ben604 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 As I've mentioned on my sale thread, I'm moving my "cheap" rig on because at any sort of usable volume, it just cant handle the low C. We've got a fairly loud drummer and the guitarist plays through an Orange Rockerverb 50 combo + 2x12 cab, so it's proving difficult to cut through down the bottom end. My question is, what should I be looking at to handle the low C at high volume? 2 x 4x10s, 2x15, 6x10, 8x10? There's some Aguilar GS410s being bandied about on a thread which I've registered an interest in, at 700rms each, they should be able to handle the volume, no? Any advice is appreciated. Cheers, Ben. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexclaber Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 [quote name='ben604' post='450642' date='Mar 31 2009, 04:22 PM']There's some Aguilar GS410s being bandied about on a thread which I've registered an interest in, at 700rms each, they should be able to handle the volume, no?[/quote] The pair could definitely handle that but not due to their power rating. If you want to handle big lows with farting you need enough speaker area and cone excursion. As most cabs are rather short on cone excursion (ability of the woofer to pump back and forth without distorting) the solution is lots of cone area. There are a select few cabs that can move a lot of air without having lots of cone area but the list is very short! Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joegarcia Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 I downtune to A through my Aguilar GS412's and they love it. Sooo deep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelios Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 I run my bass through Warwick Xtreme 5.1 and 611 pro. It loves it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben604 Posted April 1, 2009 Author Share Posted April 1, 2009 (edited) That's down in C? I'm a little wary of the Warwick cabs, especially the 611 as they seem to go really cheap on here and ebay (no offence intended!). I do like the shape of the 6x10s though. Edited April 1, 2009 by ben604 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexclaber Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 What amp will you be using? Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben604 Posted April 1, 2009 Author Share Posted April 1, 2009 That's another consideration. Something solidstate - due to the amount of cash I have. Otherwise, I'm open to suggestions. I've had an SVT-2-Pro, SVT-CL, GK RB2000 and the Hartke LH500. The only amp that blew me away was the CL, but after my experiences recently, I'm looking for something with plenty of head room! I was considering the Poweramp/preamp option using something like a Sansamp BDDI or Bass VT as a front end with my P and T-40, I dont need to vary my sound much... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynepunkdude Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 Just out of curiosity wouldn't it be worth looking into what amps the 5/6 stringers use? wouldn't they come up against the same problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexclaber Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 [quote name='waynepunkdude' post='451314' date='Apr 1 2009, 11:23 AM']Just out of curiosity wouldn't it be worth looking into what amps the 5/6 stringers use? wouldn't they come up against the same problem?[/quote] Indeed they would! Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynepunkdude Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 [quote name='alexclaber' post='451361' date='Apr 1 2009, 12:24 PM']Indeed they would! Alex[/quote] Was that a silly question ? :S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexclaber Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 [quote name='waynepunkdude' post='451392' date='Apr 1 2009, 12:41 PM']Was that a silly question ? :S[/quote] Not at all! People seem to think drop-tuned 4-string basses are like so heavy man, need super rawk cabs to handle it, but hordes of bassists have been playing 5-strings for the last decade or two and few drop-tuned fours go as low as a standard five. However drop-tuning generally goes hand in hand with loud guitarists, a rather different situation to a 5-string in a function band... Big lows at high SPL need big cabs or smaller (but still quite large) cabs that can truly handle big power through having high excursion speakers. Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynepunkdude Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 Awesome for once I'm not an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben604 Posted April 1, 2009 Author Share Posted April 1, 2009 Thanks for the input, I'll track some 5/6 string players down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelios Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 I am actually a 5/6 string player. The amp/cab combo i use does me really well, the sound out of the cab with my thumb is absolutly awesome and i wouldnt trade it for another cab, i am in the market for a Sunn head but i can wait for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben604 Posted April 16, 2009 Author Share Posted April 16, 2009 [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Genz-Benz-6x10-XB2-Bass-Cab-900W_W0QQitemZ220396756823QQihZ012QQcategoryZ23794QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Genz-Benz-6x10-XB2-B...1QQcmdZViewItem[/url] I take it this would do the trick? Anyone used one of these cabs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Foxen Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 I think the main thing is lots of cabs. More the better, better cabs means not so many of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzz Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Why don't you commission Alex to build you some cabs to meet your sepecifications? Chances are you're going to be spendings lots and lots of money on "commercial" cabs to get what you need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noisyjon Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 [quote name='Buzz' post='463851' date='Apr 16 2009, 12:33 PM']Why don't you commission Alex to build you some cabs to meet your sepecifications? Chances are you're going to be spendings lots and lots of money on "commercial" cabs to get what you need.[/quote] +1 A nice pair of Compacts or Big Ones would do the trick methinks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dread Bass Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 I play my five strings a step down so thats an open A which i do hit occassionally my EBS cab has no problems delivering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexclaber Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 [quote name='Buzz' post='463851' date='Apr 16 2009, 12:33 PM']Why don't you commission Alex to build you some cabs to meet your sepecifications? Chances are you're going to be spendings lots and lots of money on "commercial" cabs to get what you need.[/quote] No custom cab needed! The Barefaced Big One can whip every other cab on the market for lower tunings at high SPL, even sub low B. Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzz Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Do I get commission if he orders from you now Alex? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben604 Posted April 16, 2009 Author Share Posted April 16, 2009 heh, I'd love to commission a (semi-)custom cab, but I cant afford it at the moment. I'll have to scour the 2nd hand market for the time being... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simondee Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 I've got a similar problem. I play in a thrash band with two VERY LOUD guitarists tuned to C#. I'm still thinking of adding a 15er to my 2x12 just so the rumble cuts through a bit more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Foxen Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 [quote name='simondee' post='469611' date='Apr 22 2009, 02:06 PM']I've got a similar problem. I play in a thrash band with two VERY LOUD guitarists tuned to C#. I'm still thinking of adding a 15er to my 2x12 just so the rumble cuts through a bit more.[/quote] Don't mention you are thinking of mixing cabs in threads like this. Get another amp to go with it, and then another 2x12. Will be awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SammyDamacy Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 I'm in a loud tech metal band, (tunes down to A), I have a Mark Bass rig that seriously knocks the sh*t out my guitarists In my local practice rooms I use a Mark Bass 1 x 15 combo, only little but once again handles everything beautifully. Well recommended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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