stewblack

 Wonderful article from a genuine artist explaining his personal experience eloquently and articulately. There doesn't really appear to be anything to agree with or disagree with. He is describing what has happened to him on his own musical journey. He isn't saying it should happen to me too.

Pm'd. Thank you.

Not dual impedance, but I shall take the ply order off hold! Thanks for all your help Phil, I'll keep you posted.

@Phil Starr

If my maths work the interior of the cab the two 10s came from is just shy of 64 litres.

21 minutes ago, bonzodog said:

I'm interested to see what TE fans here think of Little Creatures. This was my first experience of them as a young teenager after hearing Road to Nowhere. I've since realised this was a bit of commercial change for them but I still think it has some very well written songs on. And she was and Perfect World are both great songs.

It's the album which got me into them and is still a favourite. I then went back to 77 and filled in with all those amazing albums. 

23 hours ago, MGB said:

Yes Stop Making Sense was an amazing experience for me too but this  is the concert I would like to invent a time machine for.

At 49.05 they play the best version of Born Under Punches ever, I can listen to that for days.

Thanks for sharing this. TW is mesmerising. The embodiment of understated elegance in bass form.

6 hours ago, fleabag said:

A faultless sale of a cab to Stew. A gent and a scholar. Always great to see a face attached to a fourm name

Wonder what the drive back home was like, considering what i laced his tea with ....   🤐

I'll tell her it was your fault then shall I? 😂

Just returned after a pleasant drive through the Cotswolds to conduct a deal with our very own @fleabag. Pete is  an extremely decent  chap, a pleasure to deal with, and an excellent host. Had a cuppa, a noodle on an absolute stunner of a bass and returned with a Trace Elliot cab which I purchased for a very reasonable price.  Oh and he's a pretty bloody good photographer too. How I escaped without a TE 4X10 combo I have literally no idea. My back thanks you for not encouraging me.

Buy and sell from and to Pete with absolute confidence.

Don't do it Chris! Is it because I've been ill? You missing the cash from the lessons? I'll be back soon I promise.

On 07/09/2018 at 13:27, Phil Starr said:

Is that an old Peavey? Yeah if you measure the internal volume of the cab then  divide by the number of speakers that should give you the volume you are aiming at. If the original designers knew their stuff. If it's an old 4x10 you can even afford to blow a speaker, and cut up the grille for your new cabs

 

Remember this was a deliberately undersized (for the Beymas) cab to trim the bass response for difficult rooms, it may well be a decent match for your 10's and the 50Hz tuning may be OK too.

Thanks Phil. The 2 10s came from an Epifani cab which I still have. I'll get the tape measure to it shortly, and let you know the results. 

That would be great.

We still on for Sunday Mr Fleabag?

56 minutes ago, Balcro said:

Hi stewblack,

Phil Starr or Stevie can probably verify if this idea is acoustically practicable, but I think there may be an alternative to putting bricks inside the cabinet to reduce the volume. You could get hold of or scavenge some rigid polystyrene blocks ( packing pieces) such as these.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Small-White-Polystyrene-Sheets-Boards/dp/B0164QUZN0/ref=sr_1_6/258-6901820-1773340?ie=UTF8&qid=1536417827&sr=8-6&keywords=polystyrene+blocks

If my maths are correct, each sheet takes up 6 litres. The average brick occupies about 1.75 litres so there's plenty of
scope to save weight.

Balcro.

That is a great idea, thank you.

11 hours ago, Phil Starr said:

It depends upon the speakers entirely. I'm not sure if you are building the big 50l box or the smaller 30l one which is more likely to suit a random 10" speaker. Are they bass speakers or just some generic 10's?

The thing is that they will work, in that they will make a noise, you may even quite like the noise. Without getting too technical if the cab is too big to match the speaker you have you might get some nice deep bass but with a gradual roll off and reduced power handling, it's not uncommon to see power handling reduced to 25% of the rating at certain frequencies. If it is too small then you may not get a lot of deep bass but a boom boom upper bass with not a lot of definition. If you just want to have some fun then if you just play at home levels then power handling should be fine and you'll be able to play. I probably wouldn't want to gig with them in a rock band without knowing more about the speakers. Where in between those extremes they'll operate, well that's a gamble.

To be fair if it is a bass speaker or a PA speaker they tend to have broadly similar enough characteristics that a moderately sized cab tuned to 50Hz will kinda work, with the reservations on power handling.

A rolled up sweater wouldn't work anyway, you'd need something solid like a brick.

Thanks Phil. I was planning on building the cab demonstrated at the SW Bash. The speakers are from a bass cab which was too darned awkward and heavy to lift comfortably so I thought I'd take it to bits it and use the parts. 

Maybe not such a great idea. Would the dimensions of the original cab tell me anything useful regarding what size two small cabs ought to be?

3 hours ago, Chienmortbb said:

Sounds like a plan but go easy  on them drivers as they may well exceed their Xmax at medium to low volumes. litsen  for farting nopise and if there is no nasty smell it may be you driver exceeding its mechanical limits.

Ah - thank you for this, exactly the kind of advice I was hoping I'd receive. Would you say the idea was inherently flawed then? Is there a temporary solution? Reduce the volume of air in the box with a rolled up sweater or something?

7 hours ago, Happy Jack said:

Stew, you shouldn't have done that, you really shouldn't.

I've bought it. I just had to.

 

Seriously? Damn. I have to see it. And buy it off you one day. 

Oh god. I'm in love with these Soviet bass stylings! Here's another favourite https://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tonika-bass-Sverdlovsk-USSR-vintage-Rossia/192628465034?hash=item2cd98d1d8a:g:gwoAAOSwcTRa0wzL

You'll love it. I'm a huge Zoom fan. The flexibility, potential and price make it a no brainer. 

Just ordered my plywood to be cut up for me. I'm making two of these little babies but with an initial Stewblack Bodge ™.

Let me explain. Funds are tight, and I already have two 10" speakers. Sat in a shed. Not going to get to Dorset any time soon where @stevie kindly offered to measure the " T-S parameters " of my drivers for me so we could work out a cab designed for them. Therefore I'm going to make these cabs but with a 10" hole not 12" in the baffle. I know, I know these are scientifically designed to house 12" drivers but this is only a temporary measure. Once funds permit I propose buying the recommended speakers and making my hole bigger(!)

Then I can get my T-S perambulators measured up and make some 1 X 10 cabs too. Meantime my lust for building is slaked and my 10" drivers cease languishing. In a shed.

Damn that's a fine groove to sit on!

This works too

herbie chameleon bass sound2.mp3

herbie chameleon bass sound.mp3

Patch level 100 balance 62. This gets reasonably close with my P Bass bridge pickup tone full on - but all instruments sound different - pick or finger style, how hard you hit the strings, flatwounds or round will all affect it so feel free to tweak and play.

Not yet, but I'm going to have a bloody good go at finding out...

Strengths: Keep time, always carry a spare ( two of everything at every gig), entertaining on and off stage, experienced, hard working, help with the pack down, learn my parts properly, always trying to improve. Give the audience 100%, play with my eyes up so alert for band leader's signals, go where I'm sent and do what I'm told. Sober, drug free, good gear.

Weaknesses: Fall in love with all female band members all the time. Intolerant of lazy show ponies and shrinking violets alike. Crap car and no money - sooner or later this will hurt me. Over enthusiastic  at times and  confused  when all band members don't  immediately see the wisdom of my brilliant ideas. Get swept away by the music sometimes and yell at the audience/make inappropriate 'jokes' between songs.