Bilbo

I'm in Felixstowe. You are welcome to come over and plug stuff in.

I just put on a Miles compilation cd I had in the office and the first track was the 1958 version of 'Milestones' with Davis, Coltrane, Cannonball, Garland, Chambers and Philly Joe. I had entirely forgotten this until that moment but, as soon as that groove started, I immediately remembered that I had listened to a lot of fusion and jazz rock etc but had never really got excited by the real deal. Then I got hols of a 6 LP Readers Digest compilation of The Modern Jazz Quartet, Ella, Louis, Brubeck. Basie and Miles (wot? No Ellington ). The first track on the Davis LP was Milestones and I remember thinking 'wow' and then, when Cannonball Adderley's solo starts..... a real 'hairs on the back on the neck' moment. I didn't understand it but I just knew that this was special. Funnily enough, several horn players I have spoken to have acknowledged that solo as an epiphany as well. What was the first 'real' jazz (not fusion, jazz rock or jazz funk) tune, album or gig that instinctively made sense to you?

If Fender don't like it, they shoudl have made him a better offer. I am always a little suspect of these kinds of endorsements. Wal never have endorsees, only people who buy the damn things. THe process has far more integrity that way. If Geddy has a Wal, its because he wanted a Wal and bought one. Speaks volumes. WHy does Jeff Berlin, the 'greatest bass player in the world', only ever get cheap and nasty basses made for him? Is it because he is not a household name? I think so

Good idea but here are similar things on the Gollihur site and the String Emporium site. No harm repeating it here, though.

Major Minor (who I also have never met) loaned me a set of Evah Pirazzi strings (£150?) to try and, when I had finished with them, asked me to forward them on to daflewis (who I think he also hasn't met) so Daf could try them to.

Jakesbass leant me a £3K double bass for 6 months. I had never met him in my life until I picked it up. Will owe him one forever for that kindness.

Beethoven String Trio in G Op.91 Well, you asked.

[quote name='4 candles' post='1189771' date='Apr 5 2011, 09:58 PM']a ginger gentleman, mr hudson from colchester curently residing at the 606 on a weekly basis with winsten bliset providing the low end in favour of me! traitor![/quote] The Red Reverend! I haven't seen/played with him in a while (since he moved to London really). Lovely player when he wants to be

Are you joking? I carried those damn carrots around everywhere for 2 years and not a dickybird.

Can't download here but looks exciting; will look at home. Thanks for the tip off, H. Edit: the links open. Some great stuff on here. I wish I had time to spend with it all. If this stuff had been around when I was a kid and could practice all day, who knows what may have come to pass.

[quote name='4 candles' post='1188424' date='Apr 4 2011, 10:20 PM']I regulary play with a keys player whom plays with bilbo who tells me that bilbo is "a cat"[/quote] Who's that then? I don't know anyone in Birmingham!! You must get out and about a bit!!

Good post, LawrenceH. As I always say, don't ever make the mistake of taking me seriously I'm not like this in real life.

Also Pfrancing (Miles Davis or Joe Henderson) or C Jam Blues by Duke Ellington (only got two notes in it).

[quote name='Major-Minor' post='1188786' date='Apr 5 2011, 11:30 AM']But then I think, hey wait a minute, "So What" is melodically very (very !) repetitive. the harmonic structure is simple ..... so why are we jazzers happy to play this tune ?[/quote] I don't like playing that tune much either Having only heard the original once, I am delighted that the Major recognised it immediately for what it was. I do occasionally play Moondance (once or twice a year?) and, given the right rhythm section, can swings its a*** off but that doesn't alter the fact that it is a weak piece. My feigned outrage is that it gets erroneously associated with Jazz by the uninitiated - bit like Michael Buble I am sure Van has made millions off it. But so did Terry Wogan and The Floral Dance. THat doesn't make it ok... And kudos to the Major for doing the deed. I really haven't got the time.

Every buyer I have dealt with bought and paid for the gear in one sitting, every trade I have made went smoothly, every bit of gear I bought without seeing has been as described and was sent as soon as payment was made (or even before) Must be lucky

[quote name='Bilbo' post='1188048' date='Apr 4 2011, 06:01 PM'].... some of it is pony poop.[/quote] Like 'Hey, Victa'

I never consider Blue Monk to be a conventional 12-bar (I///, IV/, I/, II, V, I/). If you want it to sound 'Monkish', its actually quite hard to play (like a lot of Monk)!! But, yes, strictly speaking, it is a blues,

[quote name='LawrenceH' post='1188022' date='Apr 4 2011, 05:44 PM']So what you're saying is, that jazz isn't meant to be very entertaining.[/quote] Not at all. What I am saying is that 'stunt' bass is not very entertaining. Its like those video outtake programmes. watching people forget their lines or fall over is amusing a few times but quickly gets boring. Same with the home movie howler programmes: 'oooh, look. He fell over/the kid headbutted him in the nuts/the cat opened the door'! It gets tedious quickly. If a solo has no musical 'point', its acrobatics. And I don't know about you, I don't find acrobats very entertaining Of course its subjective. But lets not all agree that its all good. Its not. In the grand scheme of jazz, some of it is good, some of it is great and some of it is pony poop.

Exactly and I think that is what happens in a lot of fusion type grandstanding (not all of it; some of it is perfectly legit). I find a lot of Jeff Berlin very '1,2,3, GOOOOOOOOOOOO!' whereas, say, a Steve Swallow solo with John Scofield is usually more organic.

I think we need to define what the purpose of a solo is. WHen someone like Wooten does one of his mad clinic solos, its not good jazz its great technique presented in a circus act/entertainment fashion. I can't access the Salina video here so can't comment but a lot of fusion solos are not, for my money, jazz solos per se but something more akin to HM stunt guitar

Not sure if I can see the wood for the trees. I have Simandl book 1 and 2 but am not sure which source I can acces in relation to the Rabbath method you are discussing. Is there a link to any books or dvds on the Rabbath method? Trouble is I can' t open the links on here whilst I am in work.

I don't like the term faker as it implies deceipt but I do think that some people are lightweights and others are players. A lightweight is someone who can play to a degree, play in bands, can knock out tunes, do gigs etc but who, when confronted by other musicians who talk the language of music (key signatures, time signatures, chord names, specific terminaology etc) are immediately out of their depth. Some people struggle to communicate ideas because they lack the language and that is usually (not always) indicative of a lack of knowledge. It shoudl be noted that there is no relationship between a lack of success as a musician and being a lightweight. You can be very successful and still be a lightweight. In my experience, those who are faking it, know it. Its the ones who acknowledge it and do something about it that I admire.

I am not a pro but when I got to work every day, I go to work. I don't knob about (much) and get on with the tasks appointed. If I don't deliver, I risk censure and ultimately the sack. If you are being paid as a pro musician to deliver at that level, the same variables apply. If you are an amatuer, the return on your investment is not financial and the motivation to deliver does not come from the same space. Lots of people here say 'it has to be fun'. I think for some of us its more a case of 'it has to be good' or 'it has to be satisfying' (that satisfaction coming from a sense of a good job done). But can you 'push' people to excel is they are giving their time for nothing? Some you can, some you can't. Its a complex dynamic.

[quote name='BottomE' post='1187006' date='Apr 3 2011, 07:43 PM']If we all liked the same things life would be boring[/quote] Yes, as a final principle, but don't let that mean that any old crap is fine. It is important to have the debate about what things work and what things don't, otherwise there is no motivation to improve.

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