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[quote name='bass_ferret' post='90152' date='Nov 18 2007, 10:11 AM']Then I can avoid it [/quote] I know you'd be on my side,If it isnt seen,It dosent harm anyone....

Strangley,'No more heros' by the Stranglers always seemed to work in an old coverband I worked in...But Motown/Stax stuff always hits the nail on the head!

Yeah Milks horrid,esp in summer..... and it clings to everything.

[quote name='Sibob' post='90107' date='Nov 18 2007, 03:47 AM']We're all playing Bass right! Whats the difference? Si[/quote] Can you find me a .015 string thats 35" scale in length? In the UK? To have the FIRST dedicated ERB discussion group in the UK! Amplification and technique...... A place where we can go without the snide and stupid. If we are so different and alien,then why shouldnt we have a seperate place! (I cant see it being difficult to create)

I would like to see and ERB sub(harmonic?!?)forumsection for Basschat. Please. It seem as there is a fair few 6+stringers on site,and It would be nice to find out who is who and where they are in the UK,and what is being used? Its hard enough finding info out in this country regarding ERB musicians/bands/players etc etc. And I think this would help us get together in one cohesive unit rather than the fragments that team up when our instruments come under fire. If Limited players see us as 'different' then so be it,but we have the right ,like the DoubleBass persons, to have our piece of land,so go on I see no reason why this shouldnt come to pass........ DO THE RIGHT THING! I would also like to moderate it. (oh would you now???..yes....I would). Thankyou. xRx

Double cool!

Any of you guys into Coroner?

Tech21=Metaltone.... Ashdowns......could be worse,I deplore G-K...

[quote name='Jean-Luc Pickguard' post='87840' date='Nov 13 2007, 01:17 PM']Ah yes - A "producer" Switch[/quote] You mean a DDA filter (Dosent do anything....)

Dear Lisa... Ive used Ibanez pedals,and they do get squeally at large venues....and Ive an ancient one from 84 My guess is you use it either full on or not at all,that is saying..kinda...TOTAL overdrive to get an 'Industrial' dirt sound. (think Treponem Pal,Marduk..that superfuzzy sound).. well Ive listend to the MYspace and you dont seem to use that sort of sound an awful lot except for cresendo's or just to add grunt in that 'bit' that needs it... To be frank I think a simple FX like you have,as others have,pointed out will be just a bit to much in a venue,trying to stop it going into the Squeal territory ,just finding that sweetspot venue to venue,is to time consuming,what I 'think' you need is a decent amount of grind straight out of the amp. Best thing I can recommend Is the Tech21 SansAmp Bassdriver DI for Metal/Rock, Its built for metal,built from Metal,and is an industry standard in both recording and stage use..... and it comes as a footswitchable unit..has a lineout direct to the board..and a seperate clean signal to the board if you wish,as well as the standard output to the amp.....and its easy as pi55..to use. I have not used Orange amps,except old ones,and found them quite clean,and disliked FX,my mate used a Biamping system and just used his for lows (and a Peavey for highs),the SansAmp might be what you need,its tough as an old mother and after using one for over 3 years,I can say its never keeled over on me,broken or given up,and thats from playing weddings to Funeral Doom,plus anything in between. pricey at about £189 in Denmark st..online you can get them at £20 less,but its a hunt and you do pay for postage...so..... Goodluck

[quote name='7string' post='88190' date='Nov 14 2007, 12:31 AM']I've been playing a 7 string for a few years now and I'd like to pick up one particular point. As others have said, it's perfectly possible to play any bassline on an ERB which would normally be played on a 4 or 5 string bass. But if you have more strings, does that automatically dictate that you mustn't use it to play those kind of lines. I play and listen to quite a few different genres of music and if I'm working out something on my 7 string and then decide to jam with tracks on a CD, I won't necessarily switch from my 7 to a 4. Similarly a pianist wouldn't want less keys just because he/she isn't playing pieces which use the entire range of the piano. The ERB moniker only refers to the range of the instrument not to the music that should or shouldn't be played upon it.....[/quote] My keys player in the covers band,as well as the drummer have been the most encouraging and interested at me getting the 9,in fact every keys player Ive ever met and jammed or played with has asked if I have a 5 or 6 string....

[quote name='silverfoxnik' post='88178' date='Nov 13 2007, 11:58 PM']+1 - that's the best summing up of this whole debate IMHO. I've been reading this thread today and must admit that it's done my head in a bit - partly because I don't get what the fuss is about? As I see it, if people want to drive a Lamboughini in an urban environment and they can afford the taxes and fuel costs involved, let them! Or, if some people want to spend thousands of pounds having plastic surgery to look better, younger, sexier (in their eyes), let them.. And if creative, musical people who may have started off playing 4 string bass guitar (like we all did most probably) decide they want to develop their talents and skills by taking the instrument onto a different and new level, great! As far as I know, playing an ERB doesn't harm other people, infringe my moral, civil and legal rights and does in fact entertain an audience of punters out there who want something a bit new and different![/quote] Agreed,If we all stayed the same,what fun would that be?

This isnt the 60s,those times have gone,the studios are gone...those labels have gone,and music has changed. 15 years ago there was 2 possibly 3 ERB instruments worldwide,the 9 was not created until the late 90s (at Bill Dickins's request..Thanks Bill Conklin!!),the subcontra 12 was just over 2 years ago. Fender Had sold several 1000s of 4 string instruments in that timeframe,Upright players converting from doghouses to the Elecric Bass,a simple jump from 4 string instrument to...4 string instrument (Saying that Jamerson didnt like the Electric Bass and saw it as a very inferior instrument compared to the upright). Very easy instruments to make. And for the uninitiated,it was shorter,lighter,and more audible in bands. Seeing as how many people have a great difficulty just jumping one string up to five..or even two in the 6 string case (and as it is such a problem for you that these instruments you have never really played exist) I cant see uprightists then,as if this was the 60s,being able to play the modern ERB,in fact they would probably have a similer sneering 'thats a guitar...thats a Piano' attitude or an eagerness to embrace. Its a fear I find laughable,and in the latter a curiousity I enjoy. To compare one timeframe past to the now is a redundant arguement,in musical recording,writing,and consumer terms. ERBs are PUSHING the boundary, in Amp and speaker design,stringmaking,hardware...kinda like the 5s and 6's,graphite,active technology etc etc many years ago BUT REALLY going for it,and 4s will benefit from this,but they are NOT the cutting edge anymore,and like the developments in the past,they are still happening by little small ops in garages,flats,and groups in strange parts of the world. There are less than probably 1500 or a 1000 of us on the planet,and after finding out about the instrument,Ive had a lot of offers of work in many many diffeent styles and Jamming sessions with musicians,who,if only to see,the instrument.....its opening doors. And if it does that for me,then its not pointless to play an ERB. It dosent belong in the past,it dosent belong in the world of 1960whatever,its only link from that time is they are both plucked string instruments held like a guitar,It belongs in the now and beyond........ We write the music,as Ive said many times before.... "Bass is a word,not a restriction"

[quote name='bilbo230763' post='87940' date='Nov 13 2007, 04:34 PM']queenofthedepths - I recall saying I love Antony Jackson so I would guess that would mean I have heard (and seen in his case) ERB players and (in his case) enjoyed them. My opinions on ERB players is based on what I have heard - how can it be otherwise? What is your based on? What you have seen? As for valuing the opinions of others - I asked for them. Why would I not ask for them if they held no valule for me? My point is not objective (it can't be) - I simply have not heard any of the VERB (very extended range bass) bassists doing anything beautiful, emotionally satisfying, nice, groovy, profound or generally yummy. If I hear any, I will jump up and down, go all gooey and probably comission a 9 string. Michael Manring made me realise that, whilst I in no way like everything he does, you CAN make good music using tapping techniques. Same for Michael Hedges and a few other guys on Youtube. I just want to hear something moving on a VERB. If you hear anything you think will fit the bill, [i]please[/i] let me know. PS - if you look REALLY closely at my picture, you will see a Status 6-string hanging up behind me. ooooooh!! Just don't tell anyone.[/quote] Hi fella,welcome back.... Glad to see an intelligent comment upon the state of recorded ERB playing,seeing as the instrument is very very very much in its infancy,the amount of musical output is extremely limited....and then what is available is very much subjected to taste,and in codependence,recorded quality. Forgive a patronizing edge ...and my possible inaccurracy upon your self and your knowledge,but my guess is you have little (Perhaps no) knowledge of the History of the ERB..... IM a bit of a swine and tend to,even as its a fault like anyone,limit my vision/ideas of what ERBs are,but generally I think or see the ERB as a Bass or Bass-scaled instrument (That being over, above or around 34+" from bridge to nut, the plus being needed for Novax'd instruments whose scales can be as far as 38"..even 40" upon the lower strings) of around 7 strings or more that can be tapped,plucked,strummed...etc etc,in the same way as say a/the limited range instrument,the ERBs predessessor and relative,the 4 string Bass Guitar,as envisioned by Leo Fender. Those are my boundarys,what I set as a vision,some say its anything beyond 4 strings...thats their criteria,but I have thouroughly explained mine. I hope this gives you a level of what I see as the instrument...what you have recently discovered (maybe??)...The Extended range Bass. We are not Piano players,though some of us strike the strings in a similer fashion to achieve 'effects',we just arnt,its a guitarlike instrument,based,as said upon,a previous,limited design,that was created to replace another instrument (and thankfully didnt) if only for convenience in recording and stage mobility (the DoubleBass...aka the Upright) You know the work of Anthony Jackson,his creative ideas,and his first collaborative instruments by Carl Thompson. This is a similer creative drive I suppose to what drove me and others to ERB playing,commisions of creation,ownership etc. Im afraid I Havent had the delight of the sheer depth of education or long studio experience of mr Jackson,and added that,we Have not the numbers of ERB players in studios making music right now,Im sorry that are numbers havent swelled enough,to be seen in an everyday fashion,it is a quite hard,but not impossible instrument to play....at last count with the assistant webmasterbloke of ERB.comforum Jonathan Payne, its near impossible on know exactly how many ERBs ,as I define them,or players of such an instrument,exist upon the planet right now....say of the 700+ persons attached to the forum,most (Jon reckons 50%) wont or dont own an instrument of 7+ strings,compare this to the 1000s that apply and are part of this forum..thats UK based alone,and the MANY MANY on TalkBass in the USA...we are a rare breed...very rare,In comparison to the numbers and years of 4/5/6 string Bass production. SO this lists what we have available to show you,what we can do,and ...then...what you like,at a distinct disadvantage..at being limited. We are sorry,we hope,as I attempt to try here to speak for all UK and European...no WORLD ERBists that soon we will play something that is yummy gooey,and so lush you drop tools and join us,we ...I...all of us would love another,obviously, tastefull musician among our ranks,not that we want to take over Gods earth on a Violent quest of subharmonic destruction...but...well....you get the picture! Going back to the numbers of 7+ string instruments on the planet,I cant give an exact figure,but we reckon (Jon and myself) that there are probably less then 250 in the UK and Ireland...and on a very conservative guess its probably less than 120..of that Me and Jon reckon 9ers number about between 8 and 20 in the UK and Eire (Its really difficult,given The Conklins cheap line of ERBs...7 string sidewinders and 9 string Dickens signiture models and what Odds Listerud Bass company in Norway have created and exported..plus the many many German/USA/Euro based indie luthiers..we dont have sales figures to the UK,and it feels a little impolite asking Bill Conklin and those companys what those figures are). Given our instruments youth,it is comaprable to the Fenders young growth,but we have to remember Leo just wanted to replace the 'Doghouse' as he called it.......and with that simple premise,the FenderBass became popular (along with Gibsons version...Rickys etc etc)..of 10+string players I reckon there number about 2 in the UK..One I believe is in London. So,in a very real sense,its,as the saying goes...' its a small world' with those in the community very much,linked and isolated by where we live and by what we play and who with,add the oppertunitys available,you see this gives little scope.......but we pass on encouragment to all parties,and tips on everything from string manufacture to pickup and amplifier even speaker layout and design....every new ,little detail and tip that helps us,we discuss,and send to each other,late night,online,across the globe. Its a VERY real sense of union through a common cause..that being music and its expression as an art through our instruments. (Yeah gooey I know) Basic support for trying something different,is a good thing I feel? You must agree surely? Given that its a difficult (for some) hybrid to play,its a brave person that takes the challenge to play an ERB in a band,some people are sadly so hostile to experimentation and change,that we are not included,and nor would we want to be.......as a fortunate result,we do appear on the fringes,some use the word 'cutting' edge, in extreme genres of music,in little gigs,sometimes in groups..sometimes solo. Some people just prefer 'Band music' others solo work,and seeing as we aint been about to long (less than 15 years really) its a matter of taste,as you are aware,some people HATE one type of music whereas others revel in it,so far I am sorry that nothing we as ERBists has pleasured your ears,but its not to say it isnt out there...its might be happening now in a little part of somewhere ready to be heard tomorrow...Dan(Dood) and I,QotD,7string,SeiBass are working on it,but its to what we like,probably not what you like,and thats the point really... I can recommend 'Holy Spirit' by Yves Carbonne as a nice tune,or 'Transcend' or 'Vanishing' By Jean Baudin (Who exclusivly taps his Bass in solo situations,leading to stickist confusion) and plays in a standard technique in his band Nuclear Rabbit (Im not a fan of the latter)...perhaps the works of Stewart McKinsey might catch your ear. If not then its a misfortune we do not have you as a fan,but given time,more of us are coming out of the (Ornate and highley figurative) woodwork...I hope to be one of those very soon. Please keep an open mind...and ears...If you say you have them,then the wait will be worth it! xRx

[quote name='7string' post='87635' date='Nov 12 2007, 10:55 PM']OK... I'm going to be brave and/or rude and ask how much it cost....?? I fully understand if you wish to keep this to yourself..[/quote] I have never revealed that price and never will,the only persons that know are me and the maker,not even my own mother...who has asked many times..workcollegues..mates....etc etc,has ever got the figure from me. Its my little piece that no one else can have.. so sorry fella,sorry,its my secret. All I have ever said is "Four figures"

[quote name='ped' post='87507' date='Nov 12 2007, 06:51 PM']I would love to hear it! Get some samples up if you can! Who took the pro photographs? ped[/quote] Gimme time,email Jim regarding the Photos,it was some bloke in Harrogate,does everything for Jim,hes VERY good.

[quote name='d-basser' post='87503' date='Nov 12 2007, 06:47 PM']Looking at that bass and not owning it makes me cry a little inside. I want something, then I want bigger hands lol (I have midget hands!)[/quote] Hey,easy fella,its easier to play than you think...handsize means nowt,its just technique,We all have something to add in this world....just make sure its something that does good. If we ever meet on a Bassday someplace,I'll let you play it first.

[quote name='eude' post='87186' date='Nov 12 2007, 09:42 AM']Congrats [b]ARGH[/b], that's a mighty fine bass you got there! The pro photos are incredible... How long did the build take? Eude[/quote] Thankyou very much...Thankyou. From the time of 1st meeting Jim to the hand over of deposit to the rest of payment...about 9-10 months.,you could minus a month if Allparts didnt take as long for parts.

[quote name='beerdragon' post='87128' date='Nov 12 2007, 12:33 AM']So you have the bass, What type of music is that going to played on, is the current band ok with that? or are going in a another direction.[/quote] It has the same notes as my other instruments and If the notes are right,the coversband are fine... If keys players can have 3 synths onstage,then Its ok to have a few more strings...Hell these guys are so great they TOLD me to not bring the 4 string anymore after they heard the 5,and the Drummer REALLY REALLY wants me to play the 9 at the North Leeds Bikers rally in March! Since obtaining the 9 Ive had offers of collaborations and work from Drum and Bass DJs,Jungleists, Ambient projects,a few metal bands ,an Industrial band,a charity record in aid of the restoration of 'Unity hall' in Wakefield,and Im auditioning for a Metal band as we speak...and Im looking for ,in the future,to perform with a solo female voice (Kinda Eno/Dead can Dance). All work is contact.....all contact is good.

Tech21...with matching 1x15 and 4x10 cabs.....Neutrik cables...little else. I like a dirty sound,and Ive always liked Tech21 gear ever since I tried their Bassdriver DI... plugged it in on a halfway point in a gig,the room rumbled...its quite defined.

And THE MAN of the moment,Bassmaker...luthier superstar Jim Fleeting [url="http://www.guitarrepairman.co.uk/"][url="http://www.guitarrepairman.co.uk/"]http://www.guitarrepairman.co.uk/[/url][/url]

Pro shots done 9 string Bass made by Jim Fleeting

[quote name='bass_ferret' post='86786' date='Nov 11 2007, 10:05 AM']Calm down Ross - I know you are excited about your 9 string. But I think the clips posted so far indicate the real problem with ERBs - all the music made on them that gets posted on You Tube is rubbish. Plus the fact that you are gonna listen to it on headphones or crappy PC speakers and its gonna sound even more rubbish. That Death Metal sounded like normal metal just two octaves lower - and did they have 2 bass players? Whatever! On my 'phones it sounded like sludge.[/quote] No John the problem is dumbf***s that have never had to gig to feed themselves,pay bills,,and keep a roof over their,and their familys,heads living in their small circles (re:local pub circuit) and thinking what happens in their local open mic is what goes....... full stop

[quote name='bnt' post='86756' date='Nov 11 2007, 02:38 AM']Porphyria? Porphyria?? What kind of band name is that? Sheesh... what's next: "Cancer"? "Leprosy"? "Anthrax"? [/quote] Amputated,Spastik ink,DEATH (brilliant band I might add),Sodom,Destroyer666,Immolation......yeah all your fave hits and MTV superstars

[quote name='Faithless' post='86780' date='Nov 11 2007, 09:46 AM']It still goes on... So, as I tought it could happen, I've started playing jazz and funk ( rock didn't go anywhere, still got it's band), I'm now thinking of changing instrument - sell Ibanez SR1005, and take more versalite instrument. As I'm looking for 5 string 24 fretted bass, it becomes sort of problem, when looking at Fender's Jazz Basses, buuut, things happen, and they released 2007 model: [url="http://www.fender.com/products//search.php?partno=0261000552"][url="http://www.fender.com/products//search.php?partno=0261000552"]http://www.fender.com/products//search.php?partno=0261000552[/url][/url] It has passive/active switch, Duncan pickups and other interesting things. It looks, this model came for me, but I'm waiting for your opinions, guys, on this thing.[/quote] Go and try it...as and when!