SaxyBassist

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1424001225' post='2691306'] I do understand all the posts, but I was commenting to the OP on the relevance of most of them. As far as I can see there is only 1 speaker chassis in that cab so any extension cab will be a huge benefit to the volume levels and tone. (Using the collective you here) You are talking to a player who has told you several times that she doesn't understand what you are saying and yet you keep on with stuff that is mostly irrelevant to the post. Does she need to add a cab: Probably - one 110 isn't enough Can she add a cab to that combo: Yes - as it says on the back of the cab 8 ohms only Will the extension cab hurt the amp: No - as long as the cab is 8 ohms Will it improve the volume: Yes - more speakers etc Will it improve the tone: Yes - more speakers etc Can she add a third cab: No - 1 extension is maximum Is anything else relevant: No - Nooooooooooooo I was hoping that plain, simple advice would benefit the OP. ps I also understand that 90% of these posts weren't directed at the OP. But how does she know that when you're all talking in a foreign language. [/quote] Just seen this post - many thanks [quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1424002363' post='2691329'] That's it then even though we are all guessing at how that dual coil driver works and all advice would normally go against having even a normal driver rated the same as the max output of the amp never mind masking that driver behind a far more efficient higher power handling one before disabling half of it's voice coils. Go for it SaxyBassist but I would listen very carefully to the combo speaker as the volume increases. [/quote] Will do

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1424214153' post='2694025'] Yes, an RH450 would be OK with 2 x RS210. The head is connected to one cab, with either 1/4" or Speakon cable. The second cab is connected to the first, again, either with 1/4" or Speakon. They will be connected in parallel, as the sockets on all these cabs are all connected in parallel. It is rare, and for specific reasons, that one would connect cabs in series, but it can be done. It's not relevant to your rig, though. Hope this helps. [/quote] Brilliant thanks - the RS210 that I have only has Speakon connectors so I got one made up by my friend who runs an Amp and Guitar repair centre [quote name='BassBunny' timestamp='1424266278' post='2694514'] Probably because Speakon hadn't been invented then, so no real choice. Jacks will work perfectly well, but if starting from scratch it is worth considering Speakons for the numberous advantage they present. [/quote] Maybe that's why the jack connectors are no longer included?

wow thanks for all the responses guys! I'm still a bit confused but thanks for making the effort I now have the RS210 combined with the Promethean and it does sound nice. The person i bought it from has another one for sale (very good price!) so my question now is...... if I have two RS10s would an RH450 be okay for them? and would I link them in parallel or in series? (see I have learned something! ) http://www.tcelectronic.com/rh450/

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1423943662' post='2690758'] Most combos run 4 ohms min load and an 8 ohm built in speaker (unlike the unusual one the OP has), so you can add another 8 ohm cab underneath to get a 4 ohm load (2 8s divided by 2 cabs equals 4) that will give you the full 180 watts the amp can produce hence you get more power and more driver area, double whammy upgrade! If the head can be unplugged from the combo cab you could run any combination of cabs as long as they combine to a total of at least 4 ohms (4 x 16 ohm 2x10 cabs all wired in parallel, 2 x 8 ohm 4x10 cabs, a single high quality 4 ohm 2x12, etc etc [/quote] So what I've got is good then? - Not going to go up in smoke or anything? No the head doesn't come unplugged, (I think the 3115 does) ps I read the idiots guide to amps and cabs and it went straight over my head, I'm afraid I really am dyscalculic and will never really understand any of it also I found a couple of switches on the back of the Promethean one says ground or lift and one that says 0db or -20db, haven't a clue which ones it should be set on

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1423944649' post='2690784'] Try this first; come back here if questions subsist... [url="http://www.studybass.com/gear/bass-amps/"]Bass amps and cabs, beginner's guide...[/url] There's no problem with asking questions. Sooner or later it will 'click'. It's not rocket surgery. [/quote] I'm not so sure it will, I once started an Open Uni Music Technology course having completed 3 course at level 4, 5 and 6 (Humanities and Literature) and I whizzed the though music part but couldn't grasp the apparently simple maths - it was pure gobbledygook to me - I really struggled.....I even had a maths tutor visit me at home to go through it all...... "Eureka!!" I cried when he finished explaining it all.....then I sat down to complete the first assignment and it had all gone again so I bailed out of the course [quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1423944738' post='2690787'] To be fair Saxy your amp is quite unusual having the ability to be working as 4 ohms on its own and still 4 ohm when you add an extra 8 ohm cab, clever but not so easy to describe. [/quote] Trust me to get the awkward one

What part of "please imagine you are explaining to a small child" do you guys not understand?

[quote name='taunton-hobbit' timestamp='1423936144' post='2690597'] I hate to be obvious, but if I want more volume/power, I add another amplifier (and speaker/s if not a combo) - dilemma sorted........... [/quote] As I said I am a complete techno numpty and can't even change a light bulb - ergo it is not obvious to me at all I have the Promethean and just want to add something safely on to it so I have a beefier sound

[quote name='geoffbyrne' timestamp='1423928326' post='2690470'] To (maybe) answer you original question, there is no reason at all not to attach a 2x10 cab to your combo providing a socket is provided for plugging one in. It shouldn't do any harm. The benefit in your case, and according to athe answer above, will be more speaker surface giving you higher headroom (goes louder without distorting) and a greater perceived volume (because of more speakers). The cons fo this are few - more cabs to carry and half your power going to the internal speaker & the other half going to the 2x10, therefore more stress on the internal speaker. Could you borrow a 2x10 & try it? G. [/quote] Yes I've tried it - it sounds great! hmmm bit worried about stress on the internal speaker what does that mean? [quote name='Musky' timestamp='1423928691' post='2690475'] I just thought I'd address the OP's question re the TC cab. Although the RS is rated at 400w the doesn't mean that an amp will put out 400W into it. It just means that it can handle up to 400w for prolonged periods of time - above that things will start to melt in the cab. So the cab can't be too powerful for the amp as it only receives the power, it doesn't pull the power from the amp. [/quote] Thanks that makes sense

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1423925525' post='2690433'] Forget the watts for the moment. Your combo is running 1 cab at 8 ohms. Add a second 8 ohm cab and it will be running at 4 ohms. That is the limit for most amps. So 2 8 ohm cabs = 4 ohms = good. Add a third 8 ohm cab and you will be trying to run the amp at 2.67 ohms which will generate more heat and usually causes the amp to at best shutdown or worst cause damage. [/quote] Thanks that sounds good [quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1423925937' post='2690438'] This is the problem with combo's. If you want to upgrade one part you have to replace both parts. How loud do you want to play? If you want to run 2 210 8 ohm cabs you'll need a separate amp. 2 210 cabs and a 500 watt amp will be a great rig and you can keep the combo for playing at home or low volume rehearsals. I'd also suggest a 212 to pair with your separate amp. [/quote] At the moment I use the promethean alone for rehearsal, but hopefully will eventually play pubs/pub size venues. If bigger venues come up (that would be nice!) then I'd add a head and another RS 210 [quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1423926691' post='2690450'] What I meant is they only advise it with their own cabs as they can't vouch for other brands being 8 ohms can they? I like combos that have a removeable head, 1x12 combo at the dog and partridge one night then running a pair of 4x10s at the megadome gig the next night [/quote] Mine doesn't have a removeable head - would be good if it did [quote name='BassBunny' timestamp='1423927652' post='2690463'] I think if you check further you will find the 3110 is already running at 4 Ohms, and thus the maximum 300W. The internal speaker has two 8 ohm voice coils wired in parallel thus you have the full 300 watts with the internal speaker. When you plug in the external speaker one of the 8 ohm windings is disconnected. So although an additional speaker will move more air, you already have the full 300W as the combo stands. Here's the info from the user manual. [attachment=183888:Promethian.png] [/quote] Is that good or bad?

I am a complete electronics numpty and just wondered if anyone could clarify something for me! I have a Promethean 3110 combo (300 watts 8ohms) and want to add a extension cab - a TC Electronics RS 210 (400 watts 8ohms)......... I've been told this will work, but if I ever wanted to add another RS210 I'd need a more powerful head. My question is how comes the 400 watt RS210 is not to powerful for the Promethean 300watt Combo? and also what amp head would I need for 2 RS210s ? thanks in advance (ps please imagine you are explaining to a small child )

[quote name='Marc S' timestamp='1423835453' post='2689530'] Hey that's pretty damn good considering you've only been playing 18 months Quite brave of you too, to be playing with other musicians who look like they've been playing a while Don't worry about the odd "slip" here and there They happen - the important thing is to keep the groove Heard the bass fine through some earphones - sounds fine in the mix nice & audible among drums & 2 guitars Nice colour purple Ibanez bass too [/quote] Thanks - I've jammed with them all before on the Sax but I was still bricking it a bit lol! The bass is my favourite colour - couldn't resist it! [quote name='RAY AGAINST THE MACHINE' timestamp='1423838945' post='2689586'] Sounds good to me on my iPad Good stuff. I was nowhere near that standard at18 months . Keep going [/quote] Thanks, I have had a bit of head start as I play and teach Sax, but the technical aspects of playing the bass are keeping me on my toes!! [quote name='No lust in Jazz' timestamp='1423840012' post='2689604'] Great - thanks for sharing. [/quote] Thanks

[quote name='SpaceChick' timestamp='1423821016' post='2689315'] It's the slim neck that really makes me an Ibby fan. Whilst I love the tone quality, you can get comparable (and better) sound in a lot of cases. Being a girl, my hands aren't very big, and I had a P bass and would be very quickly in pain through playing. Switched to my original SR300 and never looked back! I don't think I could play anything else now! Have had a tinkle on a few basses (a gorgeous Aria the other day) but I don't think I'd ever own anything else! [/quote] Same here SpaceChick re the neck, and being an old granny I can't take the weight of anything else, plus the size of the necks - I had a P bass copy 4 years ago but gave up after a month, got my SR300 18 months ago and haven't looked back - now out jamming and in a blues band - love mine!

Hi all, thought I'd check in and update you on my progress I've been working hard on teaching myself bass for 18 months now and here is some footage at a local blues jam - I made up the bass line (only because I had no idea how the actual one went haha!) which I was quite pleased with except for the odd slip here and there - you can't really hear the bass through a laptop very well - I stuck my headphones on [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m2a56LpGmE#t=57"]https://www.youtube....m2a56LpGmE#t=57[/url] and another one - again the bass is a bit quiet [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YWU66HJqPw&index=2&list=PLHxL-kmPrJKckC3nc2PcJDBqnTINa_xfI"]https://www.youtube....PcJDBqnTINa_xfI[/url]

Going through a similar thing myself - I've just switched to flatwounds and because I'm not used to them and they sound different it's throwing me, I've also turned up the volume and am trying a lighter touch. I'm also self taught and finding out all these things the hard way through trial and error

moved to videos

I love mine - my playing has come on leaps and bounds with it! I've got the 5 string too, but mostly play the 4 string

Wow I thought I was conscientious!! Life's too short for that sort of crap - especially the abuse from his gf - wtf has it got to do with her anyway Enjoy the relief of having walked away from it!

[quote name='gsgbass' timestamp='1409799878' post='2543488'] The horizontal stack works ok with a 65 pound head up top. [/quote] I'm getting one of these to sit under my Promethean 1x10 combo amp [size=4] [/size]

[quote name='ern500evo' timestamp='1409306337' post='2538467'] It could be to do with our nature or personality. I was once in a band where we all played sunday football together, our drummer was the keeper, I played as either centre half or defensive midfielder, lead guitarist was our playmaker/attacking midfielder and singer was our main striker. Make of that what you will. [/quote] I can absolutely understand that!! [quote name='SpaceChick' timestamp='1409310613' post='2538517'] Yeah and a lot of basslines are repetitive so easier to learn than those pesky guitar solos [/quote] Yes and then just great to groove away in our own little world [quote name='Weststarx' timestamp='1409323877' post='2538661'] Moral of the story... Bass is the easier option [/quote] Sax is a doddle compared to bass!! [size=4] [/size] [quote name='TheSiberian' timestamp='1409325225' post='2538688'] I don't know if I was born to be a bass player but for sure I will die like this. [/quote] Same here I've always been drawn towards bass lines - just never occurred to me until age 51 I could ever play anything other than a woodwind instrument! [size=4] [/size]

[quote name='AntLockyer' timestamp='1409208227' post='2537382'] It's a jam, jam it In all honesty 99% of the stuff can be described in musical terms. Slow blues in C starting on the 5, A medium speed shuffle in A with stops etc. At the jams I do (and work at) quite often someone will say a name of a song I've never heard before. I smile, nod and just get on with it. Much more fun than trying to play a faithful version of a record. [/quote] My sentiments too [size=4] [/size]

I get so fed up with band politics!! I agree with discreet - form a band with your gf! [size=4] [/size]

[quote name='BurritoBass' timestamp='1408867781' post='2534091'] ............ The one before that kindly lent me her upright bass and then afterwards approached my singer right in front of me and said she'd dep for me as she was better! She'd been drinking and I have to say having watched her set I actually didn't agree she was a better player.............. [/quote] How rude of her!! [size=4] [/size][size=4] If she'd said that to me I'm quite sensitive (even though I know I'm not very good!) and it would have probably upset me so much I'd have given up playing [/size] [size=4] [/size]

[quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1408811966' post='2533755'] Your eyes and ears are closed if you think that doesn't happen now, all over the uk. [/quote] Yes sadly this is true, thanks to so called austerity punishing the poor for being poor [size=4] [/size]

[quote name='White Cloud' timestamp='1408811090' post='2533743'] Sadly this often appears to be the case. I remember struggling as a child...we were dirt poor like all other working class people were, I wore "hand me downs" with patches on the knees and elbows of my clothes. We used to wake up during the winter with ice on the inside of our windows as we had no heating. This generation don't know hunger. [/quote] Eeee....that's nothing! we lived in paper bag in middle of t'road, every morning Father used to make us lick t'road clean! [size=4] [/size]

I've never been to any sort of open mic/jam where players don't bring their own instrument, [size=4]apart from drums! [/size][size=4] [/size][size=4] I would have shot up there and stopped him [/size] [size=4] [/size][size=4]!! [/size]