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11 minutes ago, warwickhunt said:

 

Sadly I'm not sure I can justify £500+ for that pedal when I own gear that does 90% of what it does... if I can get the other 10% for £150.   

It’s only £500 if you are buying 2 of the DP3x pedals - chorus was an optional extra!

If you are nearly all the way there, then its all gravy, you can get a chorus effect by tuning the octave strings slightly off from whatever you tune your fundamental to

6 hours ago, warwickhunt said:

12 string bass in da house so it is time to experiment!  This set up us 'purely' to create the sounds needed for a Cheap Trick tribute but in the most manageable means possible.  I'd like to add a bit of grit to the top end, whilst retaining punch/clarity on the bottom end.  Utilising what I have (*), I'm thinking all I need is to split the signal in 2 and effect 1 of these to add a bit of grit which I can mix with a clean tone in my amp for live work, where the PA is going to have to mic my cabs.

(*) I'm aware that the Tech 21 XB essentially does what I need but I'm not sure the outlay of £500+ is justified if I already own 90% of what I need.  

 

I originally had 2 lines of thought.

 

                                 > DI out to amp front input (full range clean signal... the sound of the 12 string)

a) Bass > preamp [

                                  > effects out > Broughton (as HPF) > Zoom (OD effect to add a bit of grit) > amp rear input (attenuated)

 

a) gives me full range 12 string to amp front + high passed overdriven (not excessive) top end which is mixed via the rear attenuated input. Positives = only the top end as set by the HPF is effected with the Zoom.  Negatives = The full range signal inc all of the top end goes through the front end of the amp.

 

                                 > DI out > Broughton (as LPF) > amp front input

b) Bass > preamp [

                                  > effects out > Zoom (bit of grit) > amp rear input (attenuated)

 

b) gives me low passed signal to amp front + full range overdriven (not excessive) which is mixed via the rear attenuated input.  Positives = only the bottom end, as set by the Broughton goes to the front of the amp.  Negatives = The full range signal inc all of the bottom end goes through the Zoom and is overdriven before blending with the front end sound.

 

Typing this out has made me realise that as I turn up beyond bedroom settings, version a) was going to make more sense... however!  

 

Typing this has also made me realise I likely need to get an active crossover pedal and split the signal before sending to any other pedal/input.  The Rolls SX-21 seems to fit my criteria... any other options suggestions?  I also 'likely' would like to have a means to DI the 2 signals to a PA if mic'ing the cab(s) wasn't feasible... I see me going back to the drawing board!  LOL

 

 

 

 

 

The Tech21 DP3X pedal will give you a whole heap of crossover joy with a 12 string, throw in a MXR Bass delux Chorus which also gives you a flange option - all you need

7 hours ago, Jack said:

Don't think Romesh looks an awful lot like Wayne personally, but whatever.

You have to squint, but it’s there……😝

just picked 2 fellas with normal figures for the sake of comparison, although we all know bassists are Adonis’s 

Absolutely agree his playing is fine, it represents the vast majority of limited players like me, so you get an idea of what u may sound like.

Dont buy an item of clothing based on how David Beckham looks in it, you wanna see Romesh Ranganathan, Wayne Rooney currently etc in it - then u know what you’ll look like!

I think these sound mega and offer a lot and a lot of variability.

granted for a lot of people (esp on here) if you are happy with your set up and nothing needs changing (although we all like to tinker), something has to be ground breaking in your mind to make a whole sale change.

There will be lots of people on a first set up, or change of  journey and this will be phenomenal.

liked the bass sound, liked the PA capabilities.

great addition to the range and market place IMHO

6 hours ago, dmccombe7 said:

I was reading something on line recently about Trevor Bolder and it mentioned he had used Seymour Duncan pick ups for the last 25 yrs. It also mentioned they were even fitted to his custom Sandberg bass.

Anyone know anything about it ?

I've searched Sandberg website and don't see any mention of it and can't find any pics on line anywhere.

Dave

Wouldn’t be beyond comprehension the old TSBS bass had SD pick ups from the factory

2 minutes ago, juanbcn83 said:

If you don't want this Marlowedk give it to me, I love that model 😁

 

About the communication problems, I had the same problem. I send an enquiry about my Enigma 5 but never answered me, a little bit dissapointing.

 

 

There is a queue!!!

@tegs07 spot on as usual

@scrumpymike decent insights for sure 

@sandbergmarc I don’t think rules are broken, you are offering to help someone.

Happy to say I am slightly biased, but it’s based on personal and friends experiences, one of which (for a friend) involved Hölger personally replying to something and going over and above what would be expected - that won’t happen in most companies.

i am saying this with no knowledge - but a big company probably has a tech division that can sort problems mentioned - Sandberg is ‘family’.

In true appreciation thread style - here is my old Shape MarloweDK complete with dog, toy and a bit of foot…

..

@Aidan63 It’s absolutely everyone’s right to spend where they wish to spend, but as said before Sandberg are definitively not in the big company arrogance bracket - they are very much a family company with a small workforce, this I can say with great assuredness with personal comms, many stories from others and also having been out and visited the factory and spent time with the team.

Build time is of course an issue, but, it’s due to the items being quality and a small team.

Unless it’s changed the configurator is there to do that, configure a bass and then the code generated can be given to a relevant ‘dealer’ to get what you need.

I can’t help thinking that Britains relationship with Europe may be a factor in how things proceed, but also Sandberg sits in that position of not being a big manufacturer like a Fender, but not being boutique/luthier/artisan type zone. if you go back to 2015 and the Sandberg subtle shape change on their basses it was driven largely by Fender saying to retailers, if you continue to sell Sandbergs we won’t send you our basses to sell. They are also not as aggressive as Hans at Warwick.

Anyways - hope you get what you need, Sandberg will always be there and be quality.

honestly - these pick ups - chat to Jaime at The Creamery he can modify how he does them for you - there is a wait - it is worth it

29 minutes ago, TRBboy said:

I think our aural tastes are similar: those pickups in the Marlowe DK are the Alnico V ones, the same as in the TT Passive 😉👌

I too think they're absolutely fantastic

Nice to hear we are both legends!!

popped it in to try to give context as we all hear things differently.

to add to what I said on black labels I would imagine Tim Commerford loving them, but also you pop them in someone playing funk, they would also give you that Shazam.

Nowt against Delano’s, brilliant pick ups, but you just gotta use em right.

Some Sandy’s also had Haussel pick ups - now they are great, very meaty even the jazz ones - they are practically a P pick up

Hello guys!!!!!

So I may be a little out of date on pick ups as I haven’t been on it as much as I normally am.

back in my day the TSBS used to have Seymour Duncan’s in.

But as a very brief brush stroke

as a rule I find the split coil Pick up to be their weakest offering.

Delano’s are more ‘hi-fi’ for want of a better word. It doesn’t make them sterile, they have character, but if you are someone who likes pre-amps, other baked in sounds - this is a really good option - it will let that sound go through and won’t colour too much

In house Sandberg ones - well at least the old ones in my MarloweDK are more vintage sounding and really are the bees knees. It has enough punch to not be weak if you solo’s the neck pup and can approach that P sound (evidently not there tho). These will also take effects etc brilliantly, but they are a nod to yesteryear and vintage.

black labels - they were prolly designed for when the superlight bases came in as they need more oomph. Delano is a right hook/power slap to the face - Black labels are a big old gut punch - not over powering, but very punchy and if you like slap bass these will do you right.

i haven’t read all the posts, but as an aside if you want to know what my ear hears dUg Pinnick, Glenn Hughes,Billy Gould, Mike Inez, muzz skillings, Pat Badger - all have bass sounds I like

if you can hear a sound bite the Perfect P bass pick up for me is the Creamery 58P - that’s where I sit, but I do love modern stuff too!!

hope that helps!

gotta get back to work!!

Hölger is a dude

2 minutes ago, BassApprentice said:

I always think the Panther looks like a bass made to play funk and slap on.

 

Probably does everything in between nicely too.

Exactly that - it does do everything else purrrrfect as well…

Black would look good

depends on your OCD and if you mind filled in holes.

Worth contacting Sandberg as they may have old stuff knocking around?

On 06/03/2023 at 22:29, ead said:

Just acquired this beautiful pre-loved Panther Special from our own cattytown.

 

Panther is a complete sleeper bass - so good and underrated - it’s phenomenal

Also remember, the dials are sensitive, small turns each time and re-assess 

It’s as said above - if you pop it infront be prepared for noise unless you properly tweak, but of course that’s the beauty - take a preset, patch it to an empty slot and tweak to your settings and then save

some of the guitar sounds work very very well for bass

That’s a ridiculous deal

12 hours ago, Quilly said:

I appreciate they were trying to move away from the “German fender copy” tag but I still prefer the body of the old ones , but the headstock of the gen 2 look much better. 

They were forced into the change 2015 due to ‘pressure’ from Fender.

Fender realised they were making basses better than they do, and they contacted stores and retailers to say if they stocked Sandberg, Fender would no longer send their stock to that shop to sell. Being by far the most common sold bass they had to agree.

Sandberg to their credit just got on with it, changed the shape and voila - quality basses still being produced.

To look at on a stand I agree the old shape is probably better, but ergonomically the new shape slays and you get used to the look, it’s now just common place

Had a passive VS4, lovely bass, wasn’t quite there for that ‘Fender’ sound, but then again if I had popped a pick up of choice, something like the 58p from Creamery, then it prolly would be.

Again it’s your preference of sound, but the framework you get it in is immense with a Sandy 

1 hour ago, Osiris said:

The Magellan preamp is an excellent, extremely versatile but really simple to use and virtually impossible to get a bad sound from. I say that as someone who has been using the amp since 2017 and have gigged and rehearsed with it numerous times with 3 different bands, and it has never failed to deliver an excellent sound. And I can't see how this pedal won't deliver the same flexibility and sound quality. Unfortunately it lacks the fantastic drive channel of the Magellan 800 which would have been the icing on the cake for me, it's arguably the most convincing valve emulation out there rather than a typical pedal style overdrive or distortion, but Genzler currently offer two different drive pedals and they have added an adjustable HPF instead which is a more than generous trade off. 

 

Most of my gigs are using IEM's these days and while I'm happy with my current preamp pedal I'm still tempted to pick one of these up at some point. 

 

 

 

 

the man speaks the truth here, if I wasn’t so wedded to Tech21 and the Ultrabass amp, DP3X and PSA 2.0 this would be what I would get, and I would consider the consequences of an affair and messy divorce.

Great products

For all the chat about the MM pup it’s important to realise it will not sound anything like a Ray when solo’d because it’s not designed to.

It’s not in the Ray position nor is it voiced or does it have the Ray Pre-amp.

Its main purpose is to be n adjunct to the P pick up and allow you to cut through and provide clarity.

That’s what it is designed for

Tech21 DP3X is exactly what you need

The Tech21 Steve Harris is also stellar

This year they will release a Frank Bello pedal

That’s a lot of EQ and tight distortion 

If you had to go Darkglass nothing beats the AO