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[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1506087303' post='3376398'] It's a bit of a confusing reply. If I come across someone being mugged or raped I'm sure I would make a bit of noise or at least call the police. I'm not totally sure those activities are even in the same league. Having a word with someone who is getting a bit rowdy is a different ball game to confronting a rapist or a mugger. I've had to have words with people at gigs. Usually they look guilty and say sorry. If you don't nip it in the bud they get more and more rowdy and end up pulling your gear over. I'm not a big guy but I've spoken to people on the train whose actions have been making people feel uncomfortable and they've apologised and calmed down. There are ways of approaching people that are non-confrontational and there are ways of escaping situations when they start to become confrontational. [/quote] Ah, I might see where the confusion is. When I say I'd avoid the risky situation I was not referring to the act of reprimanding the person making the lewd remarks, or trying to assist if someone is being attacked; I think basic human instinct to help would kick in there, especially if someone was being attacked. I certainly hope that I would dive in to help (I've never been tested in that respect). To be perfectly honest, to my own detriment, I don't know if I'd intervene if it was just lewd remarks as I wouldn't see it as being any danger to anybody (just a bit offensive) - depends on how lewd they were I suppose. I was referring to the act of the potential victim putting themselves into risky situations in the first place. i.e. the hypothetical act of walking down the street with money hanging out of pockets or, back to the original post subject, dancing on the stage in an alluring manner if you'd be upset by lewd remarks. These things should not happen and are not acceptable but,[i] as the potential target/victim[/i], you can either wait for society to change and take the risk in the meantime, or you can take immediately effective action and avoid the potentially dangerous or upsetting scenario. Hence my original comment on this thread that if you're going to be upset by lewd comments then being a stage dancer (in a rough end establishment) seems to be a strange career choice. Hope this makes my position clear (though I suspect it hasn't).

[quote name='mcnach' timestamp='1506067242' post='3376179'] I hope they don't take your advice, or nothing will ever change. Things don't change by themselves. Someone changes them. [/quote] Hence the first sentence of my reply to TimR.

I've bought CameronJ's Yamaha THR10, as it seems to have the right features, size in particular, at the right price. I'll report back on how it performs with a bass. Twas a close run thing against a Roland micro-cube bass. Just a general query on the micro-cube. I've never seen or heard one in the flesh, so to speak, but what would be the advantage of four 3" speakers over say one 6". I know it has two amps and is Stereo, but then what would you use stereo for with bass and on an amp of that size?

You're being very leftist here. You should be saying 'Plucking hand', or some lefties (can I say that even?) may be offended!

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1505991499' post='3375681'] Well, not quite. There's not a lot I can do about all the rapes and muggings in the world that are going on. I can have a word with the idiot standing next to me at a show there and then and maybe make them think twice next time. I'm fairly sure I shouldn't have to wait until all the rapes and muggings have been stopped first before I approach him. [/quote] Tim, I have never said we shouldn't try to change this behaviour, and pointing the error of their ways to an idiot standing next to you is a good thing, and needs to be done. Let me know when you have stood next to all the lewd comment shouters, rapists and muggers in the world, and I'll the venture out naked with wads of cash in every orifice. Until then however I'll continue to avoid, or at least not aggravate, what seem risky or unpleasant situations and I'd advise others to to the same.

[quote name='Daz39' timestamp='1505939327' post='3375415'] To clarify then: by saying the victims need to be more responsible, you are tacitly accepting this behaviour is unavoidable. [/quote] I'm saying that the world is not as perfect as we would like, and that this sort of behaviour happens. It's not right, just as mugging and rape and a million other things are not right, but it happens all the same. To a certain extent, in the world as it currently is, then these sort of behaviours will continue. Maybe in twenty or thirty years time things will be better, but in the mean time people who feel that they may be victims of any of the above can take their own action and, if possible, avoid the risky situation. To be honest there are far worse things going on in the world (e.g. Rape and Mugging) than one sex shouting lewd comments at the other sex, and (to my mind) these need to be addressed first. You've got to play with the cards you have, not the cards you wish you had.

Just to say it one more time:[b] I am NOT saying that this behaviour is acceptable. [/b]

I am not blaming the 'victim'. I am saying that one - anyone - should avoid situations that they know to be risky, unless they're happy with that risk. For example I decided against going to North Korea to photograph military installations for my holidays this year. In an ideal world it wouldn't be necessary.

[quote name='Daz39' timestamp='1505853609' post='3374838'] Because you're victim blaming and normalising the continuation of these attitudes. [/quote] So if I packed my pockets with notes and walked through a rough part of town and got mugged, there wouldn't be a small part of you that thought "stupid twat, what did he think was going to happen?"? If you can honestly say no, then you have my admiration.

By the way, I'm not defending this type of behaviour. I would be pretty annoyed to see it going on myself. I just query why people put themselves in that situation when they are upset by it.

[quote name='Skol303' timestamp='1505824845' post='3374564'] You're placing the responsibility for socially acceptable behaviour on the dancers and not the audience. That's your fundamental mistake, if you don't mind me saying. It's the responsibility of the audience - of society in general - to behave itself. Lewd comments are, by definition, lewd: [i]"crude and offensive in a sexual way."[/i] The wrongness in this situation starts and ends there. [/quote] I don't mind you saying, but I disagree with you. See my response above.

[quote name='mcnach' timestamp='1505817626' post='3374477'] If you become a prostitute, it would not be strange that some day you come across a customer who is a little rough or even violent in some way. It goes with the territory. It doesn't make it right 'though. Does it? And again... the objection is not about being 'ogled'... This thread is depressing with some of the attitudes on display and justifications being made. [/quote] No it doesn't make it right, but if you know that sort of thing is likely to happen why not choose another career? Similarly if you join the army you can't really complain if someone starts shooting at you, if you're a coal miner then you're going to get dirty. If a dancer of a certain kind dress up in provocative clothes and gyrate about then it is generally done for a specific reason, which is to stimulate the opposite (or same) sex. If you're not happy with that then find something else to do. In an ideal world we would all be able to walk around with rolls of cash sticking out of every pocket and have no fear of being mugged. You could still still do it and complain every time you're mugged, and wait for the world to change, or you could simply be a bit more discreet.

[quote name='phil.c60' timestamp='1505632374' post='3373194'] Have you seen the THR10 that's popped up this morning in the for sale section? And no, it'snot mine or anyone's I know! [/quote] No I haven't and can't seem to find it !

[quote name='leschirons' timestamp='1505731225' post='3373783'] Where are you going in France? If it's near me, I'll lend you a little combo. [/quote] A very generous offer. I'll be down in the Pont De Gard area.

[quote name='bluejay' timestamp='1505718072' post='3373671'] You're going off topic. What we are talking about here is whether it's acceptable for dancers, or other performers, to be harassed for the way they look while they work, despite having no choice in the matter. The answer is no, and there's absolutely no need to mention the F-word (Feminist), as the problem isn't confined to female performers. [/quote] However, if someone has strong objections to being ogled or having lewd comments made, then becoming a dancer where they have to wear what they're told would seem to be a strange career choice. As with lots of these things there is always the option to say no.

I thought that Ebony fell under Cites restrictions, but what that means in terms of selling stuff within the EU I have no idea.

Didn't we have a thread recently about female audience members ogling, even 'stalking', male band members? Is that OK?

[quote name='TheGreek' timestamp='1505483104' post='3372282'] Check on ebay for a cheap combo, use it then sell it to a local shop/bar when you're ready to leave? [/quote] It might actually end up bieng left in the flat/house as it belongs to a family member.

Mmmm AER Amp one : Looks a brilliant bit of key, but still a bit big and heavy. Tempting at a mere £1400 though! - I might go for two! . Ashdown 8 x ?? : looks good - could probably pack all my clothes, bass and probaly my wife inside that. Fender Rumble 15 : Good price but still a bit big & heavy. Micro Cube : Getting more like it size wise (probably just on the limit), Lots of features, (possibly too many). Blackstar Fly 3 : Very cheap and [b]tiny[/b], but not convinced how it would sound. Very basic controls. Possibly gone too far down the small route?. Does anyone have any experience of these?? Still open to further suggestions

[quote name='Paul S' timestamp='1505470589' post='3372122'] I can only imagine how cross I would be turning up at my holiday let flat only to find the couple in the flat next door are playing bass and saxophone. [/quote] Calling it a flat was probably doing it a dis-service. It's actually more of a house, effectivley detached on one side, and about 400 years old with solid stone walls. If it was a modern holiday type flat then I'd totally agree with you. MInd you - I can understand people objecting to the saxophone, but surely not the bass?

I'm off for a holiday in France in a month or so, going on the train and stopping in a flat. Thought I'd take a bass with me and a small combo (so I can play along with my good lady on Saxophone). Don't need anything very powerful, but something that sounds OK. Basic tone controls will suffice. Anyone got any suggestions as to what might suit, bearing in mind that I'll also have a bag of clothes & stuff (and a bass) to carry. Cheap is also good! Thanks in advance for any ideas.

[quote name='Hellzero' timestamp='1505118657' post='3369512'] Alfasud's weren't real Alfa's and, man, you must be old, even older than me... ;-) What about AER amps, are these the Rolls Royce of amps ? [/quote] But they did have the wonderful horizontally opposed engine.

If the weight of a bass, which after all is not very much, is causing you problems then I suspect that the problem is more to do with posture than with the weight of the bass. (IMHO of course) Ah - beaten to it by a a few hours.

Saw him at the Robin 2 a few years ago. Brilliant still had it all.