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Due to almost identical threads being started about 400 times a week ([i]slight over exaggeration...[/i]) and the same people giving the same answers it was suggested (thank you Si) that a sticky was made where the discussions can take place. I know this thread may become quite long but would urge anyone contributing to read it all to avoid covering the same ground (and you may find your point of view has been voiced and discussed already) over and over. As a summary, many non-effects users struggle to understand why bass players turn up to gigs with huge pedalboards and loads and loads of sounds at their disposal, when as a bass player they themselves have never 'needed' (or liked) the sound of anything but a good solid bass tone. This is often due to the musical styles played and I think it's fair for a gigging bassist to never 'need' or want to use pedals or effects... but then there are styles of music where different sounds, textures and effects make that genre what it is. As a bass player who is recording and gigging with an electronica project, I personally do not use a clean tone anywhere during the course of what I do - effects a vital to me and as much an instrument as the bass. With out my army of pedals I would struggle to make music that sits within this genre. [i]Importantly, as Basschat has a forum dedicated to effects with hundreds of daily users, it is quite clear that effects play a large part of many bass player's set ups.[/i] Here are a few of the recent threads on this topic... [url="http://basschat.co.uk/topic/168352-fxreally-need-them/"]FX...really need them?[/url] [url="http://basschat.co.uk/topic/166022-why/"]Why?[/url] [url="http://basschat.co.uk/topic/177660-i-have-a-good-bass-and-i-have-a-good-amp-why-do-i-need-a-pedal/"]I have a good bass and I have a good amp... Why do I need a pedal?[/url] [url="http://basschat.co.uk/topic/176638-why-do-so-many-bass-effects-sound-sooooo-bad-and-by-bad-i-dont-mean-good/"]Why do so many bass effects sound soooo bad? (and by 'bad' I don't mean good)[/url] Please continue the discussion in this thread and not on the threads above. Any new threads on the subject will be closed and linked to here to keep the discussion in one place. If you see a similar discussion start up in another part of the forum, please let me know, or link them to this thread. Shep. Discuss..................

[quote name='51m0n' timestamp='1338303868' post='1672415'] If you want to be trying to break new ground in the drum and bass/dubstep area then you have pretty much no choice... http://ourhelicalmind.bandcamp.com/album/analogftw-ep [/quote] Dude you make me blush! Yes this has been covered lots - at least 3 identical threads in the last month. That link contains music which is all live bass and live drums. I do NOT use a clean tone once during any of the recordings or live work... Effects are as much am instrument as the bass itself - in fact, in some tracks I force pedals to self oscilate and play them without touching the bass. For me I NEED them - and I too have a good bass and good amp. [quote name='phil.i.stein' timestamp='1338308781' post='1672514'] CHRIST, not again !!! can we please have a sticky topic for this-kind-of-thing Shep ??? Pleeeease... [/quote] Good idea. I'll search out all the threads on this topic and compile them and start a sticky... [quote name='RhysP' timestamp='1338309416' post='1672526'] Surely you would be breaking "new ground in the drum and bass/dubstep area" by NOT using shitloads of effects? [/quote] Can't argue with that! Though many guys are doing it with no pedals now - just a midi pickup and a laptop running ableton, so maybe it still isn't ground breaking...

Here is the old thread - [url="http://basschat.co.uk/topic/83076-introduce-your-band/page__hl__facebook%20page"]http://basschat.co.u...facebook%20page[/url] Boy how things have changed. I play bass for 2-piece Electronica/Brum&Bass/Dubstep/HipHop act, Our Helical Mind - everything created live without sequencers, samplers, decks or laptops - http://www.facebook.com/ourhelicalmind

I'll post it to ya mate for a tryout. Let me get the new recording out the way (may be useful to have when we hit the studio on the 9th) then I'll get it off to a few folks

I'm pretty booked up with gigs and recording until Sunday 10th but intend to do video demo's for them the following week. I've done the vid demos for the OC2 and Octamizer as well so need to get the finishing touches done!! The reverb should be available for try out if a few folks want to try it soon.

Jake - nice and tidy dude. And practical!

After some time spent with both, the Pitch Box is a definite keeper. Yes its a little wobbly on the higher sounds but for it's price it's the best 'budget' pitchshifter I've had my hands on and is perfect for my smaller board! Jury is still out on the reverb. It's a god pedal -but it was a punt to try and get me using more reverb... but it's just not me!

Awesome weekender at The Dog & Partridge in Bolton. A yearly event that gets packed out and features all the venues favourite acts that played over the last 12 months. We (Our Helical Mind) are playing on the Monday (4th) at 18:20pm along with BC's Dan Owens band, TheBrokenDoor, later that evening. Full line up etc: [url="http://www.liveatthedog.co.uk/"]http://www.liveatthedog.co.uk/[/url]

Looks great. I played a couple of his basses at Bass Day a few years back and was VERY impressed. Really nice chap too. Looking forward to seeing how this turns out. Shep

I don't know if momentary switching would be an option but I can't imagine it would be a problem... I don't think I'd need it though. There is no form of swell/rise & fall in the pedal at all, it just jumps to the setting (like turning your octave pedal on). Andy - 1 & 2 up and down, plus a number of steps each way too (1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th) etc allowing it to do proper harmony stuff. I will do video demo's for both as the next ones I record, I have quite a lot on at the mo though so I expect it to be some weeks before that happens.

Si - You could get another one or two boss sized units on that bad boy if only you'd TIDY IT UP!!!!!!

Communicate!!!!?!!?!?!!!???!?

Ah dammit!!!! :-) I couldn't find it on the forum, but I was on my iPhone using the mobile theme! Fail

Apologies if this has been posted already. I friend sent me the link today and I found it quite amusing! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQcehK0802A&feature=youtube_gdata_player Shep

1st impressions are damn good. The Pitchbox sounds fairly digital & and the 2 octave ups has an almost slight sample rate reduction thing going off, it's minor but really suits what I do so I love it. The down shift stuff sounds smooth and is mug better than I thought and the 2 octaves down is real sub like of your speakers can handle it. The harmony setting works well - it does seem the clean signal takes a slight volume drop but not that effects the overall sound. The detune feature is amazing an turns the pedal into a chorus which is actually very good and sounds to me very much like the boss bass chorus. Pretty damn versatile and will certainly be going on my small board. One of the best £45 I've ever spent. The Shim Verb is also good, thought slightly less bass friendly. The 'level' knob is really a blend from clean to wet meaning as you move away from the far left you start to remove bass to ad in reverb rather than layering it on top. With the level around 10:30-11 the effect is usable though you do drop a little volume. The 3 reverb types are good and sound very nice. The actual tonal control from the colour knob is pretty excellent as well. The shimmer setting has a semi-harmony style thing going on adding a high drone harmony to the reverb - sounds like big synth pad stuff going off. For that setting alone it was worth it. Good stuff!

[quote name='EskimoBassist' timestamp='1337632756' post='1663294'] Another great read, cheers. I've been thinking about getting some kind of dual series looper made as a smaller substitute for my WOBO. I think Max is the man for the job! [/quote] Cheers dudes!! For that kind of pedal I would think that Max is certainly the man for the job! Thanks or reading guys...

[quote name='lxxwj' timestamp='1337595660' post='1662364'] Whenever I see a post in this thread I know it's gonna be something good.. Thanks for posting this Shep, I really like the sound of that burninator in the demo, sounds like a more natural mammoth. [/quote] Cheers dude! If I recall correctly that Burninator came up for sale on here not long ago! Seriously cool pedal. If anyone reads any of these interviews and enjoys them then please share the link on facebook etc - I really appreciate it and every extra reader can turn into an extra subscriber! :-)

Time for another interview. This time it is the pedal genius that is Max Greco of sfx sound. PLEASE BE AWARE - MY WEBSITE IS NOW CLOSED. THE INTERVIEWS CAN NOW BE FOUND HERE -> [url="http://simonpoulton.tumblr.com/sheponbass"]http://simonpoulton.....com/sheponbass[/url] Max is becoming a household name around these parts and some of his designs and solutions to musicians problems are really astounding. I was really keen to get Max to do one of these little interviews as he has helped me by designing gear for my needs and I consider him to be in the elite of pedal builders. Thankfully, he said yes! Enjoy! Shep

Nothing reported (other than this) and it's not a process I am aware of as being part of the forums software. There is a 'Capcha' box to be completed when signing up as a new member but as for the other stuff - never seen or heard of it before. I'll report it to the tech boys!

Parcel arrived from Mooer direct today - Speedy as hell - was sent on Thursday. very impressed. Customs had been all over it as it did look like a brick of Narcotics: [IMG]http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/pantherairsoft/Amp%20Cab%20Pedals/748d718a.jpg[/IMG] Pretty cool little things, boxed nice with a little sticker: [IMG]http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/pantherairsoft/Amp%20Cab%20Pedals/f98ee896.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/pantherairsoft/Amp%20Cab%20Pedals/71b0184a.jpg[/IMG] Pedals them selves seem well made - the foot switches feel a little stiff like they could do with a little lube and the lower lip of the pedal is a little rough - but given the cost of these items they are fairly moot points: [IMG]http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/pantherairsoft/Amp%20Cab%20Pedals/e1f43602.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/pantherairsoft/Amp%20Cab%20Pedals/982efdd9.jpg[/IMG] Will be a couple of days before I can report back on the sound quality...

Really dig the mini board dude!

[quote name='0175westwood29' timestamp='1337423338' post='1659651'] Or if you've got a fair bit of money, theres the eventide pitchfactor? That can do 3rds 4th and 5ths above below aswell as all the standard octave stuff. Shep has one so im sure he'll be up for talking about it?! [/quote] The Pitchfactor is a beast for this - up for down 2 octaves and you can use every step of the ladder... And in one mode you have 4 voices at once! That setting of the pedal is basically a more versatile version of the Whammy range (though the unit does soooooo much more in other settings). It does cost a bomb though and I likely far more than you need. The POG's as mentioned already are surprisingly good for the money at the Octave up thing.

[quote name='simwells' timestamp='1337369315' post='1659018'] The LPF is already acounted for [/quote] What he said

[quote name='jonnpip' timestamp='1337150142' post='1656112'] intresting set up..3005 roscoe with tc electronic 2x10 2x12 750 rebelhead in kettering northants [/quote] Very pretty!

[quote name='cheddatom' timestamp='1337337877' post='1658334'] you're getting rid of the Moog LPF?!? I thought that was the essential pedal for dubstep? I find it far too difficult to sell pedals. I always think "I might need that sound" 'cos I do a lot of recording. [/quote] It's being replaced by a custom Iron Ether Xerograph LPF which is being made CV enabled to work with the MP-201. It will basically be an LPF with envelope feature of the Moog removed (as I don't use it) and a few extra tweaks... But ye, an LPF is essential for the music I play.