Bean9seventy

26 minutes ago, NikNik said:

This you, baby?

i have no recollection of 1982 bar a football match

54 minutes ago, Doddy said:

I didn't say that Marcus was a household name in '78 (or even now). What I'm saying is that his session career was well underway at that point, so wasn't unknown around the NY studio scene. I don't think it's fair to say he'd be unknown if it wasn't for a couple of guys in the London scene.

M8 ? 1978, in the UK LONNIE LISTON SMITH was a band DJs gave out to their fans as wild cards on white promo labels ,, there was no talk about marcus miller , until the great threshold of 1980

22 minutes ago, drTStingray said:

Yes Return to Forever was still considered jazz rock in the mid 70s - but pieces like Sorceress were pure funk. I saw the Jeff Lorber band at Pizza Express Soho, about five years ago - what a fabulous gig (and on a par with the Fatback Band at Ronnie Scott’s, NYE I think 2019 - just pre Covid). 

we do noy buy "return to forever" or the missuagusghoo orcrester ,, thats college talk ,, their way of trying to steal the crown ,, it was born on the dance floors

thanks tho

14 minutes ago, Doddy said:

To be fair, by '78 Marcus was already making a name for himself by touring and recording with people like Bobbi Humphrey and Lenny White, so I'm not sure that's all strictly true.

Really ? just be cause you see the name it will not mean they were household names

in 1978 no one knew who marcus miller was in the UK ok ?,, It was Lonny Liston Smith ok ? Checkmate ,

do not listen to college stories, myths, gentryfied tales  

4 minutes ago, Newfoundfreedom said:

I was watching a documentary on YouTube last night about people trying for years to crack the Cicada 3301 code. 

 

This thread kind of reminds me of that. 

 

 

i might as well be a time traveller since few people were even born in the 70s

the IBM they talk about was from 1975 ? ,, which is a year before 1976,  a big year in america because it was exactly 200 years old, 1776 - 1976 CMOS U.S

So windows 11 wants a new TPC & also change the Bios from "Legacy" to E1 / ?

jOHN tALL bUTT

4 hours ago, Hellzero said:

 @Bean9seventy : If you could type, because you are not writing at all, some clear well structured sentences, it would be very helpful as there is some really useful information in the coded messages.

 

Deciphering these chaotic amount of words is quite tiring, even if it's interesting.

 

Make an effort, be concise, precise and structured, which should be the case as you program drum lines, but doesn't seem that obvious.

 

There's always a before for everything in the universe, but something can become a catalyst and Mark King was one of those, clearly using his jazz rock, that was not yet called fusion, roots and adding a very personal drumming style slap that was and still is really different from whatever you can hear when it comes to slap.

 

That said his fingerstyle playing is really terrific too and too many people seem to forget it.

 

He also knows Indian music a lot.

 

If you were there at the beginning, as you seem to tell us, you certainly know that there was no singing intended, but that it was the triggering factor that really launched Level 42 and Mark King.

 

Mark King also didn't know that the Gould brothers were excellent lyricists, but that's another story.

jazz rock that was not yet called fusion ,, jeff lorber ?

Paul Trouble Anderson

UK funk & everything it envelopes was born on the dance floors , not in a college, 

28 minutes ago, lowdown said:

 

Probably importing cheap Instruments from the far east as well....and doing it the Chinese Way.

29 minutes ago, lowdown said:

 

Probably importing cheap Instruments from the far east as well....and doing it the Chinese Way.

very difficult for the shop , ASB rate outside its doors was one of the highest in the UK ,

so bad i often joke it was great the crack heads won the drugs war against the ilegal meths heads, who at times ? well guys , not great , Demark st is not the same ,, its an empty shell

21 hours ago, Ricky 4000 said:

Interesting. I thought MK lived on the IOW, and he and the rest of the band were learning their trade on the holiday camp circuit over there, before they made it to the big time.

 

So I suppose MK worked in Macari's before all that...?

no ,, & i am not telling the story ,, i just explain the outline 

13 hours ago, drTStingray said:

Really? And yeah - having been asked to play a couple of Santana bass lines from the mid 70s he played some very tricky stuff - I found it quite difficult to play some of it tbh.

 

I misunderstood Bean9Seventys posts thinking it was Pops Popwell…… to be fair it does sound similar, presumably because of the playing style and use of a Precision. 

popswell was the guy with the tone, "everything else happened after that ,, even marcus miller was an unknown in 78 ,,

if i was not for chris hill, froggy, robbie vincent , etc  marcus miller would still be an unknown today basically 

6 minutes ago, hiram.k.hackenbacker said:

It’s just the usual incomprehensible twaddle from the OP.

I can only think that these topics are actually brought about by sporadic moments of comparative lucidity.

The Santana album/track is 70’s by the skin of it’s teeth by which time King, Lindup and the Gould brothers were surely together.

"Santana" was together in woodstock ,, i knew i would get this question,

the only bass player at the time ,, not word n mouth , was Robert Popswell

that is the sound & tone everyone wants in 1978 ,,

Runin by Santana is simply a "weapon nice" popswell joint ,, yet, it pre dates level42 

And, it was a tune (geek) floating around at the time, the LP even has a Jaco type tune Classic tune the main song , check it out

all those who do not know whats going on , least you got somewhere to type

Macaris leaving Demark st is big , the shop is linked to Level 42 ,, we have our own story on both the band & the shop

3rd time in this blog now,, "the topic "also" includes some of the early UK funk bassists "not" having Fender Basses at all " soz ?

UK, no one really knew about those basses until Stanley Clarke did a work shop shown on bbc2 ,, remember, i did also state very few early brit funk players had a fender bass

i never said why , checkmate ,

1 minute ago, Bean9seventy said:

 

1st Alembic bass on view in UK was in Macaris ? Stanley Clarke ?

Demark Street was bigger in terms of "how many shops" there were, 

it was also the most expensive bass on offer @ the time @ £1k ? tho i am sure they went for much less,

 

tryed it, very well made, heavy ,fine tuning "double octave ,< very important for brit funk bassists back then,

just for prospective, very few funk bassists if anyone, had a Fender at that time   

no, its important i remind people UK funk bass playing started on the street ,, in discos & clubs ,not at college , it was "not all about getting that wicked pro solo ,, it was all about getting a wicked dance track, Paul Trouble Anderson style

as a Dancer of note , i was not really bothered with the band stuff, until i saw slap ,, it was key to the disco sound, thus i started bass

the story is as important as when a pro basssts talks about larry graham,*

how UK disco became a bellweather that had enough "street cred" to create the scene & helped to spread funk pop with bass worldwide, at that "pop level

yes , Level 42 did end up winning the battle of the basses & growing out of that chris hill type party crowd, & got big

was a tough pill to take, losing out  yet always knew, an element "they used came through Us from "the sorce,* so all was not lost

1980 ? i immediately learned all level42 songs & including singing with bass when possible ,, thus we could "stay in the bands wheel

:D eg my job via The brothers of funk days was to chase stuff like that down fast too

mark king btw then went in so hard with singing & bass on future LPs he broke free ,,

but by then i for one was no longer interested with getting it together as a Pop Band,

stopped taking it serious, in 1983

Level42, Before Level 42, 42 years ago, >

Hi Tension > the brothers of funk* > bootsy > louis johnson > larry graham

3 hours ago, Grimalkin said:

Ah yes, I remember it well. Mark overcharged me for a bass in 1976. I later bumped into him in the off-licence. "Mark, you overcharged me for that bass" I said. "Only a bit" said Mark, "you wouldn't deprive a man of his snout and cider would you?"

 

I let it go.

2 hours ago, Cosmo Valdemar said:

An Alembic Mark King signature bass?

1st Alembic bass on view in UK was in Macaris ? Stanley Clarke ?

Demark Street was bigger in terms of "how many shops" there were, 

it was also the most expensive bass on offer @ the time @ £1k ? tho i am sure they went for much less,

tryed it, very well made, heavy ,fine tuning "double octave ,< very important for brit funk bassists back then,

just for prospective, very few funk bassists if anyone, had a Fender at that time   

1 minute ago, Hellzero said:

Urm, why is it credited to ... Santana ?

its a tune that was floating around Before level42 came out ,, 

weaponised Robert Popswell, ;D

sportsmans bet Macaris is turned into a food outlet featuring coffee ,

just memory cells now, 

remember this bass being never seen before unless you went to Macaris,

After running an earlier Blog on early UK funk bass players ,

a we return to the subject again ,

The shop chain Mark King worked for "Macaris" has finally closed it doors

in Demark Street,

as stated before, we were the guys who used to jam in those shops at that time

meaning Mark King got into bass plus, including seeing guys like myself

The reason for this new post strange as it is, was "just 1 track" i have not heard for many years

it quite simply its Level 42 before Level 42 ,,

please tell us about Demark St in the 1970s & if you wish were there

On 24/12/2021 at 13:59, tauzero said:

 

Spalted, you mean? 😁

it will either max out early ,, Like an Encore Bass or Over Max badly

soz yeah

coustom built perfect wood pro bass is great , plank of wood with 4 strings also great,

music is like science ,, everything matters & nothing matters at the same time 

9 hours ago, Hellzero said:

Wonderful, at least a readable text. Thanks."/[{\]}|~`™

Encore Bass , less "revs"than a Ford Escort, & because it maxes out sooner than later , with a wide fret board, you get this cheap wood sound ,, that rather works well when you need dry slappy funky tone ,

13 minutes ago, Grimalkin said:

 

https://acoustics.org/pressroom/httpdocs/137th/fleischer.html

 

Looking at the physics of mass and vibration, I'd say the neck has quite a part to play in character. Not that much vibration happening with the body.

woodtone is as important as spliting hairs for those who go as far as dividing dandruff,

so yeah, you got the time money & patience to work out what is best woodtone/other material for you, well done

dose it matter ? probably, if you buy an expensive "all perfect" pro bass that doesn't sound & play well , it could be the wood / other saturating harmonic material its built with ,, 

2 hours ago, SumOne said:

Johnny Osbourne, truth and rights. 

 

Wheeel up! 

 

 

18 hours ago, Bean9seventy said:

only a few guys left who can call themselves rebbles

Breaking news ,,, Scotts Bass Lessons has created a free metronome kit with free drum loops

initially did not notice any reggae drum loops at this point

check out this video find links also in Scotts video , its pretty cool # Groove Trainer #

4 hours ago, EssentialTension said:

 

only a few guys left who can call themselves rebbles

1 minute ago, Reggaebass said:

Yeah good thanks, I’m still hitting the bass 😁 , who’s Dr Beckles 

you asked for it lol

Call Dr Beckles ,,

me going to the table tennis  room while he exam you

4 minutes ago, Reggaebass said:

Hey Bean, good to see you back, how you doing 👍

still alive guys, my in bannier almost dropped off tho, injections illnesses , shapers & in favourous everywhere , its so bad i almost phoned Dr Beckles ,,  what about yourself ?