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[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1502966924' post='3354694'] I find it both amusing and instructive to see the differing attitudes of folks to the notion of change. Some with a hyper-conservative attitude ('It wouldn't be the same...'), others welcoming the fresh approach brought by a relative stranger to the affair. No judgement here; both are legitimate, and perfectly respectable, but interesting just the same to imagine the differing personalities behind these reactions, highlighting the vast diversity of BC, and, to an extent, the population in general. A gold mine for the psychologists among us..! Just sayin'. [/quote] I think it's an experience and comfort thing rather than strictly a personality thing. The more bands you play in, the more different musicians you play with, the more often you step out of your comfort zone and it just becomes easier to do. I played in a band where the drummer was adamant we'd never get deps in as it wouldn't work. When the Guitarist couldn't make a fairly big gig at short notice I said let's get a dep. The drummer threw a hissy fit and said it would be terrible, he won't play with a dep, pulled out and said to cancel the gig. So we bought in a dep drummer as well. The gig actually went better than usual.

I have a dep gig on Saturday. I've done a few dep gigs in my time, some gigs where no member of the band has met before. A few weeks ago I stood in for one number for a bit of fun. I've had deps stand in for gigs in bands I've been in. I've played all night as a house bassist at jam sessions. I've depped in originals bands. It's just a different mindset. There's a lot of very precious people out there who believe they can't be replaced. You just need to make sure your band and the dep have the ability to be flexible. Some bands can only play songs exactly as they've rehearsed and exactly as per the recording. They have no ability to cover when things get a bit loose.

Yes. Normally you'd get a dep in but depends on what your band does (cover standards or complicated originals) and by the sounds of it the Guitarist doesn't really know what he is doing so it's a car crash in the making. If you're trying to get a band off the ground, car crashes are something you want to avoid.

I'd be looking for a new band. Neither of the other two seem to have a clue about being in or running a band.

Ok. It's actually more simple than it first appears. You subtract the interval from 9 and major becomes minor and vice versa. Thanks for that. No wonder I always get confused going down intervals (although it's very rare that it's called) E.g. Down a m2 is up a Maj7 Down a Maj2 is up a m7 Down a m3 is up a Maj6. Down a Maj3 is up a m6 Etc Is that right?

[quote name='The Jaywalker' timestamp='1502794655' post='3353555'] Totally incorrect. Intervals and scale degrees are separate entities and function both "up and down" in music. An interval is the distance between 2 notes - in either direction. C to E is a major 3rd. Thats up 4 semitones. To go down a major 3rd we go down 4 semitones to Ab. Minor 3rd is 3 semitones so up to Eb and down to A, respectively. When it gets confusing for folks is when we talk about going between notes in different octaves: C up to E is a major 3rd interval and the 3rd degree of the scale/chord (assuming we're in Cmajor etc); C down to E is still the 3rd of the chord/scale, but the interval is a minor 6th. So "down a 3rd" means up a 3rd and down an octave. No 5th involved. Also, VERY important to clarify whether the instruction is to go down a major or minor third. Lots of rock/pop stuff isnt strictly diatonic in terms of the chords often being A5 D5 type of vibe, so a diatonic guess might be off and chances are a juicy Ab bass note might not sit too well with an A5 powerchord... Ears open as well! [/quote] Sorry a 6th. I disagree that down a major 3rd from C can be down to Ab. That makes no sense as there are no flats in the key of C. But this is where it gets confusing. You are going down a 6th to the 3rd. Which is odd as there are only 8 notes in an octave. .

I'm not sure what happens when someone asks you to play down a 3rd. That would take a bit of mental gymnasitics as usually the degree of the scale is going up. Effectively down a 3rd means up a 5th and down an octave or more properly they should be saying "Down to the 5th". Intervals are usually up, not down. Also don't be tempted to play Maj3 or m3 notes as part of a chord along with the root on a bass. Unless you're playing well up the register it'll just sound like mud.

[quote name='drTStingray' timestamp='1502756965' post='3353350'] ludicrously compressed music being acceptable through digital media and becoming the norm, ... Rant over - I do like the idea of the A in PA meaning address rather than amplifier!! [/quote] File compression and audio compression are not the same thing. The A has always meant Address.

[quote name='spectoremg' timestamp='1502693656' post='3352830'] Fair points StingrayPete and Dad. The trouble is that most people think amplify means much louder! The misinformed genie is out of the bottle. [/quote] Amplify does mean make louder or bigger. The A in PA stands for Address. Public Address.

[quote name='PaulWarning' timestamp='1502388295' post='3351174'] I've got extended warranty from Gear4music, contacted them and they said send it back but it cost £10 and I haven't got the original packaging, wanted to find out if it was worth a punt before I did that, my thinking was that Fender wouldn't replace speakers just say I had abused it, can you post a link to that thread please? [/quote] Just get it in writing that they'll change the speaker. I doubt they'd be sending it to Fender to do if it's their own warranty.

Thanks. That's a great watch. More innocent times.

Are you all watching on PCs or something? It's not available to me.

First one has gone...

[quote name='mikel' timestamp='1502272772' post='3350332'] Ehh? Surely if the BD is loud enough for any room, then its loud enough. You seem to be suggesting that micing it up will make it quieter????? Surely if its loud enough to be heard in the room, any eq you add to it will not overpower the acoustic sound out front, so will be a waste of time. Just saying. [/quote] 'Can be' The point is if you're loud enough to be heard at the back of the room, it's pretty much going to be too loud on stage. So you play to the stage volume and mic up for front of house. .

Personally I think everyone should vacate the stage at least 5 minutes before you start, having already tuned up etc. Preferably earlier, as soon as they're happy that their gear is ready to go. Go to the loo, get stage gear on, get drink or whatever. Then all return at the same time, together, a couple of minutes before your scheduled start time. That should give a clear indication to the audience that something is about to happen. Having musicians wandering about the stage endlessly twidling, standing around and sliding into an indeterminate start doesn't give off the right impression. .

Do you mean everyone is outside or at the bar and you want to get them to the front of the stage before you start your set proper?

It's all down to compromise like any relationship. You'll have a natural leader who needs to be able to take into consideration other people's views. A band is essentially a team. You don't have to be mates, you just have to work well with each other while performing and practicing and have good communication skills. It works both ways, people aren't mind readers, sometimes you have to spell things out when they're not working as expected.

Brilliant. I think the Ford Granada estate and the Volvo estate where the transport of choice for Bass players with 8x10"s in the 80s.

Pub gigs tend to be a gentlemens agreement which works both ways. If your singer is ill on the day, you phone and cancel. If it's a wedding gig, with a proper contract and a few grand at stake, you phone your first call dep.

Should have held it at an angle.

[quote name='EliasMooseblaster' timestamp='1502118370' post='3349402'] Now that sounds like an interesting one* - do tell? [size=3]*unless the punchline is, "it was a tribute band"![/size] [/quote] We knew an arts student. Fantastic at poetry and drawing abstract art but very shy. He used to write the 'poetry' and sing it to the guirtarist who transcribed what he sang, brought it to us and we filled in the gaps.

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1502114665' post='3349370'] Why is it presumed anyone in a covers band can only play covers? [/quote] It's the internet Pete. There's only one way, the right way, my way, everyone else is wrong. I've been in many originals bands and as I've said before there's too many bands trying to be too original and sacrificing melody, lyrics and form just to be seen as different. I'll hasten to add, in all the originals bands I've been in I only fitted a bass line to melody and lyrics that someone else has written. I've even been in a band where the guy doing the writing wasn't even in the band!

Wow. Stick that infront of your class D and Bareface and it's back to 80s slap heaven... ... or not...

Learn your scales.

[quote name='The59Sound' timestamp='1502010156' post='3348696'] Yet the pub name isn't being bought up still. [/quote] What would that achieve? Have you read the rest of the thread at all?