clashcityrocker Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) [quote name='Lozz196' timestamp='1390499088' post='2346106'] If I were going to have eight 10s I`d do in a 2 x 410 configuration so I had the option of using one cab for gigs where both weren`t going to be needed. [/quote] This, iv played gigs to 30 people in tiny tiny pubs,lugging a 810 in knocking tables and people left right n centre got old.great standing infront of one on a decent stage though. sold mine and only use a 410 now Though I am looking for a 210 now,just to get the volume more head height Edited January 23, 2014 by clashcityrocker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauBass Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]"...i get the ampeg is mid heavy and have used this cab before but wondering if there's something more suited to me, needs to be able push the deep lows i need, but still have nice highs"[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]You are describing word for word what the Bergantino NV412 is all about! [/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Compared to an 810 or 610, the NV412 has a more extended low and top end whilst still retaining a nice mid punch. It makes your effects sound so much better, specially overdrive. distortion and fuzz....And it's loud, very, very, very loud![/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]It weights considerably less than an 810 and it's very easy to move around.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Just to clarify, I'm not saying all this because I have mine up for sale, only offering my advice because I think it's exactly what you want in a cab.[/font][/color] Edited January 23, 2014 by PauBass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUI101 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Not owned a single 8x10 cab myself but did have two 4x10 trace elliot cabs. They both sounded great and it was entirely more versatile for smaller gigs. That said a trace 8x10 was up for sale on the forum for only a couple of hundred the other week, might still be there if you like the trace stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0175westwood29 Posted January 23, 2014 Author Share Posted January 23, 2014 [quote name='PauBass' timestamp='1390510178' post='2346310'] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]"...i get the ampeg is mid heavy and have used this cab before but wondering if there's something more suited to me, needs to be able push the deep lows i need, but still have nice highs"[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]You are describing word for word what the Bergantino NV412 is all about! [/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Compared to an 810 or 610, the NV412 has a more extended low and top end whilst still retaining a nice mid punch. It makes your effects sound so much better, specially overdrive. distortion and fuzz....And it's loud, very, very, very loud![/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]It weights considerably less than an 810 and it's very easy to move around.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Just to clarify, I'm not saying all this because I have mine up for sale, only offering my advice because I think it's exactly what you want in a cab.[/font][/color] [/quote] did consider a 412 but the only ones im familiar with are out my price range. andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tayste_2000 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 [quote name='PauBass' timestamp='1390510178' post='2346310'] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]"...i get the ampeg is mid heavy and have used this cab before but wondering if there's something more suited to me, needs to be able push the deep lows i need, but still have nice highs"[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]You are describing word for word what the Bergantino NV412 is all about! [/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Compared to an 810 or 610, the NV412 has a more extended low and top end whilst still retaining a nice mid punch. It makes your effects sound so much better, specially overdrive. distortion and fuzz....And it's loud, very, very, very loud![/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]It weights considerably less than an 810 and it's very easy to move around.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Just to clarify, I'm not saying all this because I have mine up for sale, only offering my advice because I think it's exactly what you want in a cab.[/font][/color] [/quote] See we need a 3 way deal, I get your 4x12, 0175westwood29 gets my 8x10 and you get his 4x10 and some money moves around. You wanted a 4x10 right? No? well please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0175westwood29 Posted January 23, 2014 Author Share Posted January 23, 2014 [quote name='GUI101' timestamp='1390510763' post='2346317'] Not owned a single 8x10 cab myself but did have two 4x10 trace elliot cabs. They both sounded great and it was entirely more versatile for smaller gigs. That said a trace 8x10 was up for sale on the forum for only a couple of hundred the other week, might still be there if you like the trace stuff. [/quote] dnt get me wrong do like the old school trace stuff but want something a bit more modern. andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andydye Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 There's a Hartke VX810 on ebay at the moment, currently v v cheap but in Bolton ([url="http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hartke-VX810-Bass-Cab-/141171756113?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item20de7e0c51"]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hartke-VX810-Bass-Cab-/141171756113?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item20de7e0c51[/url]) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacey Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 The drivers in the VX range suck. My Firebass head ate a Vx 4x10 for lunch. It's down to the drivers, 4 x the best 10" drivers on the market in an old re-furb cab will beat any 8x10 loaded with nastys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauBass Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 [quote name='tayste_2000' timestamp='1390511427' post='2346334'] See we need a 3 way deal, I get your 4x12, 0175westwood29 gets my 8x10 and you get his 4x10 and some money moves around. You wanted a 4x10 right? No? well please [/quote] Good idea!...wait, I don't need a 4x10 cab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tayste_2000 Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Exactly or do you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ern500evo Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 [quote name='winterfire666' timestamp='1390493613' post='2346017'] these are epic, and a great price too http://basschat.co.uk/topic/225953-mesa-boogie-powerhouse-4x10-15-for-sale-l495-price-drop/ from your list i would be on the lookout for an SWR but the mesa is easily as good if not better. [/quote] If I was in the market for a big cab, I'd be on that Mesa in a shot. I know it's not an 810 but they are immense! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0175westwood29 Posted January 24, 2014 Author Share Posted January 24, 2014 [quote name='tayste_2000' timestamp='1390579662' post='2347205'] Exactly or do you [/quote] its very nice and orange lol that hartke's a bit to old liking the look of the swr, but have played thru ashdown cabs at our practice space and was impressed, and the mag 810 could be grabbed new for about 450, i know i cant take video online to seriously but its something to go on. andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The fasting showman Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 [quote name='0175westwood29' timestamp='1390597881' post='2347501'] its very nice and orange lol that hartke's a bit to old liking the look of the swr, but have played thru ashdown cabs at our practice space and was impressed, and the mag 810 could be grabbed new for about 450, i know i cant take video online to seriously but its something to go on. andy [/quote]As I said earlier I've been very pleasantly surprised by my Mag 810, not a dark sounding cab by any means and pairs very well with my old GKs. There's always one on ebay for £200, should be easy to sell on if you don't like it. I'm finding the nearfield sound great on stage, I run it at the volume of the drums and don't have to work the head hard at all to generate low end. My old SVT setup used to project the sound past me and only sounded great in the crowd but I'm finding this rig relatively consistent around a room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0175westwood29 Posted January 25, 2014 Author Share Posted January 25, 2014 [quote name='The fasting showman' timestamp='1390650514' post='2347884'] As I said earlier I've been very pleasantly surprised by my Mag 810, not a dark sounding cab by any means and pairs very well with my old GKs. There's always one on ebay for £200, should be easy to sell on if you don't like it. I'm finding the nearfield sound great on stage, I run it at the volume of the drums and don't have to work the head hard at all to generate low end. My old SVT setup used to project the sound past me and only sounded great in the crowd but I'm finding this rig relatively consistent around a room. [/quote] cool may try and find one to try out. andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan670844 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 [quote name='0175westwood29' timestamp='1390488896' post='2345958'] hi guys as the title says im looking to go up to an 810, wondering on any views you people might have on these cabs im thinking of. the classic 810e/av ampeg ashdown abm 810 ashdown mag 810t swr megolith peavey 810 laney nexus 810 i get the ampeg is mid heavy and have used this cab before but wondering if theres something more suited to me, needs to be able push the deep lows i need, but still have nice highs. so hit me with your views andy [/quote] I would seriously have a look at a 610 with a modern 6x10 you can unload a lot of watts into them. They have enough dispersion and volume to do pretty much anything. If you get onto a big stage, its normal to have the amp at a lowish volume nowadays anyway to get a good stage mix. An ABM 610 is a nice cab its got great lows and its punchy. £600 but they appear on ebay for a lot less than that. Ampeg 610HLF is also a great cab, plenty of bass punch and very tight solid tone. I havnt used any of the other so couldnt comment on there tone/performance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan670844 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 [quote name='0175westwood29' timestamp='1390488896' post='2345958'] hi guys as the title says im looking to go up to an 810, wondering on any views you people might have on these cabs im thinking of. the classic 810e/av ampeg ashdown abm 810 ashdown mag 810t swr megolith peavey 810 laney nexus 810 i get the ampeg is mid heavy and have used this cab before but wondering if theres something more suited to me, needs to be able push the deep lows i need, but still have nice highs. so hit me with your views andy [/quote] I would seriously have a look at a 610 with a modern 6x10 you can unload a lot of watts into them. They have enough dispersion and volume to do pretty much anything. If you get onto a big stage, its normal to have the amp at a lowish volume nowadays anyway to get a good stage mix. An ABM 610 is a nice cab its got great lows and its punchy. £600 but they appear on ebay for a lot less than that. Ampeg 610HLF is also a great cab, plenty of bass punch and very tight solid tone. I havnt used any of the other so couldnt comment on there tone/performance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shizznit Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 (edited) The EBS ClassicLine 810 is an awesome cab. For me, I have always considered Ampeg to be the best 810 on the market, but the EBS really holds it's own. Our support band a few months ago used one with an Ashdown head and sounded awesome. I had a quick go after the soundcheck. Really impressed. I am a little bias as I am also an EBS user, but I would toss a coin between that and an Ampeg. Edited January 25, 2014 by shizznit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0175westwood29 Posted January 25, 2014 Author Share Posted January 25, 2014 struggling to find anyone near me with the 810s im interested in trying? local venue has the ampeg, anyone in the south west have a ashdown or swr they let me try? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0175westwood29 Posted January 28, 2014 Author Share Posted January 28, 2014 ok so ive narrowed it down to the 3 that i think i want from the fact that its the classic (and can run as 2 410's) the ampeg, for the same reason the swr the sound is different but from alot of videos id be happy with taking a punt on this cab (again runs as 2 410's if needed) and also the ashdown mag or abm as tried a 410 cab again and its sounded nice so only be better as an 810. im tempted by the mag as i could get one new. andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The fasting showman Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) Hi Andy, As an owner of a Mag810, and somebody very pleasantly surprised with how good it sounds (to me and I've owned lots of gear and been disappointed with a lot of it!) I wouldn't go for one brand new as the value plummets like a stone. Mine cost me £99, and it was 8/10 condition very smart. This isn't due to me being a shrewd buyer or anything it's just that the guy advertised it badly; he omitted key words like 'bass' and 'cab' etc. There's one on ebay now in Cardiff that probably won't go above £200, that's what I'd go for. You'll be able to move it back on if you don't like it at that price. I only bought my 8x10 as I was playing in a band at the time where the bass needed to assert itself to sort the overall sound out, vocal PA covers band in big pubs where the bass has to fight it's own corner. Plus now I live in a house with a garage so storage is no big deal, I've not found getting it around a problem. I've been very happy in the bands I've used it in and the bands have been positive about the sound too, not degenerated into a volume war, just kept the bass at drum kit level; rock solid low E, nothing running out of steam. I think if you've got the space, and you drop on one cheap, I think an 8x10 can be useful. They are so out of vogue at the moment they can be bought for next to nothing. The Ampeg I had and the Ashdown I have now are just big chipboard boxes with basic 10's in them but overall they work well, just don't pay too much. A few good ones on here at the mo, the Trace 8x10 (Celestions) and the Marshall VBC 810 too. I think Derek Forbes' old Ampeg was on for sub £500 wasn't it? Check out Youtube if you want to see that one in use back in the '80s! All the best, Martin Edited January 28, 2014 by The fasting showman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0175westwood29 Posted January 28, 2014 Author Share Posted January 28, 2014 [quote name='The fasting showman' timestamp='1390906234' post='2351023'] Hi Andy, As an owner of a Mag810, and somebody very pleasantly surprised with how good it sounds (to me and I've owned lots of gear and been disappointed with a lot of it!) I wouldn't go for one brand new as the value plummets like a stone. Mine cost me £99, and it was 8/10 condition very smart. This isn't due to me being a shrewd buyer or anything it's just that the guy advertised it badly; he omitted key words like 'bass' and 'cab' etc. There's one on ebay now in Cardiff that probably won't go above £200, that's what I'd go for. You'll be able to move it back on if you don't like it at that price. I only bought my 8x10 as I was playing in a band at the time where the bass needed to assert itself to sort the overall sound out, vocal PA covers band in big pubs where the bass has to fight it's own corner. Plus now I live in a house with a garage so storage is no big deal, I've not found getting it around a problem. I've been very happy in the bands I've used it in and the bands have been positive about the sound too, not degenerated into a volume war, just kept the bass at drum kit level; rock solid low E, nothing running out of steam. I think if you've got the space, and you drop on one cheap, I think an 8x10 can be useful. They are so out of vogue at the moment they can be bought for next to nothing. The Ampeg I had and the Ashdown I have now are just big chipboard boxes with basic 10's in them but overall they work well, just don't pay too much. A few good ones on here at the mo, the Trace 8x10 (Celestions) and the Marshall VBC 810 too. I think Derek Forbes' old Ampeg was on for sub £500 wasn't it? Check out Youtube if you want to see that one in use back in the '80s! All the best, Martin [/quote] anyone know how low the cab goes? lowest id go is open a, but i have a rack eq with a 25hz high pass to look after the crazy lows hurting speakers. oh and the mag has wheels like the peg yeh? andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The fasting showman Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Hi Andy, My Mag has got a tiltback and wheels like an SVT 810. Regarding specs, and I'm really out of my depth here, I think the cabs can cope with low frequencies but not necessarily reproduce them. I think (ducks for cover!) that the essence of the 8x10 is the massive punch you get at 100Hz upwards and the tightening up of frequencies below that. Hopefully, somebody more qualified will clarify. Cheers, Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ern500evo Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 The wheels are probably the weakest part of the Mag, I've got one and 2 of my friends have owned them, all suffered with the wheels falling apart. I left mine at our rehearsal space and was gonna order some new ones, then someone decided to move it by tilting it sideways and dragging it, the result being the castor bracket went through the bottom of the cab, so it's now sat being unused and unloved with f***ed castors and a hole in the bottom! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0175westwood29 Posted January 28, 2014 Author Share Posted January 28, 2014 think i might look at upgrading the wheels or maybe grab a flightcase for it andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ern500evo Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 [quote name='0175westwood29' timestamp='1390911417' post='2351100'] think i might look at upgrading the wheels or maybe grab a flightcase for it andy [/quote] Definitely worth it, on the plus side you can get good quality castors fairly cheaply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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