TimR

Earned? Deserve? I'll agree not to call anyone arrogant this time as it seems to upset people, but, come on, aren't we being a bit precious?

I agree. I would ditch the 15" and just use the Jack. Stand it on end vertically, maybe lean it back a touch, it will look better and sound better. I have a Warwick 211pro that is more than loud enough for most gigs and, if I need it, another one that I stack vertically on top of it. That changes the sound a lot. More bottom end due to coupling and more definition due to the speaker closer to my ears. Does your amp go down to 2ohms? A 4 and an 8 in parallel can be less than 4!

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1356304125' post='1909102'] Not "Working like a n******"? It's a song title and old expression. Not very pc now though. [/quote] Well basschat don't like the n word then.

Not "Working like a n******"? It's a song title and old expression. Not very pc now though.

If it's the Jack 210 you've got the frequency plots are very flat. You may be getting too much top end in your ears. Is that what you mean by twangy? Try putting the 2x10 underneath the 1x15. The coupling you get with two cabs should give natural bass boost anyway. If the cabs are not matched you should also check that they are in phase. First try one cab then plug the other one in you should get a noticeable increase in volume. If not, use a 9v battery and touch the terminals briefly to a speaker lead and note which way the speaker jumps, then repeat for the other cab. It should jump the same way.

[quote name='gub' timestamp='1356250183' post='1908307'] Damn it won't play on my pad , will have to wait until I can get to a big boy ! [/quote] Do a search. timegrinder has put the whole series on youtube and they're viewable on mobile devices. Here's part1 of the bass http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81N_fMNVFzw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

The rhythm one is very good. I think it covers Stevie Wonder's Superstition.

[quote name='Mikey R' timestamp='1356088336' post='1906606'] ... You play music, you meet odd people - its part of the fun. ... [/quote] ...and you don't think we're odd?

[quote name='dmccombe7' timestamp='1356085266' post='1906535'] ... Even worse when you've written the song and can't remember the bass line - your own damn part. Dave [/quote] I played the intro to the wrong song once. Strangely it was in the right key for the song we were playing but the wrong key to the song the intro was from. The guitarist managed to come in with something but looked puzzled. Then singer just stood there open mouthed at the drummer, guitarist and me happily playing this mashup no one had ever heard before.

[quote name='yorks5stringer' timestamp='1356040102' post='1906218'] If the world was not going to end tomorrow i would have written a very nasty post, but somehow it all seems a but futile now... [/quote] That's exactly what I mean. All very pointless. Quote my entire reply and add nothing. No wonder it's got to so many pages.

[quote name='yorks5stringer' timestamp='1356017940' post='1905794'] WTBWITW I'm stuggling to see how this topic has got to 130 posts! [/quote] Anyone who starts a strong 10 paragraph post is gong to get plenty of replies. There's a section in off topic about Rants. If you go off on one there's bound to people who disagree. The more info you put in a post, the more you leave out. The best posts are ones that have been carefully considered before anyone starts typing. Otherwise, as been said, you write stuff, delete stuff, edit stuff, then give up and delete everything and bring nothing to the table. We could have all agreed 100% with the OP and given him and ourselves a nice warm fluffy Christmas feeling inside. But we didn't. I don't think anyone has been nasty about it though, have they?

[quote name='mcnach' timestamp='1356006233' post='1905537'] It works pretty well for Lynyrd Skynyrd... and my own band, Sea Bass Kid [/quote] Indeed. It's for the individual to decide what their band comprises of, who is 'good' enough to play in 'their' band, what their market is and what gigs they play. Was the pub the OP playing in a pub that the guitarist regularly played and had an appreciative audience? The type of audience who like 3 guitarist bands complete with playing behind their head tricks. There is no 'better', or 'best', there is only 'what the audience want'. Big corporate events organisers want safe bands, who play a certain setlist, to a certain standard, dress in a certain way, to a 'fairly' sober audience who've paid a lot of money for a meal and music to dance to. Pub bands don't.

Careful guys.

Yes I know him.

[quote name='Chris2112' timestamp='1355881321' post='1904070'] ... It's probably worth remembering the old advanced driver adage: 'you're never as good as you think you are'. I'm sure there are plenty of professional musicians out there who have seen your band and think you're total hacks, that you were sh*t, that your sound sucks, that your two guitarists (who you spent so much time giving the metaphorical fellatio on page one) were dire and couldn't keep up in a Sex Pistols tribute band, that the singer was off key and the bassist was self indulgent, ugly, talentless and was repelling women away from the stage. But then I'm sure anyone who has spent some time at corporate functions has seen a wealth of useless 'corporate' bands who absolutely reek but think they are awesome. [/quote] This is pretty much what I was thinking when I first read the OP. I've since been corrected though as pertinent details were left out. The whole, we're too good for him to play with us, he'll ruin it, is something that a petulant child would say. Add in the reference to kickboxing - no idea what that has to do with anything. "We're really good", "the guitarist's are awesome", "the guitarists can play any tune", "we played an awesome gig", "He doesn't even know who (insert guitar hero name here) is." Some see it as scene setting? I don't. Learn some humility, it's unbecoming and embarrassing. I've seen pubs and clubs rammed with all sorts of bands. Entertainment is what is important, musicianship is secondary in most cases. Unfortunately.

[quote name='Count Bassy' timestamp='1355925105' post='1904544'] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]chaypup, on 18 December 2012 - 01:10 PM, said:[/b][/size][/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]+1 I'm afraid. Also, [b]Quote[/b] "Jimmy Page was 21 when he wrote 'Stairway to Heaven', I could play it when I was 18 - I think that says a lot..."Is lifted from somewhere- possibly Spinal Tap [/size][/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]The Comic Strip's wonderful 'Bad News' actually.[/font][/color] You may well be right, but I first heard it from Neil in "The Young Ones", (around 1982/3) [/quote] Nigel Planer who played Neil in the Young Ones played Den Denis in Bad News. Adrian Edmonson played Vyvian in the Young Ones and Vim Fuego in Bad News. Vim Fuego: I could play "Stairway To Heaven" when I was 12. Jimmy Page didn't actually write it until he was 22. I think that says quite a lot.

[quote name='DaveFry' timestamp='1355917537' post='1904358'] ... - Sorry for the OT . Back to Arseholes in pubs ........ [/quote] Indeed. Do I need to be worried as I play at least 4 Free songs and don't know who played bass on any of them. In fact I've played thousands of tunes by almost as many artists and would struggle to name 10% of the bass players.

It's a mechanical device. Moving parts wear. In the same way that strings loose elasticity over time so do speakers. Even if it is the high frequencies that are affected, we all know that it's the highs that define the lows. Bass is bass, what makes bass 'rumbly', 'tight' or a whole host of other fluffy descriptions is the presence and amount of high frequency. My dad had a pair of celestion PA speakers that must have been 30years old. They sounded very wooly, no topend definition at all. We swapped them with new drivers and they sounded different. The sound is going to change over time. We all accept that. The question is whether 10hours is noticable. 30mins is noticeable with my strings but after a year they're as dead as they're going to get. I guess the real question is how long do speakers take to stabilise into that flat part of the slope.

[quote name='KevB' timestamp='1355837022' post='1903344'] Was it his regular band though? Was it a very short notice depping gig that didn't give him time to properly prepare? I'm not saying you are wrong in your assessment but I think we all have to think before we start throwing stones. Personally I wouldn't have a go at someone about their playing after a gig like this guy did with you though so I can understand your grievance. ... [/quote] I don't have grievances. He didn't exactly have a go, just pointed out that some lines were wrong/not as per the original. Even at one point telling me I should use a pick and select the P pickup for one song. That's just beyond belief for a bank holiday pub gig. I could have pointed out that because the drummer was dire, the original line wouldn't have fitted, but opted instead to just smile politely and do his 'interview'. He's well into his 60s and playing standards that even I in my early 40s would have trouble playing badly. It wasn't wrong notes, we all do that, it was just bad, sloppy playing. Anyway my point is, you meet all sorts of characters, letting them wind you up or believing other musicians are inferior for whatever reason isn't good for anyone. The guy had apparently recorded with Tim Rice so something somewhere was wrong.

I think the point is you get people like this all the time at gigs. They big themselves up and usually actually believe they are far better than they are. Which is why my original post was so strong. A few years ago we were playing a gig. There was a guy taking photos and talking to lots of other people in the pub, seemed to be very well known locally. At the end of the gig he comes over and introduces himself. He's a journalist and bass player and asks if it's OK if he can do a review of the band. Sure, no problem, we get chatting. He's played on recordings for Tim Rice and Andrew Lloyd webber, depped for lots of different bands and played in West End theatres. Then he starts telling me how I had been playing certain lines in some songs wrongly that night. Fair enough, strange thing for him to point out, music is music, but listen politely anyway. A few months later I saw him playing in a band locally. I wondered if he was actually the same guy. His skills that night certainly didn't match his CV.

[quote name='bassintheface' timestamp='1355760640' post='1902314'] Tim - you're not correct ... Regarding how or what I spend my time doing and how I manage to fit in bass, wife, child, kickboxing, stamp collecting or even knitting is no concern of yours. [/quote] Fair enough. But you did leave out some pretty big details while bigging yourself up by name dropping huge venues. The only info I have to go on is you were apparently in the same band of musicians for 12 years. I'm sure you can see how that looked to me. You bought the kick boxing up. I thought telling you to chil out considering you were having a rant might have been quite good advice. It's music, we're all here to enjoy it, he's having a good time, just humour him and keep your distance. I've played with all sorts of deluded characters, typically the bigger the band and more money they make, the more deluded they get. Sorry if I mis interpreted your posts.

[quote name='bassintheface' timestamp='1355743447' post='1901977'] Ok, so this might turn into a bit of a long one but...... [/quote] To be honest you come across in your post as just as deluded and arrogant as this other guy. You've played in the same one band for 12 years, with the same guys from school. You're playing big gigs for big money and that makes you bigger and better than him? Good luck, but there's more to music. TBH, with those big gigs on I'm surprised you have time for your kickboxing. I think you should probably chill out and have a good look at what's going on around you.

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1355690569' post='1901460'] ... True, I'm afraid. As suggested, you should follow him out of the window and see what everyone says then. A good bass player and drummer will make each other look great and are the bedrock of any half decent band - but you are carrying him, and therefore the rest of the band, too. This is an unbalanced and unsustainable situation - IMHO! [/quote] Contrary to popular belief, it is not the drummers job to keep time. It is everyone's. If one member of the band can't keep time you're all shot. It's worrying that your guitarist hasn't noticed although not unusual. In one of the bands I play with now the guitarist's timing is terrible which impacts all of us, if the soloist drifts you really have to support them and if people are dancing then you're shot as well.

Do you mean your keyboard player hears the same thing happening to your bass, or his amp? If you're both hearing the bass sound change it will be your amp. I had a Trace Elliot amp that seemed to lose power. Traced it to a dry joint. When the amp got hot the resistance changed. A quick dab with the soldering iron fixed it

Well you have the option of going with the flow. One gig I lost my temper (unprofessional and I really shouldn't have done it). Rather than holding the tempo back, I just went with him. The song got faster and faster and by the last chorus the singer couldn't even breathe, let alone sing. She ripped into the drummer after the gig. Far be it for me to suggest such underhand tactics, a few songs played that will expose him pretty quickly to the rest of the band. You're currently covering up his shortcomings.