2pods Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Quote Hmm, interesting grey area. I have no experience in this field. They're not physical, are they consumables to DAWs like strings are to basses? Honestly, make your own mind up and if you think they don't count then don't bother reporting them. I'll add you the noo. Quote VSTs are in the signal chain, like a new synth, pedal or hardware compressor would be. Probably a tier 2 fail? That will be me out then, as no doubt I'll be buying more VSTs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard R Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) That's only my view, you can appeal to @neepheid. And it’s only tier 2, which is the stricter version. Edited January 17 by Richard R Typong mistooke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard R Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 How about borrowing something (in this case a drum pad) on long-term loan? I think it's a fail as I don't actually need it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neepheid Posted January 17 Author Share Posted January 17 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Richard R said: That's only my view, you can appeal to @neepheid. I'm not the ultimate arbiter of this endeavour, I'm just keeping records. I've already offered my tuppence worth in this particular justification/appeal/enquiry/whatif, and it is no more valuable than anyone else's. It's just a bit of fun at the end of the day. Edited January 17 by neepheid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neepheid Posted January 17 Author Share Posted January 17 10 minutes ago, Richard R said: How about borrowing something (in this case a drum pad) on long-term loan? I think it's a fail as I don't actually need it... I don't think loans count. It's not yours at the end of the day. Also, it's a drum pad - on a tier 1 level (bass gear only) who cares? Would only be of concern to people going hardcore, zero music gear of any kind. TL:DR, I don't think you're out because you borrowed a drum pad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neepheid Posted January 17 Author Share Posted January 17 19 minutes ago, 2pods said: That will be me out then, as no doubt I'll be buying more VSTs If you want to declare yourself out because of VSTs then that's your call, ultimately you will have decided that VSTs count as gear, and bass gear specifically. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neepheid Posted January 17 Author Share Posted January 17 How far down the rabbit hole you want to go is entirely up to you. I bought rubber feet this month to complete my pedalboard project. Am I out because I bought something which got attached to something which is used to house something that is gear? No, no I'm not. That's maybe a silly example, but perhaps illustrates how easy it is to overthink things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2pods Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 OK, then. Consider me back in, as none of them had any bass instruments or bass FX in 👍 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard R Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 8 minutes ago, neepheid said: It's just a bit of fun at the end of the day. Oh yes, but half the fun is arguing the edge cases. Especially when that distracts from (whispers... actually practicing...) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neepheid Posted January 17 Author Share Posted January 17 Just now, Richard R said: Oh yes, but half the fun is arguing the edge cases. Especially when that distracts from (whispers... actually practicing...) Excellent, replaced one distraction with another 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo85 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 58 minutes ago, Richard R said: Oh yes, but half the fun is arguing the edge cases. Especially when that distracts from (whispers... actually practicing...) Right, I have got another one for you then An audio interface. Bought for the purpose of online lessons. Tier 1 failure? Tier 2 failure? Does it change if it is used for something else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neepheid Posted January 17 Author Share Posted January 17 4 minutes ago, Paolo85 said: Right, I have got another one for you then An audio interface. Bought for the purpose of online lessons. Tier 1 failure? Tier 2 failure? Does it change if it is used for something else? IMO (as that's all it is) - Tier 2 failure, it's gear. Doesn't matter what it's for. That's the hardcore level. On the basic, bassy tier 1 level, you'd still be in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard R Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 I agree it's a T2 fail, but you don't have to sign up for the T2 hardcore/hairshirt version. I'm not. I'd be interested to know how you get on with the lesssons, I could do with some technique lessons and there are more tutors. on-line in person these days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo85 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 4 minutes ago, Richard R said: I agree it's a T2 fail, but you don't have to sign up for the T2 hardcore/hairshirt version. I'm not. I'd be interested to know how you get on with the lesssons, I could do with some technique lessons and there are more tutors. on-line in person these days. I am ashamed to say it will be guitar lessons! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neepheid Posted January 17 Author Share Posted January 17 1 minute ago, Paolo85 said: I am ashamed to say it will be guitar lessons! Then you're out, on general principle! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard R Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 16 hours ago, Shockwave said: Sadly that is correct. For about 8 months now, I am a picky bugger as well. You are very welcome to borrow my #2, but I suspect a 5 string bass currently residing in Birmingham with a partially jammed truss rod isn't going to be much good to you. PM me if it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo85 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 33 minutes ago, neepheid said: Then you're out, on general principle! That's fair😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quilly Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 On 01/01/2024 at 18:35, Merton said: I’m in! That's funny 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merton Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 6 minutes ago, Quilly said: That's funny 😂 I almost survived last year. I see no reason why this year can’t be that one step better 🤓 (Best not to mention I’m in Bournemouth this weekend so will be heading to Absolute Music to try out the Sandberg Lionel they have on sale…..) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quilly Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 4 minutes ago, Merton said: I almost survived last year. I see no reason why this year can’t be that one step better 🤓 (Best not to mention I’m in Bournemouth this weekend so will be heading to Absolute Music to try out the Sandberg Lionel they have on sale…..) Once you try a Sandberg you're in trouble. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merton Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Just now, Quilly said: Once you try a Sandberg you're in trouble. Thankfully my bank balance will not allow a purchase unless I sell things. Not sure I have anything I want to sell at the moment, unless anyone needs a kidney? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quilly Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Just now, Merton said: Thankfully my bank balance will not allow a purchase unless I sell things. Not sure I have anything I want to sell at the moment, unless anyone needs a kidney? Jan is a bad time to try and sell anything, I was trying to sell a pristine P bass and no bites at all....which I'm slightly relieved by as its a cracker of a bass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suburban Man Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Not sure what level of abstinence this infringes, but I've just bought a second-hand guitar strap - OK its advertised as a bass strap, but I reckon its really a guitar strap in disguise. Mea culpa, I didn't even flinch as I sent off the payment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quilly Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) 1 hour ago, Suburban Man said: Not sure what level of abstinence this infringes, but I've just bought a second-hand guitar strap - OK its advertised as a bass strap, but I reckon its really a guitar strap in disguise. Mea culpa, I didn't even flinch as I sent off the payment. To me this classifies as a "consumable" or "accessory" and not "gear" as such, now if it was diamond encrusted or made from something exotic like snakeskin you might be pushing your luck! ...but I don't make the rules.. Edited January 19 by Quilly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neepheid Posted January 19 Author Share Posted January 19 I don't make the rules either, they're by consensus. Re: straps - pretty generic accessories, I don't think I'd fail someone at Tier 1 for buying a strap - Tier 2, more likely, unless you're replacing a broken strap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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