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Motown was in a loudness war with the Beatles in the US matey. There is documented evidence that they could not get their releases as loud as the Beatles' 7" singles in an article by their mastering engineer at the time. Search for Bob Ohlsson on Gearsluts IIRC...
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They were in a loudness war with the Beatles. Loudest single sounded the best on a jukebox. An HPF meant you could cut louder without the bass popping the needle out of the groove....
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There's a ton of great engineers and producers with good ears. Most people aren't looking to sound exactly like Motown these days. And very very few players that sound even close to the real essence of that Motown Funk Brothers greese....
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Ok so cassette is not reel to reel for one thing. The noise floor on reel to reel is way way way lower than cassette. Tape compression and saturation is a huge part of the sound of vintage recording techniques. I can't stress that enough. People didn't have millions of plugins. They didn't even have dozens of pieces of outboard gear. Even Motown. They built what they needed themselves. Including the DI that Jameson used to get his bass down, yep Motown bass was DI'ed! But they did have tape, which as you start to drive it saturates really nicely and compresses too. But these days you can get lovely tape compression/saturation emulation on all channels. It's more the room and players IMO. Watch Standing In The Shadow of Motown.
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I've used them for a few years. They start off sounding like normal strings do after they have well and truly worn in. They stay sounding like that for me for about 2 to 3 months. Having said that I sweat like a hippo on crack playing live and that stuff eats through normal strings in less than an hour. I am seriously considering changing things up a bit though as they sit under rather than cut through a bit too much with my present rig.
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It's not the digital aspect at all, that's a huge myth.
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When I saw them live they spent a fair proportion of their set backing up Marva Whitney, went a bit more soul for that section, but When they lay it down hard, man alive they are funky as, and tighter than any other band I've heard... This is my favourite track of theirs, love the 'melted' drum kit too!
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Seriously it awesome being in a band with such quality players and people, but Osaka Monaurail, best funk band I've ever seen, better than Tower of Power...
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Played a blinder at the Jenny Lind in Hastings. In 7 years that was the best gig my band have played, masses of love from the punters, lots to the bar from punters too apparently. One of the regulars came up afterwards and said, "That was incredible, you guys are just surgical, in a really good way". The bar played all of Osaka Monaurail's Riptide album while we setup. If you aren't up on your Japanese funk, let's just say something really serious to live up to.... Apparently we did and then some. Still buzzing 🤩🤩🤩
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That's a change from the original spec then, fascinating!
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Yep, but for me the missing functions are a deal breaker.
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Nope, didn't open it or play with the internals, its not mine to go prodding around inside...
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Said the actress to the bishop
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It's a beast... Here's Dan's review:-
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Anyone else seen the elephant in the room? https://www.quilterlabs.com/index.php/product/bass-block-802
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I never reckoned the BB800 was overly grunty in the lows. I think it's strength is the way the preamp thickens up as you put too much into it. Gets a nice very slight grind going on. Very loud though. Compared to my big amp it's not got anything like the umph down low, but that's 1200w so it can push enormous amounts of air. The BB800 gas covered a 400 capacity 2 storey room without pa though. Close to too loud apparently, for a funk band. That was into a big twin 2, so massive air movement 🤩
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That graph isn't quite right actually... [Engage pedant mode] The compression doesn't begin to stop until after the threshold is crossed in the downward direction. In fact the crossing of that threshold is the point from which the release time is measured. Achieving 0dB compression only after that. The attack and release are also non-linear. Compression is seriously complex to draw. I have never seen a really accurate compression graph drawn... [Pedant mode off]- 39 replies
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Oh of course, time for the regular biannual basschat compression bunfight, should really put it in my calendar.... Here we go:- Compression used properly doesn't smash your dynamics Compression is a much more subtle effect than preamp side effect compression due to time control of the effect. It's actually more of a transient control. You can't hear transparent compression on its own, hence the transparent... But it is still powerful in the mix. Effects obvious compression will change your dynamic range, cos you're smashing the stinky poo out of the signal... Cheap compressor pedals generally are only useful for heavy effect compression cos you can't tell what they're doing cos they have inadequate metering... There you go 🤩🤘
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A downside to EA is that they haven't got any rack ears for their amp - something I am getting very irritated by. I don't want to jury rig some dodgy shelf solution, get me the damn rack ears you swines! Their after sales have strung me along for months over this now. Not impressed at all!
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Well its an interesting thing, they are definitely very tasty preamps, but the rest of thee signal chain does not quite live up to expectations IME. What can you say, I was suckered by the lovely preamp, I am a fool Having said that the EA was not available when I was originally looking, and it has a more full featured preamp that sounds every bit as sweet IMO, and a fricking huge power amp that certainly makes the Trickfish 1k tremble at its SPL capability. And the nicest input level meter I have ever seen on a bass amp (got to love the flashing lights mate)
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I had a Trickfish 1k and it didn't work out, in all honesty there was definitely something not quite right about it, it went back and the 'fix' made it worse. Anyways I now have an EA iAmp Classic which is an absolute tone monster and as loud as bombs. Worth a try if you are still searching....
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Do New Moon do equipment as well as instruments? Could only see instruments on their website...
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Not a member I'm afraid...
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It's time to insure my kit again, and my normal insurer has more than doubled the cost this year. Really not impressed! Any recommendations for a decent insurer? Ta!
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It is very good IMO...
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