Beedster Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 Gut instinct says stay away from this lot [url="http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZmarshalmacdonald"]http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZmarshalmacdonald[/url] Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwickhunt Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 [quote name='Beedster' post='53206' date='Aug 31 2007, 10:47 AM']Gut instinct says stay away from this lot [url="http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZmarshalmacdonald"]http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZmarshalmacdonald[/url] Chris[/quote] Lots of stuff from a newish seller but I might be missing something... He's claiming it's 'his collection' which I do doubt but on first glance he has sold some stuff and got feedback! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted August 31, 2007 Author Share Posted August 31, 2007 [quote name='warwickhunt' post='53208' date='Aug 31 2007, 10:56 AM']Lots of stuff from a newish seller but I might be missing something... He's claiming it's 'his collection' which I do doubt but on first glance he has sold some stuff and got feedback![/quote] Smells wrong to me. New ebay member, lots of private purchases. Looks like a scammer who's done his homework. All those really expensive items are going to end within hours of each other, and he's suggesting bank transfer or cheque.... As I said, I might be wrong, but the reason most bass scams cen be spotted a mile off is 'cos the scammers no nothing about basses. If I wanted to scam bassists, I would do it just how he's doing it. Apologies if the seller is legit Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Burpster Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 Chris, its easy to see why you are sceptical..... 3 'genuine 70's Fenders with no reserve? someone is going to make an absolute killing on these or they are hotter than a very hot thing in a microwave..... B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted August 31, 2007 Author Share Posted August 31, 2007 If that's his collection, he's bloody multi-talented and has several drum kits. Private listing, new member, bank transfer, mmmmmm Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey D Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 £26 FOR A 75 JAZZ? Slingerland that cheap!? I know it's gonna go up, but only 10 hours left, you could still get a bargain. But why is collection and cash not offered?? Dodgy. I'd be tempted to bid and just say you will come and give him cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
99ster Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 I'd agree Chris - it just all smells completely wrong. A late 60's Vox AXC30 starting at £0.01? WTF? Be VERY wary... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwickhunt Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 I didn't realise everything was a 1 day listing I agree that I'd not be 'sending' any form of payments but I certainly might be tempted to make contact and ask if I could collect and pay cash; that sometimes smokes em out. Tricky one to call that! Go on if you're in London give him a bell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey D Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 Already sent a message to the blighter. Can' wait to hear his excuse about no collection on cash transfer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted August 31, 2007 Author Share Posted August 31, 2007 Bid away guys, they don't exist, I'd place my reputation on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwickhunt Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 [quote name='Beedster' post='53230' date='Aug 31 2007, 11:25 AM']Bid away guys, they don't exist, [b]I'd place my reputation on it[/b] [/quote] I'm sure there's a smart comment to be made but I'll refrain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted August 31, 2007 Author Share Posted August 31, 2007 [quote name='99ster' post='53220' date='Aug 31 2007, 11:17 AM']I'd agree Chris - it just all smells completely wrong. A late 60's Vox AXC30 starting at £0.01? WTF? Be VERY wary...[/quote] That Vox was used in a scam a few months back, the very same one. This guy I suspect builds a feedback rep over a month or so, pulls the big one, disappears for a while and does it all again using the same photos and listing Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted August 31, 2007 Author Share Posted August 31, 2007 [quote name='warwickhunt' post='53234' date='Aug 31 2007, 11:28 AM']I'm sure there's a smart comment to be made but I'll refrain [/quote] Agreed, I didn't stand to lose much did I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwickhunt Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 I thought I was on the ball with dodgy dealings but you de man Chris! How the heck did you make the Vox connection? I spot things that interest me, Warwicks, H&K, porn... no sorry not the last one but spotting a Vox duplicate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted August 31, 2007 Author Share Posted August 31, 2007 [quote name='warwickhunt' post='53238' date='Aug 31 2007, 11:31 AM']I thought I was on the ball with dodgy dealings but you de man Chris! How the heck did you make the Vox connection? I spot things that interest me, Warwicks, H&K, porn... no sorry not the last one but spotting a Vox duplicate![/quote] Funny how we just remember things. I looked at a bass he was selling last year and the late 60's Vox was one of his other for sale items at the time. You don't however have to be Sherlock Holmes to deduce that anyone with several drum kits might be dodgy! If he's in central London he'd need to be a millionaire just to store them! Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwickhunt Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 If it proves to be a scam (not doubting you Chris but after all you only staked your reputation... had you staked a teste or a bass I'd have been with you 100%) then it just goes to show that scammers are getting more adventurous and devious. This guy has made sales of similar items to build up his feedback and allay fears; items that were possibly purchased with some of his swag from his last round of scams, all of this just to make his sting more plausible. Now this is one seriously determined scammer if that is the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loudandclear Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 I have to say that is a very good spot IMHO this is a scam and a reasonably sophisticated one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwickhunt Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 I'll tell you what 'IF' this is what it is looking like it is one devious convoluted scam... have you checked out the sales that he has made? Almost everyone is an expensive item, sold to a bidder registered at virtually the same time as him/her. I hardly think that it's coincidence that nearly all of the user id's are someone's name suffixed with a number (scammers do get lazy). Someone tell me that they don't find that odd! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted August 31, 2007 Author Share Posted August 31, 2007 [quote name='warwickhunt' post='53279' date='Aug 31 2007, 12:25 PM']I'll tell you what 'IF' this is what it is looking like it is one devious convoluted scam... have you checked out the sales that he has made? Almost everyone is an expensive item, sold to a bidder registered at virtually the same time as him/her. I hardly think that it's coincidence that nearly all of the user id's are someone's name suffixed with a number (scammers do get lazy). Someone tell me that they don't find that odd![/quote] Sorry to point out the obvious, but he buys and sells to himself. He probably has 20 or so ebay accounts at any one time. He can afford to pay the fees 'cos the long game is so profitable. Note that only one of those accounts will need to be scrapped after the scam. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwickhunt Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 [quote name='Beedster' post='53285' date='Aug 31 2007, 12:29 PM']Sorry to point out the obvious, but he buys and sells to himself. He probably has 20 or so ebay accounts at any one time. He can afford to pay the fees 'cos the long game is so profitable. Note that only one of those accounts will need to be scrapped after the scam. Chris[/quote] You're right Chris, FFS this is one monstrous convoluted sting. Everyone of the user ids that he has sold to you can track through and see that they have all made sales to each other! The only items that they have sold that aren't private listings are expensive items to one another. How the hell can eBay not spot so many accounts registered to 1 person and why don't they start making some f*ckin effort! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted August 31, 2007 Author Share Posted August 31, 2007 [quote name='warwickhunt' post='53291' date='Aug 31 2007, 12:31 PM']For F*ck Sake! This is one monstrous convoluted sting. Everyone of the users that he has sold to you can track through and see that they have all made sales to each other! The only items that they have sold that aren't private listings are expensive items to one another. Jesus H Christ it's a 'kin huge scam![/quote] Inspector Beedster of the Yard is rarely wrong. I will never enter into an ebay transaction without cross checking all the IDs of previous deals. This sort of scam is to be honest weak compared to some, but it will still catch out enough people to make the guy a few thousand each time. You will find that the other IDs will then be used for scams using the feedbacks gained through the process. Ebay know it happens but recognise that to police it would make ebay fees so high that everyone would stop using the site, hence my rant elsewhere on this forum that people have got to wake up and take some responsibility for their online deals. Several overly trusting people will be far less well off this weekend I'm afraid, and there's nothing we can do. However, they could have helped themselves by making their starting point "OK, assume this is a scam until proven otherwise". I saw it straight away 'cos it's unlikely that an 18 year old kid (see photo) has that much stuff to sell. From there, with a little logic, it's all easy to track Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted August 31, 2007 Author Share Posted August 31, 2007 [quote name='warwickhunt' post='53297' date='Aug 31 2007, 12:35 PM']FFS this is one monstrous convoluted sting.[/quote] It's not. If it were, we wouldn't have found it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwickhunt Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 [quote name='Beedster' post='53312' date='Aug 31 2007, 12:51 PM']It's not. If it were, we wouldn't have found it![/quote] I'm used to numpties that register as a new user and try to flog the crown jewels on a 1 day listing. I've never come across a user with a string of a dozen id's that has gone to the trouble of flogging a load of spurious items backwards and forwards. I'm no push over but at first glance I thought 'look he's made sales to loads of users that have ratings well into double figures and they aren't private listings', it needed a second look to identify the links. I take chances occasionally on items running well into £100s and I do the usual checks and emails offering to collect etc. (I don't always follow up with the offer to collect, I pay via PayPal and book the courier) but there is going to come a time when if it ain't at the bottom of my street, it's not going to be worth the risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted August 31, 2007 Author Share Posted August 31, 2007 This sent earlier today to ebay "This ebay member is listing items that have been listed previously by different members using the same photographs. All his feedbacks are networked and the all the listings are undoubtedly fraudulant. I suspect you will not remove the listing despite jumping on other members for relatively minor or innocent violations, but it seemed fair to try to warn the naive members who have already bid (it is a private auction so I cannot contact them directly)." I often wonder if the scammers al work for Ebay Trust and Safety Dept? Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted August 31, 2007 Author Share Posted August 31, 2007 Oh, by the way, the less stupid scammer will always run his scams on days when people have loads of money, i.e., payday, so always beware of bargain basses on the last day of the month in a private one day auction from a new member with networked feedback who plays several instruments but has given them all up on the same day and likes his payments done by direct transfer or cheque Now that should be a sticky! Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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