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Quite a lot of them pop up on the Bay - some are Japanese, but some, more interestingly, were made in Italy by Eko.

There was a guy on BW who picked one up for a song - don't remember who he was, or if he's survived all the migrations, though.

J.

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Horrid Hondo here if anyone's interested

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HONDO-LAWSUIT-RICKY-BASS_W0QQitemZ110133932684QQihZ001QQcategoryZ41439QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HONDO-LAWSUIT-RICKY-...1QQcmdZViewItem[/url]

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[quote name='nick' post='10815' date='Jun 1 2007, 10:16 PM']Horrid Hondo here if anyone's interested

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HONDO-LAWSUIT-RICKY-BASS_W0QQitemZ110133932684QQihZ001QQcategoryZ41439QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HONDO-LAWSUIT-RICKY-...1QQcmdZViewItem[/url][/quote]
I'd give him the quid that's the current bid...

J.

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Here we go, this is more like it. Was tempted to this one myself, but probably have enough for the moment.
Interesting brand name. Maybe Bassassin could shed some light..
[url="http://cgi.ebay.fr/Basse-Stephenson-rare_W0QQitemZ160121889317QQihZ006QQcategoryZ92204QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"]http://cgi.ebay.fr/Basse-Stephenson-rare_W...1QQcmdZViewItem[/url]

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[quote name='nick' post='11224' date='Jun 2 2007, 11:11 PM']Here we go, this is more like it. Was tempted to this one myself, but probably have enough for the moment.
Interesting brand name. Maybe Bassassin could shed some light..
[url="http://cgi.ebay.fr/Basse-Stephenson-rare_W0QQitemZ160121889317QQihZ006QQcategoryZ92204QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"]http://cgi.ebay.fr/Basse-Stephenson-rare_W...1QQcmdZViewItem[/url][/quote]
Can't really tell too much from the pics - looks like a generic neck-through (you can see the central stringer down the middle of the body) MIJ 4001 copy, probably the same as Shaftesbury Rickalikes. Not sure who built these, but they're similar to some Arias, so it might be Matsumoku, but they have hardware like some El Maya pics I've seen - so it could've been them. That's the problem with copies - all look alike... :)

Stephenson will have been the importer's brand name, so no real clue there. It's currently at Eur241, or £163 - which is OK, but it still has 4 days left.


J.

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Pas avec un trois-metre bargepole, mon ami.

French seller with feedback of four, posting to mainland France only. Claims that it has all four original strings (!) and has never had any problems, despite knowing virtually nothing about the bass's history. Doesn't state if the electrics work at all. No case mentioned. Lousy photos.

I'd rather bid for the Hondo!

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[quote name='Happy Jack' post='11311' date='Jun 3 2007, 09:59 AM']Pas avec un trois-metre bargepole, mon ami.

French seller with feedback of four, posting to mainland France only. Claims that it has all four original strings (!) and has never had any problems, despite knowing virtually nothing about the bass's history. Doesn't state if the electrics work at all. No case mentioned. Lousy photos.

I'd rather bid for the Hondo![/quote]

I'm going to watch this. So long as price doesn't go silly, may have a punt.
I go quite regularly all over France on business, & selling location (Montsoult) not far from Paris, which is my next visit.
I've asked seller if local collection is OK. Then if it's no good, can refuse it.
However, all depends on price, which has already crept up to 280Euros.

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A "Rockinbetter":

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=330130375664&rd=1&rd=1"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...p;rd=1&rd=1[/url]

£499 BIN. :) Looks really tacky.

J.

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[quote name='Bassassin' post='13697' date='Jun 7 2007, 04:59 PM']A "Rockinbetter":

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=330130375664&rd=1&rd=1"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...p;rd=1&rd=1[/url]

£499 BIN. :) Looks really tacky.

J.[/quote]

I agree. 500 quid seems a lot to me. It's not old, made in China(?).
I normally love the older Tokais, but this doesn't do it for me.
Much prefer some 'vintage' Jap crap for half the price.
'Rockinbetter' also seems a bit naff to me.
Probably a great bass - I dunno....

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[quote name='nick' post='11523' date='Jun 3 2007, 07:02 PM']I'm going to watch this. So long as price doesn't go silly, may have a punt.
I go quite regularly all over France on business, & selling location (Montsoult) not far from Paris, which is my next visit.
I've asked seller if local collection is OK. Then if it's no good, can refuse it.
However, all depends on price, which has already crept up to 280Euros.[/quote]

hi all..

talking about this selling, i tried to bid on it and did'nt got the auction at the end. end price is quite high and there's a big problem with the seller. i asked him few times some détails and never received any answer. now that auction is over, i received a second chance offer which came from UK (!!!), and he ask to pay via Western Union ! of course, its a true swindling. i just wonder from where come the problem : the seller or another person who picked my email...

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If the email originated from ebay (you'd need to check the extended headers to be sure) your email is most likely from the the seller. In any event you'd by well advised to steer clear.

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[quote name='jihemt' post='14585' date='Jun 9 2007, 12:43 PM']hi all..

talking about this selling, i tried to bid on it and did'nt got the auction at the end. end price is quite high and there's a big problem with the seller. i asked him few times some détails and never received any answer. now that auction is over, i received a second chance offer which came from UK (!!!), and he ask to pay via Western Union ! of course, its a true swindling. i just wonder from where come the problem : the seller or another person who picked my email...[/quote]

I sent the seller two emails regarding possibility of local collection & questioning neck/action/playability, in French. Didn't receive a reply.
To be honest, I wouldn't bother - can't be bothered with hassle. If I had have won it & seller wasn't prepared to let me inspect it in person & collect it personally, could end up as a headache.
I think this was accurately summed up in an earlier post - 'bargepole...'

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i totally agree... it was an interesting bass howewer.. i have an early Ibanez 2388b, mapleglo, whith the big humbucker treble pu and the most i play it, the most i love the sound, which is somewhere between a real rick and a Pbass..
theses days, i was looking for a real rick, a jetglo, which was the most common, but prices are now too high.

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A Shaftesbury:

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=002&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=120130590110&rd=1&rd=1"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...p;rd=1&rd=1[/url]

Apparently the fact it's been touched by some talentless oxygen thieves is a point of interest.

J.

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looks good...i'd like to find one in jetglo ! but i only saw the one in bass center, which is too expensive and look quite ugly with its strange bridge pu...

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[quote name='jihemt' post='15404' date='Jun 11 2007, 07:06 AM']looks good...i'd like to find one in jetglo ! but i only saw the one in bass center, which is too expensive and look quite ugly with its strange bridge pu...[/quote]

Dunno why, but most of the old copies came in that unconvincing yellowy-pink fireglo, or maple. The only ones I can think of which were available in black were Ibanez. You could look out for a later Ibanez copy, which had "proper" Rick-style pickups rather than humbuckers - but they're even rarer than the type you already have.

A guy who used to post on BW/BT (not sure if he came to ChaseBat) had a left-handed one.

J.

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[quote name='Bassassin' post='15385' date='Jun 11 2007, 01:11 AM']A Shaftesbury:

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=002&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=120130590110&rd=1&rd=1"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...p;rd=1&rd=1[/url]

Apparently the fact it's been touched by some talentless oxygen thieves is a point of interest.

J.[/quote]

Oh! That one's near me. Makes a change. :)

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Another "Ibanez" surfaces ...

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Rickenbacker-Copy-Bass-Guitar-in-case-for-restoration_W0QQitemZ250130079834QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4713QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Rickenbacker-Copy-Ba...1QQcmdZViewItem[/url]

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[quote name='Happy Jack' post='17270' date='Jun 13 2007, 11:02 PM']Another "Ibanez" surfaces ...

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Rickenbacker-Copy-Bass-Guitar-in-case-for-restoration_W0QQitemZ250130079834QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4713QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Rickenbacker-Copy-Ba...1QQcmdZViewItem[/url][/quote]

Unusual to see a Southpaw - the only other I've seen is Deksawyer's (did he come over from BT or get sick of all the running & hiding?) and his is an Ibanez.

Strangely, if the number the guy quotes is a serial number, it looks consistent with Fuji Gen numbering, so it might in fact have been sold as an Ibanez. Wonder if it has checked binding?

J.

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what would be, according to all of you, the "average" price for theses ibanez copies ?
i'll maybe sell mine (maybe !!!) to get money to buy a "real" 4003 that a friend of mine plan to let go...
cruel dilemmna !! :)

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[quote name='jihemt' post='17745' date='Jun 14 2007, 05:45 PM']what would be, according to all of you, the "average" price for theses ibanez copies ?
i'll maybe sell mine (maybe !!!) to get money to buy a "real" 4003 that a friend of mine plan to let go...
cruel dilemmna !! :)[/quote]
Depends if you can get an Ebay auction to run to completion without it being pulled by the RickenCops. I've seen them fetch around, and slightly over, £500. That's specifically Ibanez-branded ones, because Ebay idiots will pay a premium for that name. I've often commented on the ridiculousness of that, given that I've seen real Ricks sell outside Ebay for not much more.

Your Ibanez probably wouldn't get as much in a private sale, though - "Ebay Madness" is a big factor!

How much is your friend looking for for the 4003?

J.

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mmmh..if i sell it, i'll stay away from ebay i think. on a first time, i'll try to propose it on this topic for some serious "connoisseurs !'
my friend is selling its 4003 for 1200 euros, which is less than all i see here in France.. (ok, its a friend price and he know that i play many Macca titles !)..

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[quote name='jihemt' post='17779' date='Jun 14 2007, 06:43 PM']mmmh..if i sell it, i'll stay away from ebay i think. on a first time, i'll try to propose it on this topic for some serious "connoisseurs !'
my friend is selling its 4003 for 1200 euros, which is less than all i see here in France.. (ok, its a friend price and he know that i play many Macca titles !)..[/quote]

€1200 is a very good price for a Rick, particularly if it's in good condition.

As far as your Ibanez is concerned, outside of Ebay - and particularly on here, if that's what you're planning, I doubt you'll get anything like the €740 you might get on Ebay. I might be wrong, but I think you'll have to be prepared to accept quite a bit less.

Considering how rare the Ibanez Rick copies are, I think you'd be better off keeping it, and maybe looking at other ways of raising the money. The Ibanez will become more rare & more collectable, after all.

J.

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its a wise advise... i'd like to keep it, and as you say, i see that theses basses are very rare now. i really love the sound of my ibanez : pu's are very punchy, and, imho, better sounding that real rick ones. as i already played on a 4001 in the past, i can compare. the "rick" sound is quite easy to obtain with the ibanez. it make theses copies more versatile than real rick..
and constructionwise, ibanez are problably almost as good than rick basses...
i'll wait.. prices will probably decrease for real ones after the crazyness of theses days...

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the Shaftesbury's seller had been pulled off Ebay... don't know if its due to the Rickenbacker police or not..
either it was too explicit for rickenbacker either its another swindler, as for the French last copy on ebay... :)

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