. Where else are Fender etc. going to advertise in order to appeal to UK bass players?[/quote] Back of the net!!! Anyone can be bland,problem is..do you have Journo's writing,or musicians playing at Journo's?? Bassplayers staff are pretty much Journos (college major,uni ..whatever..qualified in Journalism) that play bass or have played bass to an,at least semipro level....Bar the Workshops,and those persons tend to be professional tutors (Rich Appleman,Steve Bailey,Goldsby,Berlin etc). Have a stab at playing big fish....its a small pond being the only UK based choice,so pump up!

[quote name='Jase' post='450685' date='Mar 31 2009, 05:14 PM']Look at it like this...there's a new editor....give it a chance, see how it develops.[/quote] It can only go two ways Jase.....

[quote name='BigBeefChief' post='449981' date='Mar 30 2009, 09:41 PM']I'm sure that even the contributers of BGM know its crap.[/quote] After being taught by one...The person admitted..it is! Satisfy the companies,its their piece of kit......they are paying you...you like it or we pull the advertising...its the same with music mags. Its around this moment that you get a feeling akin to the moment you found out wrestleing was not real...dont worry,you get over it.

British Bass mags have always been the reason I buy Bassplayer.

Ha Ha.

I still think Headless itself is on the way back,because its SOOOOO much easier on the spine...

[quote name='OldGit' post='449737' date='Mar 30 2009, 06:15 PM']I'm pretty sure he's dead as well now .....[/quote] Yeah,last time I checked for lifesigns he seemed a tad pungent....But with drummers,you just never know... Hot Black Dizziato springs to mind.

[quote name='OldGit' post='449731' date='Mar 30 2009, 06:09 PM']What, Dead?[/quote] I was gonna say Pissed....

(Whispers)....Headless

[quote name='captain black' post='449161' date='Mar 30 2009, 01:41 AM']I've noticed a proliferation in the numbers of 'Dads Bands' around at the minute. You can see them all over. They're young. Their dads ferry them to 'gigs' and set the gear up for them while they stand around looking vaguely interested. They spend the whole night playing power chords learnt from Tab off the internet while adoring jailbait looks on. The dads stand at the back nodding all the way through and then pack up the gear at the end. The upshot? It's all done for them! They haven't had to do it for themselves. As a kid I had to bus 6 miles to practices then carry my amp and bass about a mile (stopping for many rests) so that by the time I got there I could hardly play. When you learnt your favourite songs you had to LISTEN to the Record ...NO REALLY LISTEN and work out what was going on. You learnt the subtleties. You learnt your trade. You couldn't just google it. So I think your answer lies in the fact that the future generation of bands are missing out on the 'serving your time' part. Also the standard of affordable guitars and basses you learnt on back then, or should I say Planks (hondo etc.), was pretty poor in comparison to what young 'uns have today (not that Dad hasn't bought them a Les Paul anyway). Anyway....Rant over. Ps. Apologies to anyone who helps out with their son's band but you get my point. Some still earn their stripes though fella,you just have to go to poorer areas,watching 5 total ragtags with sh*tty gear get up and do it,is often a marvel to behold... =-------------- Ouch,you brought back a painful memory of an audition..I had to lug my bass and head from south Beeston to Holbeck....that hurt. That was the day Keegan walked after losing to Germany at old Wembley[/quote]

[quote name='escholl' post='449141' date='Mar 30 2009, 12:42 AM']plenty good ones out there. just have to know where to look.[/quote] Yeah But Im jaded and everything sounds the same or like summat Ive heard before!! (John Peel,comes to mind...in 40 odd years of broadcasting said that only Roxy ever sounded like nothing he had heard of before)

I use a 6 like a 4.....PHAT 5th fret B string.

[quote name='escholl' post='449091' date='Mar 29 2009, 11:28 PM']Since i've realized this a few years ago, i've made a point of listening to albums all the way through now, and in the right order -- after all, a lot of work usually goes into that. And you know, it's funny, i can't stand to listen to tracks on shuffle anymore! Of course, some albums are still rubbish, and don't flow well, and have lots of bad songs -- but those bands are usually crap, so i don't tend to listen to them in the first place ^_^[/quote] Its not often I hear a REALLY strong lp these days.....All killer ,no filler...

[quote name='Shonks' post='448971' date='Mar 29 2009, 09:16 PM']I agree with Oscar South - there are some frighteningly amazing young players out there - and frighteningly crap ones too. But the new young talent that is good, Is Good!!!![/quote] Its always been like that,regardless of style...The good ones DO get noticed.

You are basically wondering where all the 'good' musicians in Metal went since Grunge turned up. Scandinavia.....The 'Black' metal guys could write.....Emperor,Marduk (B-War was an amazing Bassist) ,At The Gates (became The Haunted),Dissection (Storm of the light's bane).... The Brits got obsessed with the Yank trackie and trainers gang...Kinda the wrong direction from Pantera...into Korn...Sepultura wandered off the point with Chaos A.D,then really split opinion with Roots....White Zombie,Fear Factory....even Prong.... the underground was all what was left.....Those bands had better success in Europe,than back home.

[quote name='jonny-lad' post='448751' date='Mar 29 2009, 04:28 PM']I'm 22 and one thing I often find lacking in young musicians is the ability to work effectively as part of a band. Being able to listen to what's going on when playing with a band and adapting to different drummers differences in style, locking in with the rhythm section, and fitting in in the mix seem to get overlooked a bit.[/quote] Its taking producers to bring this back,esp in 'Heavy' genres.

Its nothing modification cant deal with.

[quote name='Pissman' post='448401' date='Mar 28 2009, 09:13 PM']There were Nu-metal bands in 1989?[/quote] The reaction was Power/Trad.....

[quote name='budget bassist' post='448423' date='Mar 28 2009, 10:15 PM']Fair enough, but the thing is, they have to teach you the digital methods because that's what the whole industry is using now[/quote] Of course...to teach pure analogue (Have you ever split tape? I have..I am that old!) would be silly in this day and age.

[quote name='peteb' post='448329' date='Mar 28 2009, 07:27 PM']He's actually talking mainly about nu metal rather than indie! The industry has always been more interested in image and ambition than in musical ability, that hasn't changed at all![/quote] Nu-Metal...yes the ability to play has lowered.... Send him to see us. We might restore his faith!

[quote name='budget bassist' post='448336' date='Mar 28 2009, 07:36 PM']I never said that, i never even hinted towards that, you're just saying exactly what i said two posts ago, what's your point? And everything breaks down, digital or not. sh*t happens.[/quote] I know you didnt,I was paraphrasing the Teacher that was talking to me.... My friends in the same sort of thing as you,his is film/tv score and production...at Leeds,and he is like you learning digital,because the work is on that scale..small,in the home studio. My snipey comment was about 'Popular' music courses in the UK.

[quote name='budget bassist' post='448313' date='Mar 28 2009, 07:01 PM']I don't see what's so bad about the digital revolution, it just makes capturing and manipulating trhe sound easier, the physical element of using mics to get the best possible sound is still there. And the way you mic up a drum kit is entirely subjective, as long as you get the sound you're after then it doesn't matter what you do to it.[/quote] The head of the music dept a Yorkshire uni,had this out with me in Bingley....of all gods places The digital revolution is perfectly fine..but what happens when it goes wrong,breaks down or isnt available? The basics NEED to be taught and learnt in an academic and practical situation. Its amazing for mastering....it saves time,but if you cant mic properly..play in time...tune up ...without digital assistance,WITHOUT the ability to do such a thing without un-natural aid..learning the intricacies of a room,the way a mic...even mics of the same brand ,behave....do you really think that digital is going to fix that?.

I also think..though I have no proof..That to pass a popular musical 'course' is laughably easy financial transaction with somewhat small musical value.