PaulWarning

[quote name='Wiggybass' timestamp='1349267267' post='1823977'] Hmmm...sorry, simply not true. This is physics and its principles govern all things regardless of marketing. Let's look beyond crappy, frequency-limited backline and into proper audio systems, like a big modern PA designed to deliver full-range audio to large crowds. In all modern systems the full frequency range is divided electronically into bands, usually four - HF, high-mid, low-mid and LF. HF is always produced by 1" or 2" compression drivers, the mids are usually tens or twelves and the LF is almost always some arrangement of EIGHTEEN inch drivers in ENORMOUS cabinets. Now, if all speakers could reproduce low frequencies with the same enthusiasm, why go to all this trouble? The answer, of course, is that they don't - they physically can't. The longer the wavelength you're looking to reproduce, the larger the device has to be. At 100Hz (the open G on a concert-tuned bass is 98Hz), the physical wavelength at sea level and 20 degC is 3.4 [i]metres[/i]. Yes, tens will do that but not with the same efficiency of a fifteen of equivalent performance and sensitivity. This of course all based on a one-speaker to one-speaker comparison. The practical issue comes down to how much cardboard moves in and out when you play, and thus how much air is physically displaced and then picked up by our lugholes. A 4x10 against a single 15 with the same amp power will be louder because it's moving more air but in frequency response terms it will not reproduce low frequencies as efficiently. Which incidentally explains why you're quite right about a 4x10 drowning out a single 15 - for those to balance in terms of physical loudness the 4x10 would have to be turned down a bit. As for variances between venues, again it depends. Reflex cabs are much more reactive to their surroundings than close or front-ported cabs, that alone would make a lot more difference than the size of drivers they contain. But surely that's what the EQ is for? [/quote] bloody hell, don't really understand that, but I do know when I connect my 15" speaker to my 2 x 10" combo it's got more grunt

went for £506.50 plus a hefty £43.50 postage, someone got a bargain, I was tempted myself but being a P man I'd have been buying it because it's cheap not because I wanted it

of course it could be that DR think they can get away with charging more in the UK, in which case I'm glad I'm doing them out of extra profit

you'll never be satisfied until you've owned one and lived with it for a while, you may then decide you've wasted your money (if you buy a second hand one you might even not lose anything at all) but you'll never know if you don't get one and that's what eats away at you

[quote name='ikay' timestamp='1349109642' post='1821955'] Yes the OP was lucky! In addition to 20% VAT and duty the Royal Mail also add an £8 handling fee for everything that goes through their VAT/duty collection process. I've been nobbled by this on fairly small purchases from the USA a couple of times recently so they are watching out for this sort of thing. [/quote] even with VAT and Royal Mail fees on they're still only £35, only £2 more than the cheapest UK price I could find, so maybe it's worth the risk.

maybe at this point I should say I'm not necessarily having a go at the shop, although if they can give discount just when somebody asks maybe they should be reviewing their business model, how many people look at the price ticket and just walk out?, the system from top to bottom seems a bit wrong to me.

so why isn't everything half price from the states? Why should I have to ask for a discount? it wasn't arab market stall I bought them from, if the shop could sell them cheaper and still make a profit that should be the price on the ticket

I bought some DR neon pink strings (they match my strap quite nicely) on impulse from Brighton when we had a gig down there, cost me £40, when I decided to buy another set thought I'd shop around, got them for £21.66 including postage, from the states off ebay and they arrived in a week, is it any wonder music shops are closing down? I don't mind paying a couple of quid extra to support them but we're talking nearly half price here, ridiculous.

yep, and a 4th and an octive and maybe a flattened 7th, maybe wrong on that one though

I find anything out of the pentatonic scale works, basically go up a sting or 2, and play the same fret or 2 higher, does that make sense? some muso will probably tell me I'm talking bollocks but it seems to work for me

[quote name='pst62' timestamp='1348127025' post='1809535'] IMO having no headstock makes a bass look ugly, 9 times out of 10 it has an ugly body to match it's headlessness anyway. [/quote] +1 to that, also having the strap so short the bass finishes up looking like a bib

[quote name='Donnyboy' timestamp='1347098194' post='1796884'] great stuff watched it with a couple of largeV&T's as a post gig wind - down. What's the story with Fergal , not being involved 'n' stuff? [/quote] for some reason Fergal's a bitter man, one clue in the doc was when one of them said he was never part of the gang and he hadn't got any mates ( I think that's right) obviousley a difficult character, almost every bands got one.

cheers, I saw them at Bearded theory a couple of years ago, they still rock, the poor old Waterboys had to follow them on, they didn't stand a chance

[quote name='SteveK' timestamp='1346890471' post='1794653'] I'd probably classify that as, 'Punky covers band with a few of our own thrown in for good measure' Not really confusing! That's how a great many bands evolve/have evolved. [/quote]

[quote name='SteveK' timestamp='1346848763' post='1793970'] Some posters here seem to be confusing the whole "Covers Band" "Tribute Band" thing. [/quote] Think we've already opened that can of worms, a very grey area, just to confuse things even more the band I'm in do mostly punky covers but probably do one of our own tunes about every 3rd song, don't know how you would classify that, but it gets us gigs in pubs we wouldn't normally get one.

[quote name='steve-soar' timestamp='1346840752' post='1793815'] Somebody, anybody, please close this thread, it is beyond boring. [/quote] nobody is forcing you to read it, just like nobody is forcing anybody to go and see a tribute band or an originals band, lets just be thankful that we have the choice to do what we want.

[quote name='Spike Vincent' timestamp='1346833388' post='1793676'] ,I hate playing live.Put me in a studio any day. [/quote] Ah, right, now I know where you're coming from

I'm guessing here but there's probably very few members of a tribute or covers bands that didn't start of with the dream of making it big by writing there own material, after years of playing to 1 man and his dog in some flea bitten hell hole they realise they've missed the being in the right place at the right time boat, so because we all love playing live music to an apreciative audience we start playing the songs of their hero's. As far as I'm concerned there's still no better buzz than leaving the stage with the cries of more ringing in my ears, yes, some might accuse us of selling out but it's a lot of fun.

I suppose the bottom line is that the majority of people want to hear something they're familiar with when they go to a gig, this is why originals only bands have such a hard time

[quote name='Spike Vincent' timestamp='1346763649' post='1792809'] No personal disrespect intended,but this shocks me. [/quote] I'm surprised it shocks you, have you never been to a gig when the band says" this is a song from our new album" everybody buggers off to the bar?

[quote name='Spike Vincent' timestamp='1346762417' post='1792771'] Nope. [/quote] fair enough then, wouldn't do for us all to be the same, personally I don't like listening to bands doing a set of stuff I've never heard before

[quote name='Spike Vincent' timestamp='1346761289' post='1792748'] I still don't get it. Why would anyone want to see a band/act pretending to be someone else? [/quote] do you not enjoy watching a band doing a well played cover version then? a tribute is just one step up from that

in my book a tribute is where they make an good effort to look like the original, if they just play the songs they're just a covers band, once saw a band billed as a stones 'tribute', made no effort to look like them and spent half the set doing other artisits sixties covers, glad I didn't pay to get in, what a con

probably get slagged off for saying this, but, I would rather go and see a good tribute playing in the local pub, free admission decent beer nice and dry, than pay £100 to stand in a wet cold field or a massive arena with crap sound , with about 50000 other people watching the original thing from about half a mile back. I agree with a couple of posts on here, the secret is not to take youself to serously, saw a stones tribute once and 'Brian Jones' came on wearing angels wings, brilliant

haven't got a clue, anybody know where it comes from? perhaps I'll start another thread asking