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[quote name='MoJ' post='14976' date='Jun 10 2007, 10:57 AM']Oh, and how dare you make me choose between tuna and pepperoni? Both just as tastey IMO... [/quote]

Now this is one subject where I must put my foot down Andy.

Fresh tuna cooked so that it is still pink in the middle I love, tinned tuna in a sarnie with fresh pepper is fine BUT sorry, if we are talking pizza there is no debate 'tuna is wrong'!

Don't worry about it Andy, I don't feel like I'm attacking anyone or being attacked.

I have a view on the subject which is based on my attempts at improving the sound that I get through the process known as bi-amping; using manufacturers dedicated bi-amp equipped amps and with pre/power set-ups (H&K Fortress & Peavey DPC amp makes for quite a portable set-up). Alex has a view based upon his work with bi-amping, which due to his perseverance suits 'his' musical style (both genre and playing style). Neither of us can be wrong because it is a matter of taste. You may as well ask, which is better Fender or Warwick, 10"/12"/15" drivers, Eminence or B&C, Carlsberg or Fosters, Tuna or Pepperoni!

Of course I could be wrong about this and there might be a definitive answer... who gives a sh*t?

[quote name='alexclaber' post='14866' date='Jun 10 2007, 12:20 AM']In which case it remains irrelevant as we're not talking about readily available cabs!
Well that's a start.
This is a specific question for a specific requirement, not something that has to be all things to all people.
I'm sorry but what are you wittering on about?
And does this not hold true for any powerful rig? The rig I'm suggesting is of similar size and power to your Tech 610. Whether it is biamped or not is immaterial.



Since when did one member of the band having good equipment mean that everyone else's less nice equipment sounds bad?! What has this to do with biamping anyway?
I'd have thought many of your previous rigs would have been fine for many of us - why did you change?



Or there maybe newbie bassists thinking they need really expensive gear and wasting time researching that...
I totally agree.

Alex[/quote]
I'm so glad you [b]totally[/b] agree!

[quote name='alexclaber' post='14673' date='Jun 9 2007, 04:08 PM']I don't think your opinion on biamping is actually very relevant because although you've tried it a number of times you've never tried it with cabs that are designed for it! Furthermore I don't think Dood has really studied the PA system for bass thing - he's thought about it and gone with standard bass cabs again...


Alex[/quote]

My view on bi-amping is as relevant as anyone else who has run an amp that has bi-amp capability and cabs that are readily available on the market today.

I do fully accept your point that it [b]will[/b] be different with a custom pre/power dedicated cab(s) set-up. I still however have reservations about the benefits of such a rig for the majority of gigging bassists! If you are using decent PA support then you need to feed a full range signal to that and then it is dependent upon the PA as to how good the bi/tri-amp facility is. So you are left with your rig acting as a monitor in which case best hope that the stage or area you set-up on is of sufficient area to get the benefit. If the bi-amp rig you run is to be the FOH sound that is to be heard by the public then I hope the rest of the bands equipment is up to the standard that yours is!

I'm not trying to argue anyone out of trying bi-amping just because it didn't do it for me, far from it. I'm simply pointing out that a full range signal into one or 2 way cabs is absolutely fine for many of us; there may well be newbie bassists who read this thread and think that they have to start worrying about the benefits and pitfalls of bi-amping, when really they should be spending more time studying song craft or their instruments potential.

For a sector of the bass playing fraternity the issue of sound reinforcement is a valid and important issue and I 'know' that manufacturers are giving us short shrift with equipment, so long may we discuss how to achieve the holy grail of tone, maybe then good practise will creep into the equipment that we buy off the shop floor.

£80 for a new bass!

It has to be a no-brainer from the level of comments from people who have bought the HB stuff.

Do you have the 'cash' available?

By that I mean will this be purchased out-right from savings or will it be on credit. If it is the former I'd ask another question... after buying it do you have sufficient funds left to see you through 'at least' 1 month (food, travel, rent etc.). If the answer is yes again then I'd get it

However if this is going to be on the never-never or completely clean your savings out then I'd wait until you fulfil my other criteria.

Just a 'mature' guys view on this BUT saying that I'm a mature guy who started with nothing but now has a nice collection of equipment (Warwicks, yum), a car, motorbike, house and some nice creature comforts! Sticking to my own personal philosophy (which others may or may not agree with) of 'if I ain't got the money I ain't getting it' then I've got to where I am now with no debt (other than 11 years left on a mortgage ) and nothing that I own is on credit.

Don't step on that greasy slope of debt at an early age (if ever)!

[quote name='BeLow' post='14504' date='Jun 9 2007, 08:06 AM']I have to admit to not having followed every twist of this thread so I apologise if I missed anything and have repeated it.

Why would you bi-amp?[/quote]

I alluded to this earlier on in the thread. I've tried it and didn't like but that is my opinion... fine.

However, more importantly you are effectively going down the route that Dood has studied which is a PA system for bass! Does your present or near future requirements necessitate this kind of set-up? If not, for the kind of money you will end up spending you could build some of BFM's cabs (for a modular rig) and get a top quality full range head.

[quote name='paul, the' post='14452' date='Jun 9 2007, 12:46 AM']That makes quite the difference. You'll be making twice the amount as I did at 16 and buying gear at half the price.

[b]I personally think that amount of work at that age is ridiculous - if you're not used to it and it's laborious, it might make you ill.[/b]
My advice is to do a different, less monotonous sounding job. Work 4 or five days (30-40 hours a week) and get the gear that you [i]need[/i]. You'll still build character, make friends, earn respect and have something nice on your resume. Then give yourself a little treat at the end with a bass or amp upgrade.

paul.[/quote]

I've been biting my tongue but here's where I'm going to show my age and get a few backs up!

This is not direct a pop directed at you Paul but at something that is becoming increasingly more commonplace (or at least to my eye) in our country today.

One line in your response appears to be a damning indictment of today's work ethic and to some degree the 'youth of today' (never thought I'd hear myself say that).

Yes I went through a similar experience when I was young and I jacked a well earned job in to go out with my mates but it wasn't because I couldn't cope with 10 hour shifts, 6 days a week... I was more interested in having fun with my mates - booze, birds and bass. Unfortunately I was 200 miles away from my mates and all of the BBB! When I came home I got a job working as a roofing labourer (seasonal work where you didn't work through the winter months so you had to put the hours in when you could to build up your funds for the 'lay-off') and every one of my mates (16-19) had jobs that involved working not less than 9 hours and often shift work and weekends... it was the norm'; you just did it. We still had time to party/gig/socialise/lay about

Don't talk to me about children up chimneys and down mines, that isn't what I am talking about. I mean straight forward hard graft for 8-12 hours a day, 5/6 days a week.

However, it now appears that to work long unsociable hours is bordering on heresy. I would fight tooth and nail for everyone to have the right to a good work/life balance but to be scared in your late teens and early twenties that working long hours, in a potentially laborious job might make you ill...

Is it just me or is it becoming increasingly apparent that putting in an honest days graft is just too much for many people?

Let's keep things in perspective guys (and gals). Remind me why Interparcel is great and PF is cr*p?

I've sent or received a few basses and more than one or 2 amps and cabs via PF (senditnow) and not had a single complaint, as have various other through this thread.

All courier services are going to have the odd idiots who will get a kick (no pun intended) out of knocking a box or parcel about, but before the whole Royal Mail / Parcel Force / Sendit now company is tarred as being totally unreliable and generally sh*tty, do you know the alternatives are so great? You also have to consider what is the percentage of parcels handled to those damaged? Yes there may be one or two more examples of damaged packages with PF but what percentage of the total volume of parcels sent do they handle.

Until someone posts (sic) an alternative, reliable courier who will stand up and be counted as carrying fragile/valuable instruments, then do not declare any one courier better or worse than the rest.

No I do not work for PF, nor does anyone I know but it's a bit knee jerk to slate one courier above all others.

I'm caught on the horns of a dilemma with giving you advice on this, as I faced something almost identical 27 years ago!

At 17 I took a job as a glorified Tea-Boy working on a Power Station refurb', working away from home, living in digs. I still lived at home (non-work time) and I was earning as much as my dad, though he was supporting 5 kids (8 in total if you inc' the ones from a previous marriage) and a mortgage (2 actually as he had to pay toward his first wife's). You can guess how p*ssed my parents were when I threw in the towel because I wanted to come home and go out with my mates!

If I was answering your call for advice back then I'd have been screaming 'stuff the job, sneak into pubs and drinking snakebite whilst tapping as much tottie as possible'. However, my mature (I wouldn't say sensible) older head would now say, take the job graft hard for a summer and think of what you could do with the money! If you are serious about being in a band and making it, that money will pay for your rig (whatever that may be) and possibly a demo/PA/driving lessons etc etc.

Aside from the legal implications of working at that age (and you tend to find employees can 'opt out' of most legislation), I have to say that is a damn fine wage, as much as I earn(ed) as a fully qualified state school teacher with a BA degree!

Take the job, bank the money and see what is around the corner.

IMHO getting a cab by a different manufacturer or a different speaker size etc. probably means a compromise on your EQing, as I doubt the two cabs would require identical EQ settings in various situations. Go with doubling up what you have especially if you like the tone already.

Yes at £750 it looks a nice piece of wood that appears to be well looked after. There is another for £50 more (see below). If he'll let you view/collect I'd have a gander then point out to him that if he'll accept a private sale @ £720 he'll still be making more than if someone buys it off eBay (final value fees 3% + PayPal fees of 3.5% = approx £40 in fees).

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WARWICK-STREAMER-STAGE-1-BASS-MEC-ACTIVE-PICKUPS_W0QQitemZ180127939636QQihZ008QQcategoryZ4713QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WARWICK-STREAMER-STA...1QQcmdZViewItem[/url]

[quote name='The Funk' post='12909' date='Jun 6 2007, 10:38 AM']You nicked a desk from your old school? Wicked.[/quote]

Believe it or not a local school were paying for a skip to take all of the old, solid wood desks away. They even had to pay the caretaker overtime to smash them all up with a hammer!

I'd certainly try before you buy with regard to bi-amping as I've tried it numerous times over the years and I've 'never' been satisfied with the results.

Tried it with the stand alone heads (GK 800rb) to preamps and separate power, with a variety of cabs (2x10 & 1x15 to 4x10 & 2x15 and all combinations in between), none ever did it for me as they all lacked something in the range that the crossover was set.

I believe that Bill, Alex and various knowledgeable bodies were able to explain why this was but the upshot was still that I disliked the sound of bi-amping with typical bass cabs. That isn't to say that specifically designed cabs wouldn't do a better job but if it were me I'd want to give it a try before I built or bought cabs. If the intention is to use this rig on a large stage with a quality PA you do have to ask yourself what's the point? The PA will be doing all the bi/tri-amping you require. If we are talking pub/club gig... will you or the audience get the true benefit?

Simply an opinion and observation!

I borrowed WoT's Schroeder cab and I was impressed by the fact that it could be heard as clearly at 3' as it would at 30'. Not sure if this is an attribute of the midrange peak/hump but it still appeared to have a very full fat sound, not boxy at all! I was impressed enough to consider buying one over the Tech 6x10 that I went for.

[quote name='MB1' post='11554' date='Jun 3 2007, 09:05 PM']MB1.

"And she looked at me with those big brown eyes,and said"????????????????
MB1.[/quote]

... who you lookin' at? You some kind of perv? 'You ain't seen nothing yet', go on f*ck off!

[quote name='MB1' post='11554' date='Jun 3 2007, 09:05 PM']MB1.

"And she looked at me with those big brown eyes,and said"????????????????
MB1.[/quote]

Lola L-o-l-a lola lo-lo-lo-lo lola

6 feet away I'm looking at 139.9db

You do have to consider that these readings are probably calculated at your amp maxxed out, which it never is!

Walkin' on Sunshine - Katrina & the Waves. 3 chord, summer party classic, played with loads of enthusiasm!

[quote name='Crazykiwi' post='11291' date='Jun 3 2007, 07:35 AM']You could always ask Alex if they'd match the Bass Centre's price?[/quote]

+1 for that!

Before I purchased my MB heads I shopped about and The Gallery said they would match The BC price absolutely no qualms...

I informed The BC of this and they said they'd undercut The Gallery, Oh what a jolly time we had trying to get to a final price!

1950 / 60s Child's school desk, twin lids. Loads of names scratched into the top (well you did when you were at school in my day), suit child under 11/12 or as a Hall table etc.

Collection from Blyth, Northumberland

Like it says!

Obviously collection only from Blyth, Northumberland

[quote name='Oxblood' post='10751' date='Jun 1 2007, 08:05 PM']Spoke to him on the phone for the first time today, to finalise arrangements for my visit tomorrow. He sounded hale and hearty. As to his absence hereabouts, we can only guess. Maybe he's just too darn busy right now.[/quote]

His insight and wisdom is missed, get him told to pull his finger out and get registered

[quote name='Oxblood' post='8185' date='May 28 2007, 05:29 PM']I hope so - I'm hoping to visit Alex next weekend, and so far the BT PM system is our only means of contact to make arrangements![/quote]

How is Alex and why hasn't he come over to the dark side?

[quote name='Gizmo' post='10692' date='Jun 1 2007, 06:26 PM']Marked on the calendar

So glad to see the back of the life cafe

i look forward to a list of performers

some ppl id love to see on the list this year are

matt garrison
mr manring
vic
stu hamm
brian bromberg
alain caron
Hadrien Feraud
Seth Horan
adriano campagnani
Norm Stockton
Ray Riendeau
Yves Carbonne
Dominique Di Piazza
tony grey

to name but a few im sure i could think of a few more if i really sat and thought about it

laters
gizmo[/quote]

Hey I did well I recognised 4 names on your list

How out of touch am I?