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[quote name='phsycoandy' post='494554' date='May 21 2009, 06:41 PM']U speak the truth! all makes sense to me! how much is a tube 800 anyway? My 21012 arrived today, why do i have neighbours im here playing at headphone levels, roll on the gig saturday![/quote]


Its about £850 cheapest ive seen....

Let us know about the 21012

Looks good mate!

Enjoy!

I think the Vietnam stuff, especially the cabs, is brilliantly constructed and well finished. Does rock n roll perfectly

Bump slight price drop

Hey guys

Bear with me on this one. So, if I go for Schroeder 1212L at 4ohms, and I get a Mark Bass Little Mark Tube 800, that means 800W through this cab (well the possibility). I wouldn’t be able to add another cab just to get the feeling of more speakers.

If I get the 8 ohm, then the Tube 800 will run through it at 500W, which is the same level most people are getting as they have LM2’s. It should basically be the same sort of power…yes? Apart from the 800 is ‘digital’. This no doubt would be enough. Ive heard the limiters have been improved, so this amp should run better than previous MB’s at 8 Ohms.

So…this would also mean I could add another cab to this, thus I would have the best of both worlds? The Little Marks only go down to 4ohm, as you all know. I could potentially have 500W into the 1212L on its own, and if, for ANY reason, I wanted a bit more thump and more speakers, I could add to it with what I like, get the Tube 800 down to 4 Ohms with 2 small cabs. I could even add any other cab that was available; say if the band I play with bring another 8 ohm cab, we could have bass destruction.

Does that make sense? Or am I missing the point?! Running the Tube 800 @ 8 Ohms, 500W, is still mentally loud, and Im guessing this will still provide a good amount of power for the power hungry Schroder. I’ve heard a few say you shouldn’t underpower Schroeders as they don’t sound as good unless they given decent power.

Obviously, this all depends on whether I go for the Tube 800, because if I decide after testing the LM3/LMTube is more than enough, Id go for a 1212L 4Ohm so I can get the full 500W out of it in one cab.

The problem is, I look at every available option, to make sure I get the right equipment. So I basically try and do as much research as I can! When I do finally decide, it will deserve some pics!

I can just imagine getting to test these MB’s, and realising I want a Epifani/Aguilar or something!

Itll be interesting to see what it sounds like cf to the AD200b.

If it was 500W all tube it would destroy everyone at 1/4 volume.

Later this year.

Im holding back for a bit...ive seen a cheeky 1000W version with more features is creeping around somewhere.

Not sure about the SP cabs they are doing....hmmmm

[quote name='Finbar' post='493803' date='May 20 2009, 11:01 PM']I don't really like doing these, as I usually find the best thing to do is just go and experiment! This one is kind of hard to just experiment with though.

To explain:

I currently have a big pedalboard and a power/pre setup, running both channels bridged into a Schroeder 1212L. This sounds pretty good. But when am I ever happy? ;p

So I am going to run a crossover before my pedals, split the signal to highs and lows. Highs through my pedalboard, into my amp and 1212L, and lows bypassing the pedals and through an Aguilar Tonehammer to the same power amp, and into a second cab.

That'll give me tone shaping for both channels, as well as independent volume control.

But when it comes down to it, I'm not sure what cab to buy for the low end. I've been putting together little bits and pieces for the setup for a while now, and the next purchase is the cab. I love the sound of my Ampeg pre into the Schroeder, so that combination is definitely staying.

Initially I was going to buy a second 1212L. I love the look of that kind of mini stack - it'd all match and be sexy, and the footprints would be the same (sadly, I'm very much about aesthetics as much as anything else - bear that in mind). But I know the 1212L isn't exactly a low end monster, from experience. And if all its going to be fed is sub 150Hz bass, then that isn't the best idea in the world.

I looked at Alex's cabs, and they don't seem bad for what I want to do, but none of them run at 4 ohms, and while they seem like they'd shi[size=2]t[/size] low end for breakfast, I don't need all the crossover gubbins inside them. Also, I'm really put off by the fact that the footprints wouldn't match. Unless Alex does custom orders. Which I'm willing to be corrected on, but don't think he does.

So any ideas? I'm looking at something compact (similar size/weight to the 1212L really), and also 4 ohms as I want to run it with my 4 ohm Schroeder using my power amp. Oh yeah - my power amp will put out 375W a side at that impedance - reckon that'll be enough? I'm used to the full 1200 through one cab, and never REALLY had to push it. I know watts aren't everything, but that does look like a biggish drop in volume on paper, to me. Just needs to be able to faithfully reproduce a tight and strong low end well, to give me a bit of full body behind the grinding top end I still don't think the 1212L would do a BAD job. But something else might do it better that has slipped under my radar![/quote]

Out of interest....you using just the 1 1212L and its coping against a full band?

Still dont know whether to get 8 or 4 Ohms! Damn it. 8 would mean I can add to it....but I shouldnt ...ARGH

It is indeed bold and brave. If they pull it off and people buy it, and they sound just as good as the standard heads, then effectively your bass amp head can be changed once a year or even more!

[quote name='machinehead' post='492816' date='May 19 2009, 11:23 PM']The 1212L ( 4 ohms) combined with a LMII is very loud indeed.

I never go through the PA. We play clubs, hotel rooms and small pubs and the 1212L can handle it all.. I can't even begin to imagine how loud a pair would be!!! I know I would never need more than a single 1212L.

Frank[/quote]

Comments appreciated. Clubs and pubs are my venues mainly...for the moment. Ive got the 810 for big venues. I think you guys are right going for the 4Ohm. Less to carry...good volume. Schroeder also seem to carry a good 'name' which nowadays its a great thing. Built in USA as well.

[quote name='Protium' post='492781' date='May 19 2009, 10:32 PM']I think a pair of 1212 or 1210 would be unfeasibly loud [/quote]

Agreed! Is yours the 4 ohm model as well...I may have already asked though, sorry!

[quote name='thisnameistaken' post='492772' date='May 19 2009, 10:24 PM']When I bought my 1212L I was a bit concerned that it was 4ohm and it would be difficult to add a second cab, but honestly one of them paired with a 500W head is really, really loud. I don't regret it at all.[/quote]

Thanks! I can see your point. Shaun at SHX stated the 4 Ohm cabs are much more popular. If I paid it with a MarkBassTube 800....wow....thats going to be loud...and I wont need to push the head. Plus I suppose If I got two 8 Ohm cabs...I may as well use a 4x10 and have the weight/size issue.

Im the dilemna now of half just going for the 4ohm 1212L.....its in stock. Perhaps the 8ohm version would be better! ARGHHGHGHGHGGH

[quote name='phsycoandy' post='492685' date='May 19 2009, 08:56 PM']Part excitement and the shock of parting with 750 notes.................[/quote]

Itll be good

I was half tempted to start looking at that cab...but I MUST stay compact otherwise defeating my point of getting it....the GAS is getting to me !!!

[quote name='phsycoandy' post='492624' date='May 19 2009, 07:42 PM']Took the plunge and just ordered a 21012L from Shaun, gulp, hope it lives up to the hype![/quote]


The gulp, I bet, is part excitement!

Are they much more than the 1212L?

Cheers

SHX seem quite efficient. They are going for £565 with delivery. Ive shopped elsewhere and thats the best price. Is that pretty reasonable for a 1212L?

Tried emailing Jorg just for info and got no response as yet

[quote name='farmer61' post='492338' date='May 19 2009, 01:47 PM']Sorted through OBBM (Dave), thanks for all the recommendations, order in - cables will be here soon.......dead easy![/quote]

+1.....mega fast and easy....bank transfer cables done. I look forward to have proper cables...my old ones really are OLD. As in about 8 years old. Maybe more. They look cheap even though at the time they werent!

My how things have moved on

Bump

New bump

[quote name='OldGit' post='492146' date='May 19 2009, 09:51 AM']If it makes no difference I'd get the 8 ohm one simply so that you can add a second cab later for the trannie amps, should you want it for whatever reason.


Jorg tells a tale of someone sticking 1100 watts flat out through one 1212L, in their garage ... "it coped for a while" was the summation.
I assume the guy's neighbours then shot it, or him ...[/quote]

Yeah I was thinking of going 8 Ohm...although I dont know which one would be better if I ever decided to sell it on. I dont know which version would be the most popular with everyone. Id prob have to go for a higher powered LMTube800 so its 500W @ 8 Ohms (plenty loud enough)...but if I had to sell it on, im not sure which would be best. The option of adding another is good.

Yep...well my Orange is the same no matter what....so for my Orange it doesnt matter which I go for.

I think cos Im trying to get the smallest and loudest 12+12...it may as well be a 4Ohm...hmmm...

Only think is...If I go for a 800 MB head...thats 800W going through it...OUCH LOUD!

Did most people who own the 1212L go for 4 Ohm?

Ive sold all my initial gear recently....

Trace GP12SMX400W...awesome amp...did me well for 10 years and I imagine it will keep going strong.
Peavey 4x10 and 1x15 - Never liked these cabs...but did me well for 10 years
Fender Deluxe USA P Bass - Awesome looking but too heavy for me, and I prefer passive P Basses myself.

All of that has gone into new stuff. Ive upgraded amps/cabs and Im going to also get the lightweight option and get my Jazz ive been wanting since I started on Bass.

Think about it this way...if you spent £6K on a car 10 years ago...itd be worth naff all now and cost you loads to run.

Instruments are good things to collect! I see it that way. Cars fall to bits...unless they are awesome collector cars.

I think you should target Orange cabs...I absolutely love Orange gear 100%, but WOW...even their guitar stuff is SO heavy.

I imagine their new Bass 8x10 weighs twice a normal one does hahaha!

[quote name='ezbass' post='491631' date='May 18 2009, 05:37 PM']What can you say about one's fellow band members? Oh yes, they're all b@st@*ds![/quote]

Agreed

Im the skinniest one...I end carrying Marshall heads, helping with the Orange 4x12 Guitar cab (wow they are VERY heavy) and most the drums. The rest of them are a lot bigger built than me yet are complete girls when it comes to carrying.