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I nearly puked on Shockwave's Pedullas when I saw them at a bass bash once.

[quote name='skankdelvar' timestamp='1331556429' post='1574622'] Man love [/quote] Mate, he's an American, you'll get him lynched

Hello mate. I started playing bass in the same way you did, but the bass took over, although I still have a guitar gig too. Guitar can be a quite good instrument in the right hands.

This is beautiful [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv7jdeus76Y"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv7jdeus76Y[/url]

Another thread with an objective to quantify the subjective.

[quote name='KevB' timestamp='1331554598' post='1574557'] I've just had a track sent to me by someone looking for a bass player, it's an original tune and he's played guitar, synth and bass on it with a drummer. Although it is interesting it is beginning to look uncomfortably like it might be technically beyond me which is a bit embarassing as I've not had problems in my covers bands up to now. I guess it has really rammed home to me my general averageness on the instrument. I'm raising it as one of the issues is related to Peteb and Linus27's discussion above. The drums are in 4/4 but what is being played over the top of them isn't and it varies slightly even in repeated sections. I started by 'locking in' to the drums only to find I was slowly getting further and further out with what is being played over the top of them, bit of a nightmare. Going to perservere with it though for a while yet. [/quote] Polyrhythms brother. I LOVE them.

[quote name='peteb' timestamp='1331554131' post='1574546'] OK...... I am happy to stand corrected on this point but would like to hear some recorded examples of how this works first! Certainly an unusual way of way of doing things and dunno if it would work but I would certainly like to hear what it sounds like! [/quote] [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpSMaY2XAbM"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpSMaY2XAbM[/url]

I can't see what the problem is they are trying to solve. Fret wear? Tone / Sustain? Appearance? Seems like technology for technology's sake. They also look vile and too big.

[quote name='Dave Vader' timestamp='1331547458' post='1574366'] I've never before considered myself to be anything other than brilliant. But since going unlined on my fretless last week, i am less than mediocre with my intonation up above the 9th... boo.... [/quote] It's hard innit. How the f*** do violinists manage!

[quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1331544716' post='1574307'] Interesting stuff. Just to clarify my earlier point about 'locking to the kick', I didn't mean that every kick beat had to be covered by the bass, rather that I thought the kick should be setting the pace, which the bassist then plays around. A bit like practicing to a metronome, where you can play all 'around' the click (including leaving the all important spaces) but it's the metronome driving the timing. I'm not sure about the drummer not having to set the time for the rest of the band. That's never been my experience, though that could easily be a reflection of my level of playing experience/ability. I imagine that if everyone follows everyone then it will likely only work if everyone is a very experienced and competent and can all react imperceptibly to things, but less experienced players may take longer to react causing a sort of 'hunting' around the desired beat and making the band sound rather 'loose' rather than 'tight'. But if everyone locks to the drums then a 'tight' result is more likely. But, again, I may not be expressing myself very clearly. [/quote] Boom Tish Boom Tish Boom Tish BoomBoom Tish ..

[quote name='skankdelvar' timestamp='1331505442' post='1574008'] [color=#008000][font=courier new, courier, monospace]C:\basschat\forum\thelocal\generald~\bloodyhe~\response\skankdel~\content[/font][/color] [color=#008000][font=courier new, courier, monospace]WRITE:[/font][/color] [color=#008000][font=courier new, courier, monospace]*what's your point?*[/font][/color] [color=#008000][font=courier new, courier, monospace]:ENDWRITE[/font][/color] [/quote] My point is that we now have highly evolved graphical interfaces to information. Why not use these types of interfaces for a mixing desk? There is also the point that most people don't know much at all about EQ and frequencies' characteristics. You only have to ask on here what a certain bass sounds like to get answers full of adjectives, not frequency information. Your amplifiers use these same type of descriptions for their EQs. Yes, the StageScape interface seems a bit 'dumbed down' to many of us perhaps, but that's because we are naturally disposed to acquiring specialised skills and feeling clever, and not trusting people who can only describe a sound as 'dark' when you can describe it in frequencies. Just like a 'real' musician knows note names and can read notation. But the end result is usually the same and only other musicians care about what's going on under the bonnet. Is your mobile phone a 'dumbed down' interface because you don't have to remember everyone's number anymore, just their name? I think for what I believe the target market is for StageScape, it could be revolutionary. If we open our minds a bit and not judge it harshly before we know what it's like to use or how it sounds compared to the usual physical interface desks.

[quote name='crez5150' timestamp='1331506159' post='1574035'] I disagree... Go west had some fantastic tunes, Great musicians and Great production. [/quote] Er plus lots. GW and PY were superb!

Simply awe-inspiring expression and taste .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp6uS98Mfyw

[quote name='crez5150' timestamp='1331504235' post='1573983'] I reckon this is the flagship model..... expensive.... not sure many people will buy it.... but it gets the idea of the technology out there. Then they will start to release cheaper versions and that's when the cash registers start to ring. [/quote] Quite. To the nay sayers, how do you think you navigate information now, as opposed to 15-20 years ago?

[quote name='Toddy' timestamp='1331501659' post='1573918'] FFS,,, everyone who plays in a pro band nowadays knows its the click line going to the drum stool that sets the pace !!! only saying like lol......ha,,,, its a laff init.. [/quote]

[quote name='skankdelvar' timestamp='1331498254' post='1573855'] This is all very nice, I suppose, this guff about 'space' and 'practicing' and 'sitting on the bass drum' (as if a drummer would let you sit on his bass drum ). The reality is that success comes to the bass player who observes the following golden rules: * Wave to the audience at regular intervals * [b]Wear a sparkly bass.[/b] (4-string, 5-string fretless? - what are you - some sort of geek loser?) * Get your teeth fixed and keep your weight down. No-one hires flabby bass players - just ask Jon Bon Jovi. Everything else is complete tosh. No need to thank me. [color=#ffffff].[/color] [/quote] Which is why I would advocate everyone gets a chrome bass. My bass lines are far more reflective of my personality now.

[quote name='peteb' timestamp='1331496571' post='1573828'] With respect, a lot of what you are saying is a bit 'Zen and the Art of Bass Playing' - what Jake said to you is great advice to someone who has been playing for years and with hundreds of gigs under their belt! The OP, who I assume is more of a novice, really needs to learn the bassics of how to play with a drummer to get some confidence knowing that they can really cut it in a band! I can't possibly disagree with "[i]Sing what you hear in your head, then play it on the bass",[/i] but first of all you need how to play a groove! [/quote] I agree my thoughts are more aligned to a player who has some experience.

[quote name='Johnston' timestamp='1331496379' post='1573823'] FFS Nige next you'll be saying we don't have to play in 4/4 [/quote]

I have had one bass lesson in my life, it was with Jake Newman. I only needed that single lesson. Jake made one remark that stunned me, completely floored me, and that one remark was the essence of what it meant for me to realise my musicianship. And that the most important thing you can do, before all else, is to open your ears, absorb EVERYTHING you can, and turn it into music that reflects YOU. Develop your aesthetic in other words, develop your inner VOICE, then learn how to externalise your voice in such a way that they become one and the same. The object lesson of this is to then develop the musical and technical skills you need to reflect your inner voice with as much accuracy as possible. This is what I wrote on Jake's Bass Tutors thread later .. [i]"Never having had a bass lesson ever, I had my first lesson with Jake Newman (Jakesbass on 'ere) a few hours ago. All I can say is my mind has been opened like a bloody flower! I'm no newbie to this bass biznis but blimey, has Jake taken me apart. I feel like a musician all of a sudden but with so much personal expression to learn. We talked a lot of the time and this was a massively important part of the session.[/i] [i]My most enormous f***ing lesson for tonight was: [b]Sing what you hear in your head, then play it on the bass. Jake was singing me what he heard in his head, then playing it on the bass milliseconds later. I, being the competitive sort, had a bash at the same thing, Jake told me I was singing what I was playing, not playing what I was singing. He was absolutely right. I really thought I was playing what I was singing, but I truly wasn't and I instinctively knew that. A very humbling and exciting experience.[/b] It taught me a lot about myself and a helluva lot about why I didn't feel I was expressing myself musically. I am restricted by my technique, my repetitive patterns and my lack of/mis understanding of basic theory. I have some homework and I am raring to go! I can't believe how beneficial one lesson from a real musician (one making a living at it, one who has played with such notable musicians, and who is so accomplished at personal expression through a piece of wood with strings on it.) could be."[/i] I never followed the exercises Jake gave me other than a few cursory attempts. The lesson made me realise that I have a quite well developed musical aesthetic and that what I need to do is learn how to play the music in my head. It feeds off itself and I really do feel I am developing a style and approach unique to me. If I can't play what I hear in my head, then I damn well learn how to very quickly, because then I can express myself. I can't play Jazz, or Country, or Rock n Roll, or Funk, or Afrobeat, or Reggae, or ... What I can do, most of the time, is play ME. And thankfully, the bands I'm in appreciate and like what I do because, I believe, I have an aesthetic that includes the practical and emotional needs of myself, the other musicians, and the SONG. Sorry for the self-aggrandizing rambling post.

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1331491067' post='1573689'] pet hate.. flowery drummers...!! This is '1' and there are no guesses..!! it is where it is because that is where it was determined at the beginning of the track. And I don't want the drummer bending to where he thinks everyone might be leaning, his job is to keep that track online with pulse and tempo and then you stand a chance of that groove that everyone says they want. If there is any letup from that..the groove has gone.. and you just have a rhythmic section. So back to the OP...or the point that took us to this about the guy without a kick, just play with a constant heathbeat and it will be a start. I am not sure how drums get away with not using kick drunms for very long tho...?????? [/quote] Mate, you are advising someone with little confidence to do something which may give them even less confidence. You know as little about his problem as we do, and yet you prescribe him with 'constant heartbeat' and go on to deride his drummer's use of the kick. When someone here who may be inexperienced asks for help, I believe we need to consider the level of influence they may take from what we say, get them to examine the root cause of their problems - not just give them a new set of problems, and act with a sense of responsibility to them in mind.

[quote name='WalMan' timestamp='1331491173' post='1573692'] I've not seen you at one of our gigs N [/quote] Saw it on youtube

[quote name='1SHOT1HIT' timestamp='1331492104' post='1573716'] Check you out,,,,,,,,See I think we may be onto something here [/quote]

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1331489999' post='1573665'] If they can't hold time, then you have a train wreck. There just is no excuse for it. and you can't have a groove with time all over the place. [/quote] I didn't think we were talking about the drummer's ability to keep time. I thought we were discussing the role of the drums in a band setting and that they don't have to be there to 'keep time' or 'drive the band'.

[quote name='peteb' timestamp='1331489681' post='1573655'] I give up....!! [/quote] Why? What are you trying to convince us of? In one post you say the bass should cover every kick beat, then you say there are no hard rules and that that is only the basics? I'm confused as to your message.

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1331488705' post='1573622'] If the drummer can't set the pulse or tempo then he has no use whatsover. [/quote] Again, this is nonsense. Drums can be a fluidly played set of instruments used for a variety of musical purposes beyond keeping rhythm and tempo.