Bean9seventy

2 minutes ago, Ricky 4000 said:

 

heaven 17 ,, yes people i knew knew that band ,, those guys were into steve strange ,,

soul boys who wanted more ,, ABC were too bubble gum ,, 

true, heaven 17 band may have had an early bass player , who i would be told of if i didn't know ,,  yes its possible i know of the bass player / herd of ,,

but again if the bass player was not in our circle , then no ,, its tight ,, thanks 

1 minute ago, lowdown said:

 

 The Olympic Runners were a decent (mid 70's onwards) UK Disco band. They had a bit of success State side as well.

Delisle Harper was a good Bassist. He did a bit with Gonzalez (and a few others).

He was also a good arranger as well. Although composed by 'Biddu', Delisle arranged the Strings and Brass on this Film track theme (as well as playing Bass).

Delisle and his Drummer sidekick, Glen LeFleur, were quite an demand studio session team during the 70's.

 

 

 

 

yeah ,, we knew the band a bit ,, i mean i was on stage with them so (not as a bass player),, everything in brit funk was happening , Heatwave AWB ,, few others guiding a pot of younger unsigned bassists & co who became brit funk ,, i was one of those bass 5 or 6 players as mentioned in an earlier post,

2 minutes ago, Ricky 4000 said:

I'm not that keen. More like 10 - 20 years for me.

Did you know - Penthouse and Pavement (with the amazing John Wilson on bass),  came out before Level 42's first album.

nothing here ,, unless i hear the song perhaps see images ,, tell me about them ??

On 03/04/2021 at 17:21, Doddy said:

What the hell are you on about dude?

Calling Jaco a failed disco player, and bringing Janek in to it for no reason? Both these guys are killer players and irrelevant to your discussion. Just because their influences and styles are more from the Jazz world doesn't mean you should talk about them in a derogatory way in a thread about slap bass. 

As far as I'm concerned you've just invalidated your own discussion.

find me the jaco studio 54 tune ,,, ?? good question ,, the failed disco player is our nick name for jaco lol ,,  i am sure there are others you guys find more fitting ; D

you get a guy who is a good fighter you call him , lil shy boy

you get a guy 6ft 8 ,, you call him little john

you get jaco,,, you call him the beginner bass player lol failed , useless ,, lol 

20 hours ago, Ricky 4000 said:

Or, it takes 10 years to learn to do it. 👍

no not really if you are keen just a few mont

20 hours ago, drTStingray said:

You're right - I saw him with Hillage (may have been Gong) - prog with a groove funk bass player - fabulous!! Very hippy also. 

@Bean9seventy is quite right that this style of playing influenced very widely - even pure show biz orchestras started to have funk bass players - you were as likely to hear it on The Two Ronnies as anywhere else!

Ive said this before here, but if you turned up to an audition in the early 80s (unless it was punk or maybe ska), if you couldn't slap you'd probably not get the job 😬

But to quote Marcus Miller in his interview with @Silvia Bluejay and @Happy Jack in those days you needed to be able to hold down a groove as well if not better than the next guy to get the job - perhaps doesn't seem to be as important these days 🤔

the topic matter ,, all we say is ,,  disco bass went viral , & then they all found out about larry graham

as for marcus miller ? he don't feature much in this blog as stated earlier ,, the main man for the 1st round of UK funk bass players circa 1976 was Robert Pops Popswell ,, marcus had yet to be discovered ,, before level 42 before marcus 

6 hours ago, fleabag said:

Bean,,,  is,,,  English ,,, your ,,, first ,,, language ,,,,,,,  ????????

Asking,,,, for,,,,a,,,, friend,,,,

is ,, my language ,, 1st ,, engligh ~~ nah ,, i used to be posh in the 1970s ,, until i got into drum programming means you could probably map my text & earn money ,, converting it to a type beat ,, sorry about it guys ,, such is drum machines 

21 hours ago, drTStingray said:

Now then, @Bean9seventy if you think I'm too hippy and non-street (though I will admit to having played slap bass in the street at least once or twice) you'll definitely think these two Brits were far too hippy (they certainly had long hair) but Neil Murray, in his pre Whitesnake days with one of the Canterbury sound bands with Dave Stewart, played a whole section of slap bass on a recorded piece, and I saw Alan Spenner play a sort of slap bass short solo with Kokomo..... Alan Gorrie also played some with the Average White Band (but he is Scottish.....) 😏 - more so in the 80s though (for instance Sweet and Sour; Into the Night).  

I agree with you regarding Larry Graham - his slap bass was not really that well known until Graham Central Station. 

larry graham was not as well known in the 1970s as the colleges & teachers have their pupils to believe ,,

tho after 1980 & 1990 graham was rightly known , thanks to disco going viral , thanks 

oh & yes AWB & (their bass players) were in the frame that much i can tell you ,, possibly The Real Thing , 1976 -1978 ,, pro bands gave "some" support to the upper moving brit funk bands ,, again thanks

8 hours ago, Rich said:

Cow Bell too loud ?

13 minutes ago, Cosmo Valdemar said:

That solo!

A lot of Nobody's Fools was heading toward the funkier end as well.

the exception to the rule proves the point , wow ,, never made it to the dance floor ,,

my only reply is,,  i did sit in with a rock bass player ,, the set up of of strings was tremendous ,, never seen a set up like it before nor since ,, & he new his stuff ,, there are players like that ,, slades bass went all the way trough ,, thanks

peter barnes was no slouch

1 hour ago, Vin Venal said:

I'm not really into slap bass. I think the only slap player I like to listen to is Les Claypool, and he does something pretty different with it.

No offence to all the slappers out there, but I sort of think it's the bass equivalent of hair metal shredders on guitar...

I literally just bought a Sire Marcus Miller bass though. Lol. I might have to put a sticker on the headstock or summat. 😅

good for you

4 hours ago, Rich said:

Yes, but what you fail to realise is that Janek mumble mumble something, whereas Jaco long sentence with lots of unexplained,,,,, commas. I hope that's clarified things. 

Paul Tubbs Williams ,, by the 1980s every wine bar wanted fusion

25 minutes ago, Stub Mandrel said:

It's not unusual behaviour for some people- they start a topic with a good idea of how they will respond to some predictable replies.

actually ,, i was getting a bit of stick on you tube over the same topic of larry graham finally getting credit post 1980 ,, not as well known as folks think in the 70s ,, & disco the moment bass went viral 

i have been in bass chat circles for a while ,, including meeting the hosts ,, i think they know i am not up to tricks ,,

i am a funky Street Bass player , since 1978 , before level 42 ,, thanks

1 minute ago, Stub Mandrel said:

Even Slade were recording slap in 1970, it was old hat by 78.

disco was bigger than Slade ,, for 3 short years ,, & Bass rather than Noddy led the way ,

tho it would be nice to hear slade doing 70s jazz funk

14 minutes ago, Bean9seventy said:

Janek Gwizdala will call larry graham as an inspiration ,, so what about any UK larry grahams ? who is the UKs larry graham or louis johnson or bootsy or james brown ??

surly we had some in the 1970s man ? ,, what about those very 1st gigs in the uk ""all about bass"" , before level42 ,, before people knew about jaco ,, jaco ?/ was into world music before disco Guys  ,, lol

our nick name for jaco lol ,, is LOL " the failed disco bass player " , ,:D  ok ? dig that

why >> because no one bother book jaco for a disco tune ,lol ,,

thread pt3 find me a jaco disco song played in studio 54 lol

,lol before people knew it was jaco on bass ,,

ps i nominate "" Paul Tubbs Williams "" even tho he may not be the 1st as The Uks answer to Larry Graham ,, 

 BLADE RUNNER THE TRUTH

just to let bass chat guys know ,, i know mike edmonds ,, he knows i will never say a bad thing to jaco ,, it took a while before disco & got jaco ,, jaco got disco , great example right here

1 minute ago, Bean9seventy said:

the Janek Gwizdala crew of bass players & coffee drinkers see the history of bass in a different way , which is another reason why i am doing this thread ,,

larry graham invented it ,, bootsy tried to spread it ,, but , it wasn't until a euro type pop disco tune went mega viral ,,, that  everybody wanted to do it ,, BASS

we have been nodding our heads ever since ,,

yes the guys in demark st saw us both rambling,, Janek Gwizdala met someone who had played funk from beyond 1978

,, i stood my ground & said roughly "Paul Tubbs Williams" is who you should respect not a bag of big names who mean a hill of beans to no one

, i was certain in this encounter he never knew even who tubbsy was let alone the relevance ,, thanks

Janek Gwizdala will call larry graham as an inspiration ,, so what about any UK larry grahams ? who is the UKs larry graham or louis johnson or bootsy or james brown ??

surly we had some in the 1970s man ? ,, what about those very 1st gigs in the uk ""all about bass"" , before level42 ,, before people knew about jaco ,, jaco ?/ was into world music before disco Guys  ,, lol

our nick name for jaco lol ,, is LOL " the failed disco bass player " , ,:D  ok ? dig that

why >> because no one bother book jaco for a disco tune ,lol ,,

thread pt3 find me a jaco disco song played in studio 54 lol

,lol before people knew it was jaco on bass ,,

ps i nominate "" Paul Tubbs Williams "" even tho he may not be the 1st as The Uks answer to Larry Graham ,, 

 BLADE RUNNER THE TRUTH

3 minutes ago, Rich said:

Not quite sure how fits into this, seeing as he wasn't even born until 1978...

the Janek Gwizdala crew of bass players & coffee drinkers see the history of bass in a different way , which is another reason why i am doing this thread ,,

larry graham invented it ,, bootsy tried to spread it ,, but , it wasn't until a euro type pop disco tune went mega viral ,,, that  everybody wanted to do it ,, BASS

we have been nodding our heads ever since ,,

yes the guys in demark st saw us both rambling,, Janek Gwizdala met someone who had played funk from beyond 1978

,, i stood my ground & said roughly "Paul Tubbs Williams" is who you should respect not a bag of big names who mean a hill of beans to no one

, i was certain in this encounter he never knew even who tubbsy was let alone the relevance ,, thanks

6 minutes ago, Bean9seventy said:

find the movie footage is the topic ,, else we might get someone with notes from Plato saying he plucked the notes out of the air ,, 1632 the earliest yarn so far , thanks ,

if Janek Gwizdala & co bassists reads this ,, yes i met the guy in Denmark St ,, tho at the time i never knew it was him ,,

if Disco went even more viral than it did ,, the royal family would have been "air slapping" level 42 bass on the balcony on weddings & party's etc ,,

bear minimum doing the travolta disco pose : D  

disco gave Bass to the world ,,& only then did they realize it was a band many mainly knew too ,, similar to stevie wonder ,, Sly & the family Stone , it was their bass player who 1st did it a guy called larry graham ,,

11 minutes ago, prowla said:

It's difficult to tell if Fred Thomas played thumb/slap back in the day, but he certainly did later on.

find the movie footage is the topic ,, else we might get someone with notes from Plato saying he plucked the notes out of the air ,, 1632 the earliest yarn so far , thanks ,

1 minute ago, prowla said:

On the prog side, though known as a pick player, Chris Squire had a percussive technique where he'd hit the note a second time with the edge of his thumb.

Not exactly funkaholic, but a sideline to the development.

Chris Squire great bass player ,,, because i do not have much money,  i never go in shops & pull their best Rickenbacker off the shelf ,, he always springs to mind if i do ,

my own customized Bootsy Rickenbacker as always been on my fantasy wish list , thanks

3 minutes ago, prowla said:

Nah - Proggers were post- hippies.

Certainly jazz-rock (Bruford, Stanley Clark, Weather Report, Colosseum II, Chic Corea, Alphonso Johnson) was pretty far from being hippy stuff and some of it spanned into funk & disco.

call it the "" Janek Gwizdala Syndrome "" yes there was a circuit of hippys ,,, rough name not exact ,, who in many ways were for running "world music" 

then one day disco went mega viral ,, world wide ,, the disco explosion changed everything & its shining star was ??     BASS   ??

Janek Gwizdala & those guys never seem to get the "viral ness" of disco ,, Funk Jazz quickly became Jazz Funk & made Fusion, the stuff Gwizdala plays wine bar music by the 1980s 

1 minute ago, prowla said:

Aye - maybe omitted in the OP, but actually is at least as relevant as the guitar link there; based on that, I'd say that the funkers merely reinterpreted what already existed.

Since the guitar angle is allowed, though, it could simply be inferred to be interpretations of Flamenco guitar playing.

slap bass on upright was bop n jazz as clearly explained in you recent post ,, thanks 

think funk bass as we know it, leans towards delta blues ,, mid west picking ,, hendrix , you know ?? john lee hooker ,, muddy walters that rabbit hole ,, the street ,, the farm house etc

9 minutes ago, lowdown said:

 

I can't wait...

probably go into chat about method

1 minute ago, prowla said:

Hippies were 60s - long gone by the mid-70s.

1970s hippies ? probably over shadowed by glam rock & counting, obviously heavy rock , think 70s hippy's were into progressive rock plus ,

1 hour ago, prowla said:

Hippy?

That's a generation out!

1970s was weird dude ,, funk is a street thing , big city thing , hippy's were nice people they liked it funky man

1 hour ago, prowla said:

However, as far as earliest goes, here's something from 1954.

 

insane as the movie when Charlie Parker ran on stage trying to storm the band ,,, ??

how a simple new york be bop turn around turned into "southern be bop" , aka rock n roll & eventually pop music ?? ,, that happened probably faster than  larry graham did to disco music ,, ;D

many reasons why double bass jazz was omitted ,, yet contribution accepted ,, thanks