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Mate of mine did much the same thing with cardboard. Good protection, light weight, and doesn't look like something expensive in the back of the car.

I couldn't resist. The Amazon price was so low. Only played at home for an hour though at a reasonable volume and I like what I hear so far. Agree about the clip light. The on board compression is interesting. If you play hard to activate it and hold the note it comes back up as it sustains. A fast run of notes and this wouldn't notice but otherwise it seems a little bit of a blunt tool.

I played an active, zingy bass through it and it produced a very tight, modern, lively sound. I had to hang on tight at times! Looking forward to trying some warmer old school tones next time.

On 09/12/2017 at 20:53, Dood said:

Thank you!

My favourite combinations were the 4x10 on the 1x15 together - they complemented each other and delivered lots of 'weight' to the sound.

I've been considering this exact speaker configuration. Any further thoughts on it? Thanks

Whereabouts are you oh Trace recycler?

It's not just the TE as sexy as she unquestionably is. It's the white Jazz, the OBBM cable. 

Excuse me a minute

19 minutes ago, discreet said:

Too right, I took it wearing only pants.

I will put some on before I look at it again.

6 hours ago, discreet said:

You know, I doubt it, as the new Trace stuff just isn't like the old Trace stuff... I could be wrong, though. Meanwhile, this just arrived...

flip me that is a pornographic picture.

Thanks for all the info folks. Since going lightweight I love the lack of back pain and the sound quality. 

However, being of a certain age, I do miss the physical presence of an old fashioned bass rig. I have been toying with the idea of two RM 4X10 Evo Cabs. 

Still just toying right now.

Thanks folks. Food for thought

Any thoughts?

Weight, manoeuvrability, sound qualities when compared with other gear, reliability, sexiness, odour, feel, handle position etc etc

11 hours ago, Krysbass said:

Perhaps part of it is relevance. 

By that I mean that in a typical audience,  some people will have played guitar themselves , or sung a song, or tapped out a rhythm before - even if it's just on the "steering-wheel bongos" in their car.

But few if any will have played bass before or even made an effort to follow what the bass is doing when listening to their favourite music.

Then add that popular misconception that bass must be "easier" than guitar by virtue of the fact that basses mostly have fewer strings and the scene is set for why singers, guitarists or drummers tend to attract more post-gig compliments from audience members than the bassist. 

It's just how it is.  But the fact that I've been playing bass for over 35 years hopefully indicates how little it bothers me. 😎

Not just punters. I auditioned for a band, and afterwards they confessed to being 'amazed' how much they missed the bass when it wasn't there.

Evidently they had run the audition songs before I arrived and couldn't believe how empty and gutless they sounded with no bass guitar. 

You will struggle to believe this my friends: the band is a three piece.

@paddy109 

Is it true that Ashdown will repair your amp for free no matter what? If so compared with Markbass who only authorise one repair company which entails paying to post the bloody amp for the dubious pleasure of having a company you don't know look at it and quote whatever they like. Can't buy parts or download schematic for it. Put me right off MB.

If the Ashdown stuff is truly immortal I shall definitely investigate.

Showed and explained this to a friend I'm helping out as they start learning bass. Couldn't have come at a better time. Saved me teaching her a load of unnecessary stuff.

So thanks again.

I think the first thing I'd try is a different cab but honestly we just prefer certain amps and cabs. Personal taste. I adore TE stuff especially through MarkBass cabs. Can't get on with the Markbass amp I have. I get great results from  a Behringer amp paired with a Barefaced cab but less so with other more fêted and rated amps. Suck it and see I guess.

7 hours ago, wateroftyne said:

This is an interesting discussion.

If we were to go back in time a couple of decades, to the days before Class D, when our Trace Elliots, GK's and such were 100w, 200w, etc., was measurement equally wooly, or was there more of a standard way to measure back then?

That link I put up actually suggests the 60s and 70s may have been the golden age of wattage misdirection!

Another fine offering. Thank you for sharing your wisdom and experience.

I think it's some if not all of the above. No hard or fast rules but you know when your doing it right. Speaking personally it takes time for me to get to know a drummer. Some I dovetail with very quickly - our styles just suit one another's musical needs perfectly. Others may take longer, and sometimes it never seems to happen. Generally I need to listen to the drummer more closely than anyone else and begin a dialogue in rehearsal about the parts we are drawn to and how we play them. It's then a process of consciously playing complimentary stuff. Over time this becomes more instinctive through familiarity and repetition until you both are locked in together. Nirvana for me!

Oh my. I've gone weak at the knees.

I think this should put the whole debate to bed

"So... where does this bring us? As you have probably seen in amplifier spec sheets, manufacturers rate the output of their amplifiers in watts RMS. For example, let's consider the vintage amplifier Kenwood Model KA-9100. This amplifier is rated to put out 90 watts RMS per channel into an 8 ohm load. Technically speaking, the term "RMS" is not defined when referring to power (watts)! RMS is a valid term when referred to voltage or current, but not power! Watts are watts, period! Despite the term "watts RMS" being an incorrect term, it stuck with the community and has become the accepted way to rate an amplifier's output. The reason that audio amplifiers are rated in "watts RMS" is because they are rated to deliver that amount of power using a sine wave signal. Because amplifiers are rated this way, their peak power output will be twice the RMS rating. So, for the Kenwood KA-9100 (which is rated to deliver 90 watts RMS into 8 ohms), the peak power is 180 watts. Most amplifiers cannot sustain output at their peak capability for too long (and the characteristic of most music signals is such that this is not necessary anyway). So, despite "watts RMS" being a technically invalid term, it is used with audio amplifiers because of the sine wave signals that are used to determine their power output specifications.

Question: What are (at minimum) the rail voltages necessary for an amplifier to deliver 90 watts into an 8 ohm load? It is not too hard to figure this out. We simply look at the equations for power:

P=VI = I²R=V²/R

In this case, there are two known items: power (90 watts) and resistance (of the speaker, 8 ohms). Plugging these numbers into the equation (P=V²/R) yields a value for V of 26.83 volts. Is this the answer to the rail voltage question? No... REMEMBER, if we applied 26.83 volts of DC (note: DC) across an 8 ohm speaker the power to the speaker would in fact be 90 watts. However, amplifiers are rated using sine wave input signals, and (as described above) we need to apply more voltage to a load (for a sine wave) in order to get the same amount of power that would be delivered by a DC voltage. For sine waves, the multiplication factor is 1.414. So, if we take the voltage of 26.83 and multiply it by 1.414 (the square root of 2), we get a value of 37.94 volts. This value is the absolute minimum rail voltage needed for an amplifier to deliver 90 watts (with a sine wave signal) to a load! Had we mistakenly determined that 26.83 was the correct rail voltage, the amplifier would begin to clip as the output tried to exceed 45 watts of output. Note that 45 watts is exactly one half of the 90 watt value. This shows that by increasing the rail voltage by a factor of 1.414 results in the amplifier having twice as much output capability! This can also be deduced by looking at the equations for power."

Full article here http://www.rocketroberts.com/techart/powerart_a.htm

@paddy109 quick sell the wife's car!

I have an Olp 5 string - these are seriously nice bass instruments. GLWTS.

That's an awesome looking rig.

Excellent review thank you.

btw the BF one 10 is £350 new so I'm guessing a second hand one (if anyone was ever mad enough to part with it) wouldn't be too crazy. Time to explain to the family why Christmas is cancelled this year.