SaxyBassist

Hi Drew, was nice to meet you. Well played you too and nice bass! I had a great time, really enjoyed it - see you at the next one (or maybe one of the other jams!) Lorna [size=4] [/size]

[quote name='Phantomnin' timestamp='1408637383' post='2532120'] I go to Blues Jams around Essex...the term 'jam' does seem to be used differently here by different people. The Blues 'Jam nights' that have survived in Essex that I have been to, tend to put random bands together, but the bands usually play reasonably well known blues songs. The thrill is, playing with a new musicians with no rehearsal time, and responding to each other, especially when half the band rarely have heard the song being played. I love it, especially when the song just flies. I've been going for about three years to these and it has made me a much better live musician. I have had to try and lock in with a huge variety of different drummers. Now, another jam I go to is more an open mic night, where there are a mix of individual singer songwriters and other musicians. It's also fun, but a different vibe. Saxybassist: I go to the Hot Hob Jam and 'Blues at the Nags' mainly. Both really well run Jams in Essex. [/quote] Small world! I've been to the Hot Hob with my Sax a few times, and I'm off to the Nags Head tonight! The one I went to on Monday was Bowers [size=4] [/size]

Went to another jam got completely thrown in at the deep end and busked Run to You (was very Les Dawson lol!) but it didn't bother me at all because most people there know I'm a Saxophonist [size=4] [/size][size=4]) and then Sex on Fire which went a bit better, - never played either before! [/size] [size=4] [/size] [size=4]I got asked up for another 2 - All Along the Watchtower, and a funky version of Rock me Baby they both went much better, feel I'm beginning to find my feet now! [/size]

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1408362495' post='2529331'] There are other threads in the forum on the merits or otherwise of 10", 12", 15" and more. Mixing speaker sizes is also covered extensively here. The short answer is : speaker diameter alone tells us little concerning its 'loudness'. As a brief demonstration, if we imagine a 10" cone with a huge movement to-and-fro, compared to a 12" or 15" with little movement, the 10" will move more air, and sound louder. Cab designs, also, affect the bass response, so some 10" units give better bass sounds than some 15" cabs. As a summary, there is no absolute single answer; every cab/amp combination has to be tried to see if it's what you want. Coupling stuff from the same make is often a good choice, if for no other reason than aesthetics, but ultimately you just have to try. Many folks play long careers with mixed cone sizes, others keep 'em all the same. Most of the stuff mentioned above will sound great with your combo. Personally I'd say go for the TC 2 x 10, but there's no enormous reason to heed my advice over any other. You'll not waste your money on any of 'em. Perhaps choose the prettiest..? [/quote] If there was a purple one I'd buy it [size=4] [/size] [quote name='Jenty' timestamp='1408362510' post='2529332'] Yeah id say the 212 is a safe bet. Not played the tc212. Played the 210 but wasn't taken with it. Would have just preferred a little more push. I primarily play through 2x12's nowadays as i found it a little bit of a better compromise between the bass freq and the punchy tops. Can always throw a 2x10 or 2x8 on top if needed, but the 212 is usually sufficient for most venues i play. But ultimately its down to individual preference. You could always order a couple from the web and send back whatever you don't like. Always found Thomann to have a reasonably good return policy. Good luck. [/quote] That makes sense - thankyou [size=4] [/size]

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1408372007' post='2529523'] See, this is where it gets very discerning and one man's discerning is another man's whatever.. FWIW... I think 2x210 is enough for a lot of stages... providing they are decent 10''s.. I used to like TC stuff in a shop but have gone off the idea now as I think the sound will be too processed for my tastes. If you like them, then go with them. A TC210 should pair well with a TC 212 and the only misgivings I'd have about TC as a whole is they may rely on too much processing and mapping to get their results. If this doesn't matter to you because you like their sound and weight, the choice is between a 212 and another 210.. Theoretically the 212 may be a tad bassier within the stack but can you hear that difference..do you need that 'difference'? The fact that you pair up cabs will make it sound sound bassier than a single cab to your ear... [/quote] I don't think I'm at the stage yet where I can tell the difference [size=4] [/size][size=4] [/size] [quote name='discreet' timestamp='1408372297' post='2529526'] Nominal diameter of a driver tells you nothing about tone - i.e. a 15" driver is not necessarily 'bassier' than a 12" driver and a 10" driver is not necessarily 'punchier' than a 12" driver. And so on. [url="http://barefacedbass.com/technical-information/speaker-size-frequency-response.htm"]http://barefacedbass...cy-response.htm[/url] [/quote] Thanks that was an interesting read after I'd googled what a driver was [size=4] [/size][size=4] [/size] [size=4]I think I will probably go for the TC 2x12 - it looks nice [/size] ...........[size=4] and the price is right [/size]

[quote name='Handwired' timestamp='1408342797' post='2529062'] Mixing speaker sizes? [font=Arial][size=2]I'll try and keep it simple, but it may not help.[/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=2]Some people say that if you're running 10"s and you could do with some more bottom end, then stick a 15" underneath. This is what a lot of players do and swear by it, louder and fatter, moves more air. Other say it sounds better to the bassist standing in front of it primarily due to the top speakers being nearer your ears, stand further away and the effect is less noticeable. Also it is said that using 15's with 10's blur the punch of the bass due to the sound of the note played reaching your ears at slightly different times from the speakers, this is because of the speed and amount of air they push forward.[/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=2]All this said, it's what you alone prefer. I agree with Lozz196 about the distance selling rules, buy two and send one back. If you use Gear4music they have free delivery, and free return if sent back within one week.[/size][/font] [/quote] Many thanks, that kind of makes sense [size=4] [/size][size=4] [/size] [quote name='Jenty' timestamp='1408358564' post='2529256'] If you want a compromise go for a 1x or 2x12 cab and push a bit more air than a 10inch. If you already have a 1x10 or even a 2x10 a 12inch driver or two will compliment it nicely. [/quote] Ah okay, yes I think a compromise would be good - I have the 1x10 inch Promethean, so if I added this TC 2x12 (which is exactly the same dimensions as their 2x10) [size=4]..........I'd have a bit more bottom end than with the 2x10?[/size][size=4] [/size] http://www.gear4music.com/Guitar-and-Bass/TC-Electronic-BC212-Bass-Amp-Cab/E8Z I like their stacking system - I'll be able to lift them! [size=4] I played through one at the jam last week - sounded awesome to my ears! (2 stacked together but I don't know what size speakers they were) and[/size][size=4] [/size][size=4]I could always add to it later I suppose if I decide to go down the separate amp route [/size]

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1408305478' post='2528881'] Yes, it would. [/quote] Thankyou [size=4] [/size] [size=4] [/size]

[quote name='Doddy' timestamp='1408304481' post='2528863'] I'm not saying that 3x10 would be better than 1x10 + 1x15..I'm saying that that would be my preference. I've always prefered 10" or 12" speakers over 15". [/quote] Ah okay - I wish I understood all this! [size=4] [/size][size=4] [/size] [size=4] [/size][size=4]so ..... if I wanted a neat little stack would the TC 2x10 work with my combo? [/size]

[quote name='Doddy' timestamp='1408296863' post='2528753'] I'm just not a big fan of 15" speakers, and I think that the 10" extensions cab would give you a nice 2x10 rig. The 2x10 cab would work, although I don't know how well it would stack vertically with the tilt back design (assuming you are meaning the matching Promethean cab). It'd probably be fine though. [/quote] So 3 10" in total would be better than 1 10" and 1 15"? [size=4] [/size] Ah yes I see what you mean - this one http://www.gear4music.com/Guitar-and-Bass/Ibanez-P210KC-Promethean-2-x-10-Tilt-Back-Bass-Speaker-Cabinet/T9V No it wouldn't stack would it , what about one of these are the any good? and my combo could sit on the top ....... http://www.gear4music.com/Guitar-and-Bass/TC-Electronic-BC210-Bass-Amp-Cab/E8Y

[quote name='Lozz196' timestamp='1408291408' post='2528679'] Yep, take advantage of the distant selling regs to get the ext cab to arrive just before you have a full rehearsal or a gig. Then you`ll see first hand if it all works ok. It`s said that mixing different speakers sizes can have issues, and I`m sure it can, but in my experience of using mixed rigs I`ve never heard it - but then I play punk/heavy rock so maybe my ears are too knacked to tell. [/quote] Thank you [quote name='Doddy' timestamp='1408292365' post='2528695'] Big enough for a pub? Yes Big enough for Village Hall? Yes. Big enough for Wembley? Yes. Keep in mind that on bigger gigs you'll probably have PA support, so no problems there. The only thing I'd do is look at another 10" speaker rather than a 15". [/quote] ah okay - now here is where I get confused [size=4] - why 10" rather than 15"? and what about 2 x 10" ? [/size]

[quote name='theyellowcar' timestamp='1408288787' post='2528636'] I should've said, I have headphones covered already, but it's nowhere near as satisfying as playing aloud through an amp, hence the request! [/quote] I know where you're coming from! [size=4] [/size]

[quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1408288491' post='2528632'] Yes, you can add one of those. (Long version: the amp will deliver 300W into 4 ohms, so you'll get approx 2/3 of the 300W into the combo's 8 ohm speaker. Adding the 8 ohm extension cab will give an overall 4 ohms, so the amp will deliver the full 300W. What a 10 inch and a 15 inch speaker will sound like when mixed in this way cannot easily be predicted so you'll have to be the judge.) Yes, loud enough for a pub or small village hall, but not enough for Wembley. (Long version: The extension cab will make things louder but only you will be able to judge how loud is loud enough because there are many variables, including speaker efficiency. Loud enough also depends on what sort of music you play and whether the drummer is an animal or the guitarist turns up to 11. ) [/quote] Glazed over at the long versions! [size=4] but many thanks for that [/size] (not that I'm going to Wembley anytime soon but you get my drift! ) [quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1408288725' post='2528635'] [i]Easily[/i] loud enough for a village hall; for Wembley one would have FOH assistance anyhow. Just about perfect, I'd say. Just my tuppence-worth. [/quote] Thanks [quote name='Handwired' timestamp='1408289073' post='2528639'] Buy, buy, bye. [/quote] [quote name='discreet' timestamp='1408290336' post='2528660'] [/quote] Cheers

Headphones? [size=4] [/size]

I make use of the open strings quite a lot, but when I do stretch I cant reach so I kind of move my hand quickly [size=4] [/size]

Hi guys, please bear with me, I know nothing about electronics people have tried to explain to me but I just don't understand the lingo ohms and uhms and stuff [size=4] [/size][size=4]! [/size] [size=4].....anyway I have one of these [/size] http://www.thomann.de/gb/ibanez_p3110.htm which is great and fabulous and all that, cranks up to a good volume in the studio- but if I wanted more volume say for a bigger venue ............. could I add one of these ? http://www.gear4music.com/Guitar-and-Bass/Ibanez-P115CC-Promethean-1-x-15-Speaker-Cabinet/T9W#full-des Answers in plain English please ie...... "loud enough for a pub/loud enough for a village hall/loud enough for Wembley" .... - that kind of plain English [size=4] [/size][size=4] [/size] [size=4] [/size][size=4] [/size]

I teach Sax and flute, and offer a choice of a either my full hourly rate for Ad Hoc lessons (48 hour cancellation policy or full fee payable), and I also offer reduced flat fee monthly payment system to secure their same weekly slot (based on 46 weeks per year for weekly students and pro-rata for fortnightly students - to cover hols/sickness etc). It's non-refundable if they don't turn up, but I do my best to reschedule provided I get 24 hours notice if they can't make their usual slot - most of them opt for the monthly flat fee option. I refund for lessons if ever I have to cancel. I invoice them at the end of each month and the fee is due on their first lesson of the month. It works really well - before people used to not turn up/cancel left right and centre and I felt like giving up!, I now have a steady income.

I'm fine on bass if it's a blues - in the 2 jams I've been to I did Pride and Joy, Red House, Hoochie Coochie Man, Tush, and the ones I have been playing at home were Sunshine of your love and White Room................ on Sax I'll tackle just about anything [size=4] [/size]

Well I like jamming so ner ner ner!! [size=4] [/size][size=4] (and I guess a lot of that is to do with being a jazzer )[/size]

[quote name='obbm' timestamp='1407858516' post='2524746'] It's not a prerequisite that everyone knows the songs. It makes you think on your feet and that's what I like about it. [/quote] Yep you've hit the nail on the head! [quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1407860735' post='2524782'] I rarely know the songs at a jam night, "you do know it", "I don't", "you do its in A and goes like... a 2 3 4.." [/quote] Yes lol great fun! [quote name='SteveK' timestamp='1407861749' post='2524800'] Jamming is an invaluable passtime for a serious musician, particularly in their early formative years. You can practice all you like in your bedroom, but getting together with other musicians and putting what you've learned to the test and hearing it in some kind of context is hugely beneficial - it focuses the mind. My guess is that many of those that say, "I don't do jamming" are actually inhibited and scared of making a fool of themselves. It can be great fun and, as I said, hugely beneficial. [/quote] It is invaluable and in my case cured any nerves - saved me from being terrified at my first ever real gig on the Sax and hopefully will to the same with the bass [size=4] [/size]

[quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1407857506' post='2524731'] But does it count as a "Jam" if you are playing songs that everyone knows? Surely that's just playing covers? [/quote] That's what they usually call it when people get up and play stuff they've not rehearsed together before [size=4] [/size]

[quote name='Count Bassy' timestamp='1407847610' post='2524577'] You took the words right out of my mouth. It must have been while ....... oh help. Let's not go there!! But seriously although I enjoy going to "Jam" nights I only join in on stuff I know, and generally when I know the people playing. I feel very insecure if called upon to actually "Jam" in the true sense. [/quote] I can understand that [size=4] - most of the stuff was blues based so fairly easy to improvise over/wing it [/size] [quote name='Geek99' timestamp='1407847838' post='2524583'] You're not alone - musical knowledge is the key to knowing what to do IMHO [/quote] Yes I agree - it certainly helps [size=4] ..... [/size][size=4]now I have to get my technique polished! [/size] [size=4] [/size]

[quote name='neepheid' timestamp='1407838583' post='2524446'] Glad you enjoyed it. I don't care for these sort of things much myself, always been in bands and miss the structure and defined people in defined roles, too self critical to allow myself the (inevitable when you're winging it) bum notes and too much of a control freak to go into something not knowing exactly what I'm doing. It would be nice to let go of that, like you seem to have no problem with it. Perhaps I missed a step before piling into a band. [/quote] It's not for everyone - I do both but it's great social night and for me winging it is the best thrill - must be the improvising Sax player in me! [size=4] [/size] [size=4] [/size] [quote name='eightbitraptor' timestamp='1407841256' post='2524477'] Congratulations Glad you're having an ace time. [/quote] Thanks yes I am [size=4] [/size]

Hi all, just to update you all on my progress - I've been out to 2 jam nights in the last week and loved it did some Cream, SRV, Hendrix, Clapton et al which I love playing as I'm a sucker for a walking bass line! I'm used to performing (on Sax) so that helped, and everyone was very kind despite some bum notes and occasional loss of timing! Can't wait to go again and ultimately to get into a band would be well cool [size=4] [/size]

[quote name='TheG' timestamp='1403308763' post='2481834'] How many bassists does it take to change a light bulb? 1, 5, 1, 5……! [/quote] Or if they're jazzers - 2,5,1, 2,5,1 [size=4] [/size]

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1403001613' post='2478664'][list] [*]How many women does it take to change a light bulb? [*]One. She just holds the light bulb up to the socket and waits for the whole world to revolve around her. [/list] [size=4]*Runs away and hides behind sofa* [/size] [/quote] Sounds about right [size=4] [/size]