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If this was a language translation issue, that's fine but I was addressing exactly what you wrote even if that's not what you thought you wrote. When this kind of thing comes up, and you are using a translation app, recognize that it's possible that your translation is not accurate and when questioned about what you have posted, consider that you could have made the mistake and be respectful in your follow-up responses. I deal with the international community every day, I am very careful how I write responses and how it's possible that they might be mis-interpreted and rarely encounter disrespectful responses unless there is more to the story that I am unaware of. Have a good day.

Yes, that's always his option as well.

I was just responding to YOUR post where you SAID you would share them... did I misunderstand what you wrote?

You are always welcome to disagree with me, but you can probably do so a little more respectfully IMO.

You might have a different perspective on this if you have had your designs appropriated from confidential documentation that was passed on to a competitor against your will. I have, it took money out of my pocket and the companies that produced those products. This may explain our different perspectives. Most modern designs are pretty difficult to reverse engineer without spending considerable effort and cost of doing so. Documentation reduces this cost to do so. Many companies do not release documentation for this reason alone.

Even if the information is not yours to share?

Not quite, unless I read it wrong...

Almost. The power of a square wave is equal to the RMS power of a sine wave and 1/2 the power (.707 x the voltage) of the peak power of a sine wave. Peak power is defined for a sine wave at 2x the RMS power, and when Trace advertised 500 watts peak power, that's exactly the same as 250 watts RMS. It has nothing to do with burst power (which has an entirely different definition and applied primarily to broad band signals). Power RMS is equivalent to the area under the voltage curve x the current curve, and when integrated over time becomes energy.

Yes, for the most part that is incorrect. There may be a trivial difference at very low frequencies due to filter cap time recharge constants, but it will be less than 1/2dB at 30Hz on a properly designed amp and often much better. Note that meters can be inaccurate at very low frequencies, which why special meters are used for broad band audio measurements.

Not necessarily. I'm still measuring the same way today as I did in the 1970's and every product I have designed uses power based on RMS metrics and states THD. For MI applications, especially where the distortion harmonics components may be integrated into the signal in both the preamp and power amp, I have standardized on 10% because after a lot of test player contributed their perceptions, 10% was pretty much the sweet spot where most players liked both the tone and texture. The most common numbers I see for bass amps range from about 5% to 20%, depending on the application. For guitar amps intended to be overdriven as part of their native tone, 10% to 30% is more common. Of course, the amps must be tested and safety certified under these conditions if being honest. For pro audio, the numbers are different of course, and as powers increase the duty cycle factors into the equation. This is most common at very high powered pro audio amps, where after a second or two, the limiting algorithms fold the power back to about 1/2 the rated power and in big powered speakers, the HPF may shift upwards and the crossover points may also shift along with the limiting thresholds. This was all started with Meyer, Renkus Heinz, Apogee and later with JBL, etc. This has allowed maximum performance with minimum damage and warranty claims.

or lost...

Agreed, a false sense of security

Actually, the damage to the older gear tended to be more catastrophic if it falls the same way. Broken parts, bent sheet metal and such is not uncommon when an amp takes a fall, usually the lighter weight gear is easier to repair in that regard. It used to be common for a fall to break the transformer mounting screw(s), causing the transformer to cause collateral damage to whatever initially survived.

Why not a simple splitter Y cable?

Steve1250 - If you are still having issues with your D-800, message me and I will help you get it sorted out. Be sure to let me know where you are located so I get you accurate info.

Or how many (because one is never enough) 😄

Why can a 50W guitar amp sound as loud as a 500 watt bass amp (into appropriate speakers)? 1. Hearing is much more sensitive at guitar frequencies than bass frequencies 2. Guitar speakers are generally significantly more sensitive at guitar frequencies, than bass speakers are at bass frequencies, often by a factor of 10dB 3. Guitar amps are often driven into distortion, which increases the effective compression and average power density. 4. Guitar speakers tend to beam more because of the frequencies (including harmonics) that they are reproducing, this increases the on-axis volume.

Not by industry convention you aren’t.

Understood, though the assumption that Behringer and TC are using similar power modules (actually, the power amp and power supply are an integral part of the main board) isn't accurate. The power supplies/power amps are very different, though they both share a similar ambiguity (creativity) with regards to the way they rate their output power. I was referring specifically to those who quote power off of a power module data sheet, without understanding the depths of what they are looking at. There is a ton of critical data between the lines of the data sheet, in fact that's what my US patent is based on with regards to some specific technology applications with a couple of lines of older ICEPower parts. We received this patent while working with directly the ICEPower engineering team on some of these off-sheet attributes, and these basic concepts got incorporated into the newer series power modules. This is what allowed us (Genz Benz) to do what everybody said could not be done, and we did it with higher reliability than those who used the modules within the limitations of the data sheets too. All Shuttle, ShuttleMax and Streamliner amps use various portions of that patented technology, them the patent was acquired by Fender and was theirs to use as well.

Your understandings and conclusions based on how you are reading the specs from the data sheets is flawed.

Don’t go poking around creating new problems. Surrey Amps is fully qualified to service your amp correctly, I can work with them directly to solve the problem. If you create new problems, the cost is sure to go up,

Both of these are possibilities, not terribly common but possible.

Solid state amps don’t have to sound nasty beyond 1% THD, those that do haven’t designed around this parameter. Some tube amps clip very similarly to some solid state amps. Some us different than all.

Is the amp quiet without the pedalboard, bass straight into the amp? Where are you located? What is your power source? there is also a possibility that there is a ground loop between the amp and pedalboard, or even a single pedal on the board.

You just might be misunderstanding how power amps are rated and specified however, therefore your generalization inaccuracy.