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[quote name='heminder' timestamp='1363802930' post='2017948'] Was reading a thread on this earlier. Etienne Mbappe does it too to keep his strings fresh. [/quote] He sweat acid like a bitch and kills his strings in three numbers.

[quote name='bridge' timestamp='1363802797' post='2017943'] Bloody hell!, they could play Mustang Sally, over and over again at a gig, who would notice, or even care lol [/quote]

[quote name='Jacqueslemac' timestamp='1363802131' post='2017928'] Why? Unless you're miming of course! We don't pretend to be writers, just musicians. [/quote] This is interesting, is there are scale of these sorts of issues in our minds? Is miming covers the same as miming originals? Is miming a bad thing if circumstances demand it? Is [miming covers > playing highly complex originals without backing tracks] a scale? Seems miming is viewed as appalling, disgraceful, cheating. Why, since we are entertainers, is miming your own originals seen as dread (you played on the recordings and wrote the song, right?), when playing live cover material is perfectly fine? Why are we caught up in this musical worthiness trip? Is there a divide between the writers and players? I suspect from reading this thread that there's not much interest in new original material anyway, certainly that seems to be the case when looking in the recording thread, and the show us your vid threads.

[quote name='icastle' timestamp='1363801128' post='2017903'] What with the gloves and the hat you always look like you're not stopping... [/quote] That's good that is!

Always Jasmine Silk - link in my sig. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDjwLSgVhoU[/media]

[quote name='Muzz' timestamp='1363796935' post='2017827'] Y'see, you're gigging with da kidz there, Clarky...my originals band is aged 48, 49, 49 and 50. We don't look it, though. We look 60. Especially when we're loading the van at the end of the night... [/quote] I'm in the same position as Clarky in Kit's band.

[quote name='Conan' timestamp='1363796124' post='2017808'] Er.... well, I [i]thought[/i] you did - but on re-reading all 7 pages, I have to concede that you [b]didn't[/b]. So.... I might well be guilty of what you say. Bollocks. Why would I think that? I must be getting confused... [/quote] No worries man

[quote name='Low End Bee' timestamp='1363794792' post='2017785'] But wasn't Mozart churning them out to order to get paid by the Emporer bloke who was in Beetlejuice? [/quote] Well, kind of

[quote name='bassintheface' timestamp='1363794139' post='2017769'] [b]Not at all, nothing could be further from it and I haven't seen or heard your band so couldn't comment.[/b] Like I said - it's probably the old typed forum communication which is just 'black and white' and can be read either way. I just agree that I've experienced many who think they're "insert great band / singer / songwriter / performer etc here......" and they're not! I certainly don't have a problem with them, neither with covers bands in general. Naturally there's good and bad in all. I've done hundreds of gigs with some terrible originals bands, weirdly, usually in London and only a few great ones. I can can count on one hand how many of them have moved me to go and spend my money on a cd or itunes purchase. I'd jump at joining a decent originals band if it were the right style and thought it had potential. I regularly dep for some originals bands and will continue to do so. Where would we be without new music after all? In the past, and that's no good to anyone! [/quote] Yeah, I should probably put a link in my sig or something

[quote name='Clarky' timestamp='1363795087' post='2017795'] Old timers do get gigs with originals bands - I'm 49 and the rest of my band is between 26-34 years old. Age isn't the determinant of joining a good originals band. Not being a twat generally is [/quote] +1 mate.

[quote name='Conan' timestamp='1363794585' post='2017782'] I think that is the issue. It's not that people openly condemn those who play covers, it's more of a kind of incredulity that they would even consider such an unbelievable position! [/quote] I think you are creating your own problem, who's said anything like that?

[quote name='DorsetBlue' timestamp='1363794072' post='2017766'] As Howard Goodall said in his recent Music History programme, there is a considerable amount of new Classical/Orchestral music being written.....a lot of it is being written for films. [/quote] But that's film music, and the musical director will tell the composer what they want and the composer will supply it. Nothing like a composer just composing for art's sake. They can't afford to rehearse and pay for an orchestra to play their music can they.

[quote name='bassintheface' timestamp='1363793015' post='2017736'] No, that's just what came across as I was getting up to speed with the thread ........ [/quote] No worries, but it's also coming across to me that you have a bit of a problem with originals bands, in that you seem to agree that we're mostly posturing arrogant tools who can't write or perform. Anyway, there we are.

[quote name='bassintheface' timestamp='1363792338' post='2017715'] There just seemed to me to be more than a hint of an undertone from some posters that 'playing in an originals band only' and people saying they couldn't 'do' a covers band is giving them some sort of 'moral' musical superiority than those that do. Maybe, (as with many threads on here and forums in general) that it's the typing thing and that if we were to be sat chatting in a pub about the same subject, then I wouldn't have felt the same. [/quote] Oh ok, maybe you're a bit sensitive or something

[quote name='bassintheface' timestamp='1363791536' post='2017694'] It's interesting that when I play Tuba in Orchestras & brass bands, I'm essentially playing 'covers' - other people's music. The LSO do the same -do the 'originals' guys turn their noses up at that too? [/quote] Orchestras keep great classical music alive, not much new orchestral music though. Who's turning their nose up?

[quote name='KevB' timestamp='1363789867' post='2017657'] Same place it came from in the previous ten years. It just probably won't come from any of the bands that people who post on here are in. [/quote] Oof, harsh!

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1363788705' post='2017618'] You kids can count me in, too. I'm having lots of fun in my new band and looking forward to seeing where it goes. ...If anywhere! [/quote] And BRX

[quote name='longtimefred' timestamp='1363786889' post='2017574'] Im with you on this one dude, the very thought of playing covers makes me feel like i have a pube stuck in the back of my throat. I have played all original material over the rock/metal circuits for the best part of 15 years now. Yes its a slog to get heard but im my opinion, i love writing tunes as a band and wanting people to hear them, and if even 1 person gets to hear us rock out and loves it, then its worth it. That 1 person that loves it can lead you to playing infront of thousands! My old band played a crappy gig in Coventry in front of the 1 drunk local and 1 guy who just came in for a beer and the 1 guy that popped in bought a CD and from that we ended up playing at the Bloodstock Festival a few years ago because of the people he knew. i dont think the drunk guy liked us! lol. i do get why people play covers and thats fine, [b]its just i started playing as i wanted to be in a baddass rock band and to have people singing our songs and rocking out with us and to make and sell records. For me, it just doesnt get better than that! i love it.[/b] [/quote] That's it! That's the thing!

[quote name='lou24d53' timestamp='1363786258' post='2017563'] Why a covers band? Well for me, I just want to play bass and to play to people who are geniunely interested in listening to and enjoying what you are playing...and if that means I'm playing to boozed up punters rocking away to Led Zep covers or to those throwing wildly drunken shapes on the dancefloor to Stevie Wonder tunes, then so be it. I can only speak of my own experiences, but with my last two bands being guys mid-to-late 30's, getting an original material band on the road in Central Scotland was proving more frustrating and morale-busting than it was a rewarding experience. So much so, that I now personally no longer have the commitment, drive or enthusiasm to come up with original music. A number of things done it for me... When the punters blatantly aren't remotely interested in the band playing on the stage... When punters would rather come in for the advertised "after the bands" DJ, rather than actually come and listen to a night of good, original bands and material... When you're trying to start up and venues are expecting you to sell at least 25-30 tickets before they'll even consider putting you on, so you're chasing the same people to come to practically ever other gig... When "promoters" don't bother their ass doing what their role name kinda suggests they should do and you get looked upon in disgust when you turn up with a crowd that would struggle to fill a decent to mid-sized people carrier... When the fans of the other bands on the bill f*ck off after their set (or even your own fans) and don't have the common courtesy to stick around...or even worse...routinely, members of your own band... When you're asked to turn up at 6pm or earlier to soundcheck, with the promise of a 45 minute set at 9pm, only to find out you've only got a 25 minute set at 11.00pm once the aforementioned pounters have all f*cked off... Promises of "free beer" mysteriously fail to be kept... Likewise, payment from the door, even if it is only a few bucks... I could go on... That said, probably most telling of all these days for me, at 39 years old, with a 9-5 decent job and a family to support...whilst by no manner of means over the hill, I have absolutely no interest in even having an attempt at "making it" so to speak, and when the other guys in the band have completely polar opposite aspirations, it's only fair to move on and let them have their shot at glory... Don't get me wrong, although it comes across in this post, I'm not at all bitter (well, not now I'm out of it) and I do genuinely prefer the reaction and response you get from playing covers, particulary when you put your own spin and rework something your own unique way as a band. Anyway, just my tuppence worth... [/quote] Sounds bloody depressing my friend.

[quote name='achknalligewelt' timestamp='1363785700' post='2017552'] I hope I didn't sound too negative, because playing originals, when it went well, was great. Exercising our creativity and bringing our skills to bear on new songs was always a buzz. But it was always with the idea of getting spotted, getting fans, maybe even getting signed, and after a while, when none of those things happen, you get jaded. It's difficult to be able to have absolutely no-one show an interest and not get jaded. And then life just got in the way. [b]I agreed withn the poster who said that a covers band is a good way to bypass a lot of the hard work and make people dance from the outset. it's what we all want, in the end.[/b] That, and to get paid. Sweet,sweet folding stuff. [/quote] Mmm, for me I want all that but with original music. It's the thrill of people loving what you've written that really gets me. Plus, in a cover band you never have any product to sell, no need to record anything. That's a huge part of the pleasure for me too. The joy of selling a record is a delight, knowing people listen to it in the privacy of their own home, or headphones, or playing it to their mates.

[quote name='charic' timestamp='1363784747' post='2017527'] Because I've had an idea and I think it would be good fun. There is the potential to do original music later but by forming as a cover band and sorting 3 hours of material it is easier to spot the time wasters [/quote] Fair enough

[quote name='lojo' timestamp='1363782827' post='2017465'] The other thing is, I have never in my 44 years on earth experienced or heard any negativity towards playing covers from anyone other than on this site. [/quote] This is not a negative thread is it? If there is any negativity it's been directed at the originals bands.

[quote name='wriggers' timestamp='1363784088' post='2017505'] Nearly 50! you're nobut lads. [/quote]

[quote name='Conan' timestamp='1363783834' post='2017499'] ^These. Both of these... [/quote] Really?

[quote name='charic' timestamp='1363782469' post='2017456'] I'm in a couple of original bands and am just forming a covers band so I'm not sure where that sits me [/quote] Nor am I Why are you forming a cover band?