lowdown Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 [quote name='2wheeler' post='257758' date='Aug 8 2008, 07:49 AM']With due respect to my esteemed colleagues who have uploaded transcriptions, the rhythmic structure of the bass line is a 3/2 Latin clave diminished to one bar. So each bar is based on: dotted quaver, dotted quaver, crotchet, quaver, crotchet Then there are embellishments on top of that (rests and extra notes) but that's more down to feeling it at the time, I would argue. I would wait and see what the drummer is up to before adding too much of that. Lincoln Goines and Robby Ameen have put together a great book called "Funkifying the Clave" about the mechanics of afro-cuban rhythms, including how they influence rock and pop. You don't have to work your way through the book to play Valerie tonight but it's a good one to add to the collection and it is very relevant here so I couldn't resist a little plug [/quote] Yep that is a great Book and a must...... I have the first edition complete with Cassette tape... My chart reference was to 'OTPJ', and that it was in 4/4. It has a heavy snare back beat on 2 and 4 so being a pop/soul tune was in 4/4. 4 Stick counts at start , but of course that could be read as 'One two.two two' Then making it....................... [attachment=11779:img040.jpg] I think you might be over complicating a p**s easy pop tune , sung by a raving Drug ridden, Gin sodden old looking trout [ who sings great when she is sober.. ] Garry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tauzero Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 [quote name='OutToPlayJazz' post='257502' date='Aug 7 2008, 07:24 PM']Hi Garry, I think you're right there. It does vary a little in places. I was mainly going for the bones of the piece so that Mewsie could get through it for her audition. Not bad for a 30 minute takedown, though [/quote] I hate to tell you this, but in bar 4 you've flatted the flats... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merton Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 [quote name='OutToPlayJazz' post='257591' date='Aug 7 2008, 09:06 PM']I think there was some spat many years ago between Bon Jovi & Belinda Carlisle. They both produced songs with the same bassline and one tried to sue the other. It was thrown out though, as it was purely coincidental.[/quote] Livin On A Prayer and Heaven Is A Place On Earth! I like it when we play those two next to each other in the set, means my brain can switch off As for the chart idea, I think it would be awesmoe if we can do it. I have worked out Wake Me Up Before You Go Go and then compared it to some tabs online and the tabs are NOTHING like what I figured out... Thesedays I do a far more simplified version anyway, no-one needs bass histrionics at their wedding! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_bass5 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 [quote name='Merton' post='261533' date='Aug 13 2008, 01:32 PM']Livin On A Prayer and Heaven Is A Place On Earth! I like it when we play those two next to each other in the set, means my brain can switch off As for the chart idea, I think it would be awesmoe if we can do it. I have worked out Wake Me Up Before You Go Go and then compared it to some tabs online and the tabs are NOTHING like what I figured out... Thesedays I do a far more simplified version anyway, no-one needs bass histrionics at their wedding![/quote] Sometimes we go in to Town called malice out of Valerie. Not quite the same rhythm but it works (we do Valerie in D so that helps). When i first joint my covers band i had to learn a lot of songs quickly. Its only recently i have been going back over some of these songs and realising how different my lines are to the original. It doesn't have to be exact (and never is) but it gives me something to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merton Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 [quote name='dave_bass5' post='261541' date='Aug 13 2008, 01:48 PM']When i first joint my covers band i had to learn a lot of songs quickly. Its only recently i have been going back over some of these songs and realising how different my lines are to the original. It doesn't have to be exact (and never is) but it gives me something to do.[/quote] Indeed. I think I can count on one finger the number of songs I do (almost) exactly, and that's Livin on a Prayer. Everything else is my interpretation or arrangement or completely different line for a different feel. When we eventually decide to do Valerie, as I'm sure we will, I will have to stop myself nicking your idea [color="#C0C0C0"][size=1](it's OK, I won't!)[/size][/color] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_bass5 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 [quote name='Merton' post='261543' date='Aug 13 2008, 01:52 PM']Indeed. I think I can count on one finger the number of songs I do (almost) exactly, and that's Livin on a Prayer. Everything else is my interpretation or arrangement or completely different line for a different feel. When we eventually decide to do Valerie, as I'm sure we will, I will have to stop myself nicking your idea [color="#C0C0C0"][size=1](it's OK, I won't!)[/size][/color][/quote] Funny enough Livin on a Prayer is also one of the only few i do note for note. We even did The Final countdown in to Livin once. great laugh (for us anyway). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merton Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 [quote name='dave_bass5' post='261547' date='Aug 13 2008, 01:57 PM']Funny enough Livin on a Prayer is also one of the only few i do note for note. We even did The Final countdown in to Livin once. great laugh (for us anyway).[/quote] Nice! Do you fancy doing dep gigs ever, sounds like you have some similar songs going on and are reasonably local? (Sorry for the thread hijack Mewsie btw!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_bass5 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 [quote name='Merton' post='261550' date='Aug 13 2008, 01:59 PM']Nice! Do you fancy doing dep gigs ever, sounds like you have some similar songs going on and are reasonably local? (Sorry for the thread hijack Mewsie btw!)[/quote] Thanks for asking and i would but i dont drive. I have a rig with each drummer to make life easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merton Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 [quote name='dave_bass5' post='261553' date='Aug 13 2008, 02:01 PM']Thanks for asking and i would but i dont drive. I have a rig with each drummer to make life easy.[/quote] Ah well. If we do any London gigs that I can't do I'll give you a bell and our drummer can pick you up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_bass5 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 (edited) [quote name='Merton' post='261556' date='Aug 13 2008, 02:05 PM']Ah well. If we do any London gigs that I can't do I'll give you a bell and our drummer can pick you up![/quote] By all means get in touch but im also gigging most weekends so might not be able to help. Let me know when you are gigging in London and ill try and pop down. Just looked at your website. Like the look of it. The tracks sound good. nice recordings. Yeah, you do a lot of the songs we do. probably about 90%. Edited August 13, 2008 by dave_bass5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merton Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 [quote name='dave_bass5' post='261562' date='Aug 13 2008, 02:13 PM']Just looked at your website. Like the look of it. The tracks sound good. nice recordings.[/quote] Cheers! I'm surprised the website worked, it's generally fooked at the mo and needs a damn good seeing to! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_bass5 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 [quote name='Merton' post='261571' date='Aug 13 2008, 02:30 PM']Cheers! I'm surprised the website worked, it's generally fooked at the mo and needs a damn good seeing to![/quote] It does seem to be a bit strange but it looks nice and the demo track all seemed to work. I cant believe there is another band still doing I believe in a thing called love still. thought we were the only ones ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merton Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 [quote name='dave_bass5' post='261579' date='Aug 13 2008, 02:47 PM']It does seem to be a bit strange but it looks nice and the demo track all seemed to work. I cant believe there is another band still doing I believe in a thing called love still. thought we were the only ones ;-)[/quote] We haven't actually PLAYED it for over a year, but if called upon to do it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_bass5 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 [quote name='Merton' post='261583' date='Aug 13 2008, 02:52 PM']We haven't actually PLAYED it for over a year, but if called upon to do it....[/quote] oh yeah, that what i meant ;-) How about Jet Are you gonna be my girl? sorry, this has gone way off topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merton Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 [quote name='dave_bass5' post='261584' date='Aug 13 2008, 02:56 PM']oh yeah, that what i meant ;-) How about Jet Are you gonna be my girl? sorry, this has gone way off topic.[/quote] Nope, not yet. Is it on our list?! And yes, sorry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mewsie Posted August 13, 2008 Author Share Posted August 13, 2008 [quote name='Merton' post='261550' date='Aug 13 2008, 01:59 PM'](Sorry for the thread hijack Mewsie btw!)[/quote] it's alright, i'll get you for it later. x btw: i'm in the band big thanks to everyone! sorry, that was off the topic of the off topicness, back to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 [quote name='mewsie' post='261649' date='Aug 13 2008, 03:55 PM']btw: i'm in the band big thanks to everyone![/quote] Well done, Mewsie! Thanks for posting the charts, guys. This popped up on the same day I was asked to learn it by my band; looks like this is the next Mustang Sally! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_bass5 Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 [quote name='Sean' post='262896' date='Aug 15 2008, 07:46 AM']Well done, Mewsie! Thanks for posting the charts, guys. This popped up on the same day I was asked to learn it by my band; looks like this is the next Mustang Sally! [/quote] I think even the singer from the Zutons has said he doesnt look on it as a Zutons song any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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