Al Krow

Lol! I'm imagining the scene now... "Ok, go on then, play me both basses...No I really can't hear any difference between them at all, other than that the shiny black one sounds louder...No I don't understand what ballsy Yammy pups are...and what do you mean that one of them cost FIVE times as much as the other?! Oooh er that expensive one has a pointy shaped head doesn't it, a bit like a Sire you said? Is that a horse?" 😁

At least our govt have managed to get hold of enough vaccines for millions of us, which (I understand) unfortunately can't be said for 27 of our immediate neighbours; so we're defo on the right side of the Channel for once.

Dust off your basses and get your material back up to speed! 😊 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/09/covid-19-vaccine-candidate-effective-pfizer-biontech

If their cabs are anything to go by, I'm looking forward to the forthcoming release of the 3 lb BF 400W All Valve 😁

Looking forward to the album, having listened to that track! Really liked the bass line starting at 1.52 - what were the pedals were you using - DG / Tech 21?

Blimey - they'd have been better off buying one on BC! 10 bidders and still a full day to go - clearly still a VERY popular model (as also demonstrated across this thread!)

Yeah it was before I realised I needed one! Gotta bear in mind it takes me a little while to catch up with what you're up to and sometimes you've bought and sold gear before I've even worked out what the heck it's for 😁 Tbf I'm using my GVB36 in a very non-standard way: it's strung E to E and used as an electric classical bass with normal six string guitar tuning.

Yeah - you should have sold it to me! The Eastwood is a different animal (scale length, string spacing at nut and a fair bit more expensive) - but it does look good: https://www.notreble.com/buzz/2020/02/29/eastwood-guitars-unveils-the-hooky-bass-6-pro/

Couple of useful "quick tips" in the following threads:

Interesting in that we've both independently landed on 13.5mm (your Eastwood) to 14mm (my Ibby GVB36) as being a really good spacing for our alternative Bass VIs! Yours, I'm assuming, will be a tapered string spacing, whereas my GVB is a straight 14mm all along the fretboard.

I know you were pulling my leg matey, but you do an absolute ton for free for your fellow BC'ers and more widely - and it is greatly appreciated. Frankly there are very few of us who would be willing to do a pub covers gig without charging! I completely don't get why one piece of musical talent should be paid and the other not.

Done 😉 And FWIW if I had a C4 or FI they would certainly be patches I would defo want to download! It's exactly the sort of quality "usable" stuff that bassists should be willing to pay for, particularly if they are, themselves, going to be using them on paid gigs.

Shame (or quietly destroyed eh? 😁 ) Were you using them for live work and / or recording or mainly for fun at home?

Yup! I've been nagging you to do that longer than I can remember 😁

Quite revealing / useful hearing the isolated tracks, so thanks a heap, matey, for re-doing these for us. IMO the C4 no longer comes off as the poor cousin, in comparison to the FI, as when you over-layed them over the orignal tracks. The FI is certainly a sweeter / more rounded tone whereas the C4 is grittier. I wonder if the FI sounded better over-layed simply because it was jarring less with the original bass line? If we were able to strip out the original bass line and simply overlay your synth bass lines, I suspect the C4 would also sound pretty good / be very "usable". Two very capable pedals!

Brilliant thanks! I was just thinking it's a real shame that they didn't think to make a bass version, except they did! Really interested what you were pairing your GK3B with in terms of pedals and if you have any clips of you what you produced, that would be marvellous.

Aha! So what would be really interesting would be to hear just your latest isolated bass line for the FI and the one for C4 alongside it.

Cheers matey. How did you go about stripping out the original bass line to leave just yours on this and the earlier clips?

Even a Bass VI which has guitar spacing? But it's a useful point to be aware of regarding using it on a normal 18mm / 19mm 5 string bass i.e. it's not going to work for me; so thanks for the reminder!

Could you just not use the GK3 as an additional pup, in the interim, or indeed as a much cheaper alternative? (Although I know from your general approach / other purchases, you don't scrimp on costs!) Yeah - I totally get your keyboard point. But worth checking what a blo*dy good synth bass tone @Quatschmacher is getting from his monophonic (if I remember correctly) FI at the end of the "blown away by the bass tone" thread in Gen Disc. Bodes well for bass + synth pedal combos IMO and tech is only going to get better. And the SY-1000 is poly which should further assist with tracking. The issues / risks with the keys route for me are (i) another piece of kit to carry / set up and integrate (and learn!) and (ii) in my case I won't be the best keyboard player in the either of my bands by a long way and if we start using keys where the band are thinking "eh up, the bass line sounds better on keys", it's then a very short walk to a pure "band management" role for me 😂

Ah the code word is "bass" these days? Makes sense 😁

@BigRedX - that now makes very good sense. If you're comparing any bass synth pedal to a decent keyboard synth, it's game over: the keyboard synth is going to win out every time. If, however, you were comparing the tracking of the Boss SY-1 / SY-1000 to any other bass-synth pedal currently available, my money would be on the Boss no question! Do you have date pencilled in for when you are planning on getting yours?

There's just been a really good (albeit somewhat unexpected!) discussion of some of the key pros and cons of both pedals at the end of Bass Tone thread that Q has also linked to on the FI and C4 threads. Plus a couple of clips from Q nailing the keyboard bass synth tone from Mel C's recently released album. I found the discussion very helpful and some pieces of the jigsaw have finally fallen into place for me!

I'll have it give that another careful listen then as I missed that first time around! At which time-stamps on the last 3 mins was the glitching noticeably bad / obvious? What is it about the overall concept that you still particularly like - is it having everything under one bonnet?

Last 3 mins of this shows how crazily good this is on guitar! Still not much out there showing its equivalent use on bass yet though...