Ramirez

Because that might make the band (and therefore, by extension, the bass) sound worse? As well as all the other weight, transport, maintenance considerations etc. Is it worth considering a powered/active speaker, seeing as you just need to amplify a sound that you already like? Maybe a 10" or 12" speaker (Yamaha DXR?). Or there were those great looking cabs by Bergantino (I think?) that were basically a line-in powered cab but designed for bassists with external preamps and tone shaping.

I have a PF20T and the 112HLF cab for studio use (I run a studio and I'm a recording engineer) It's nice, and the fact that it acts as a standalone (albeit bulky!) DI/preamp without a cab attached is a very nice feature. It's not very loud, but I didn't expect it to be - if I want to gig it it I can connect one of the XLR outs to a powered cab (another advantage of being able to run the amp without a speaker load), though I usually use IEMs when possible. I did consider the 50, but I read somwhere that the 20 was apparently a bit closer to a B15. Who knows. It makes a very neat pair with the cab, so if you want something for studio recording and a good amp just for playing through then it's a very nice (but expensive, and simple) option. As others have said though, mic'ing a cab is not always done, and even if done, not always used. I have a bit of a love/hate thing with mic'ing bass amps, but the little 112HLF does what I want a cab to do nicely (I prefer it to the SVT-212AV at the studio.) We have an Ampeg V4B at the studio as well. I haven't tested them side by side much, but for me it doesn't offer much over the PF20 apart from the obvious (Ultra Lo/Hi and selectable mid frequencies), but is obviously much more giggable. I'll have to do test soon!

Very similar issues with mine too. Unplayable out of the box, absolutely no neck relief and the pickup way too high. Also a slight nick in the finish. I’ve spent some time setting it up and now I’m quite happy, although I suspect it would need a neck shim to take the action any lower (saddles bottomed out with the action around 2.5-3mm at 12th fret) Some neck dive, and it is rather heavy. Looks and sounds great, I’ve put LaBella 760s on mine.

That must be the one I’ve just ordered! Did you get your lighter one for £349 too?

Mic level XLR out into the mic in on the Scarlett is fine. Then use the gain control on the Scarlett to bring the signal to a suitable level- that’s the whole point of a gain control. You should look at getting your signal at around -18 to -12 on the DAW meters. Is the signal still too low with the gain maxed out on the Scarlett? If so, there’s a problem somewhere.

Personally I'm not a big fan of most 'studio desks'. They almost always force you to have your video monitors too high, which in turn wrecks your neck. It's always best to put monitor speakers on stands, so any kind of shelves for these isn't much use for me. Sometimes it's good to have rack spaces in front of you, but not too much - I think it's best to have the stuff you don't constantly reach for off to the side. It's also not good to have a big reflective surface between your speakers and your ears, which is what what happend with most desk with speakers perched on them. Having said that, the Zaor stuff does look good. I fancy one of the Miza JR desks with one of their 'gripracks', and a pair os matching speaker stands.

I don't think you've understood my point, because you seem to be agreeing with me! It's an instrument that's totally dependent on electronic circuitry. It doesn't matter if that circuitry is in the guitar, in a pedal or in an amp. A bass guitar does not make a nice sound on its own. The simplistic view is that only a bass into an amp is valid. But simply isn't valid if it doesn't give the required sound. Anything goes, because it doesn't really have a natural sound (apart from a pretty useless unplugged sound). It's totally dependent on circuitry as I said, so why are some circuits deemed more acceptable than others? It's nonsense!

It wouldn’t sound fine in the mix if it was played as unevenly and out of time as you say. Listening to solo’d parts is of very limited use. He’s a wonderful player. The ONLY thing that matters is that it works in the mix. It doesn’t exist for any other purpose. Part of being a great player is knowing what works, and knowing when it’s done. Endless retakes and having to come back another day doesn’t get you work. Perfectionism gets you nowhere!

“Nothing else needed IMO” This is really strange. An electric bass guitar doesn’t really have a ‘natural’ sound. It’s a rather weird sounding instrument that relies on a lot of electronic circuitry to work. What difference does it make if that circuitry is in an amplifier or in a pedal or in a computer? Why is an equalizer circuit in an amp deemed more ‘real’ than a phaser circuit in a pedal, for example? The bass guitar doesn’t have sounds that are more ‘real’, ‘organic’ or ‘authentic’ than others. It just has the sound it makes through different circuits. These circuits are then employed for their musical value. If a player/composer/producer wants the bass part to have a chorus effect, then your “Nothing else needed IMO” is not going to get the job done is it, because that “something else” is obviously needed, for artistic reasons. If you don’t want to use electronics, then play a double bass. If you’re happy to use an amp stage to make your bass louder, an EQ stage to boost the low frequencies, a gain stage to add some drive etc. then on what grounds aren’t you happy using other stages for other purposes? I understand that different effects might not be needed for the music you play, but that’s not really relevant to other people is it, and certainly not worth putting in an online thread.

I’m afraid not, I’ve only used the headphone edition.

I use it with AKG K712 headphones, and I find it to make a very worthwhile improvement. Though I prefer speakers, I’m happy mixing commercial stuff with that combination.

This isn't really true, though it's often claimed. Different microphone topologies do not differentiate wanted from unwanted sound (apart from noise-cancelling mics eto, which have no place in the studio!). The dry-to-reflected sound ratio is determined by microphone placement, polar pattern and room acoustics, not by the operating principle. It's often claimed that, due to higher sensitivity specs, condensers are somehow more 'sensitive' to picking up room sound. While true in a way, it is also more sensitive to the wanted sound as well, so the net effect remains the same!

£500 is a good budget. I've just brought a pair of Austrian Audio OC818, and I'm very impressed. The cardioid-only OC18 is only just out of budget! However, as great all-rounders that can do a top job on vocals, drums, amps and instruments, it's hard to beat the Beyerdynamic M88 (and M201). Not as immediately exciting as condenser maybe, but proper great dynamic mics (I prefer the M88 to the Shure SM7 in most scenarios), and you'll always find a place for them in any collection if you buy more mics. That can't usually be said for cheap condensers. Preamps are pushing snake-oil territory for me, unless you're deliberately driving them for some character. The ones in your interface are probably perfectly fine and indistinguishable from high end ones within 'normal' operating parameters (i.e. not being overdriven). That said, having also just bought a couple of Cranborne Audio Camden 500, their 'Mojo' circuit can add real character to a recording (if that's what you want), and make a great bass DI as well. Very impressive.

Good that you're sorted, but for future reference you should upload the original lossless master files (usually WAVs). Converting to lossless does not improve the quality - you can't put back what isn't there. Also, if you convert a lossy file to a lossless format, you risk putting that file through another step of lossy conversion, as will probably happen when you upload to Bandcamp. So, in essence - you have a lossless file (let's say a WAV) that's been converted to a lossy file (let's say MP3. Hopefully high-bitrate, but this could well be low quality). You then convert your MP3 back to WAV because Bandcamps asks for it. As I said, this does not improve quality. Its just a WAV version of your degraded MP3. This "new" WAV version gets uploaded, and then gets converted to an MP3 all over again, further degrading the quality. I understand that sometimes its the only option if the original lossless files are simply not available, but it shoud be an absolute last resort. Aled

[quote name='Chownybass' timestamp='1411127643' post='2556717'] I've got a USB bass cable but it only has one input. I was assuming (perhaps incorrectly) I could pop one device in each USB port. That mic looks good for the money. Thanks. [/quote] If you're on PC, I don't think you can. I think a neater solution for you would be and USB interface with 2 or 4 input. If you're certain you won't ever want to record more than one microphone + your bass/guitar DI at the same the Focusrite Scarlett Solo would be perfect for you: http://www.gear4music.com/Recording-and-Computers/Focusrite-Scarlett-Solo-USB-Audio-Interface/1379?origin=product-ads&gclid=CM2K9JKf_MACFYXJtAod1xMAhw However, personally I'd go a step up and get something with two microphone preamps instead of one, just in case you'd want to use two mics at the same time (acoustic guitar perhaps, or to mic up an amp, or to to do a stereo recording or... it's good to have the options!) - Scarlett 2i2 would do you then: https://www.musicmatter.co.uk/focusrite-scarlett-2i2?origin=google-product-ads&gclid=CK2KqeCf_MACFVGWtAodjFcA3Q PS I'm recommending the Scarletts as they're the only USB interface I have any real experience with. There are dozens that will do the job. Of course, going down this route means you'll also have to spend on a mic andsome cables - Rode M3 is a good, affordable and versatile mic for recording. Aled

Cool. Is that the Cluny 2 (the tiny venue) or the main one? Played the small one on tour back in April, great place. And awesome hot dogs.

[quote name='Al Krow' timestamp='1405190402' post='2499585'] Thanks Ramirez - good to hear a contrary view about the Orange cleansound issue... [/quote] No probs. I also did this if it's of any interest: http://basschat.co.uk/topic/238590-orange-bass-stuff-comparison-video/ It's not very thorough (and not particularly flattering to the Jazz bass sample as it was EQd for the P - I'd boost the mids and cut the bass on the Jazz probably)

Having been trying to find something decent and discreet to use as mutes for a while, I just thought I'd share that cigarette filters seem to do a great job for me (the relative thin Swan/Rizla ones you can buy for roll-your-owns - they come in a few varying thickness) They slid nicely under the strings just ahead of the saddles on my P. Quite subtle - hasn't overly killed the sustain, but deadened a few overtones,which is just what I wanted. In fact, it sounds ace and hasn't messed my intonation. Easy to replace/remove as well (though my P has a bridge cover) Hope it can be useful to someone! Aled

Cheers [quote name='Prime_BASS' timestamp='1402908272' post='2477659'] Through my decent headphones lots if difference in tubes sound. I can't remember but I think the second lot add a lot more highs compared to the first set, the 3rd similar but darker in voicing. Amplitude sim sounds exactly the same if not better through out though. Hard to tell as it switches between stuff so quick.[/quote] Interesting (though there isn't a 3rd set). I find much more difference between Amplitube than between the two sets of valves. Incidentally, I felt that switching quickly would make the differences more pronouned without having your brain lock in on the specifics of any sound (i.e. so you focus on the difference rather than the tone itself, to an extent) [quote]If you are looking for constructive criticism, then I would suggest spending more time on each sound clip it stead of the 1 or two measures and then going to the next thing. Also I would have preferred hearing them in either the 12'o' clock setting or the best possible flat signal. That way we'd probably hear more difference between them all. The mids are naturally cut on the tone stack anyway and you've turned them essentially off and boosted the bass, and lows sound like lows regardless IMO. The midrange will make hearing the difference more easier. [/quote] Not really looking for constructive criticism as it was initially done for my own benefit, with roughly the EQ settings that I use, but thanks anyway! If I was doing a proper demos of the amp I would have messed around with the EQ. As an aside, I don't think the mids are "naturally cut", rather they are cut-only. That does not mean it has to be mid-scooped. With the Fender Jazz example,I wouldn't use that much mid cut, but I think it suits the Precision (I also usually have a 5k boost from a Zoom B3 alongside a compressor, but left them out of the vid) Aled

The Orange is supposedly exctly the same as a separate OTB500 head and SP212 cab, which is what I have. Contrary to many reports, I have no problems getting a cleansound at volume - though mine is a later one with JJ valves. Don't how much difference that makes. I love my rig, but it is a bit pricey. It's very small, but also deceptively heavy due to being pretty much the size of a 1x12, but having 2x12s. I won't go into to the pros and cons of isobaric cabs here (it's old technology, not a game changer at all, but I'm happy with the cab), but I suggest you think of it as a 1x12 rather than 2x12 (though it goes deeper than 1x12). Don't be put by that though, it's bloody loud! Incidentally, I initially went for the combo, but issues with some speaker buzz. Orange replaced with the separates stating that there was a problemwith the combo line. This was a good few years ago now, so I assume all is well. I suppose it isn't a fantastically versatile rig (lack of tweeter, simple EQ), but I like what it does. I'd be happy playing most styles on it.

Hmm.... I might have detected [i]some[/i] slight difference through iPad speakers!

I'm struggling to hear a difference between the valves to be honest - and it certainly hasn't made much difference in terms of gain structure. The stock AX7 may have been abnormally low gain or something, as my Terror doesn't get anywhere near the same levels of distortions as others seem to get. The Ampltube is reasonably close isn't it. Though it's not a model of the Terror itself, apparently the Terror and AD200B shares the same preamp. I certainly don't feel the Amplitube clip is any worse than the Terror. I may even prefer it. It suggests that I'd probably pass spending on a real AD200 seeing as I have the Terror though!

I've just uploaded a video comparing 12AX7 and 12AT7 valves in a Terror Bass head, as well as comparing the Terror to the AD200B model in Amplitube. When I say 'comparing', I mean playing them back to back, and when I say 'video', I mean an audio track with three different pictures and some text, done very badly! I haven't spent much time on any aspect of this, but I thought I'd post in case it's of interest to anyone. Here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2K8x-dea-w&feature=youtu.be Aled