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8 minutes ago, Al Krow said:

 

Was interested to understand what led you to giving up on the IEM route / why they didn't work for you? This is the path I'm looking to encourage our band to go down - and if there are issues or problems that you found couldn't be solved be good to hear in case it's the same for a couple of them too.

First off I'll just warn of my initial absolute chew on getting a clean, undistorted 'bass' tone through my IE.  I tried Linsoul KZ10 from Behringer P2 wired to Aux out, KZ's into Rolls PM381 wired to Aux, KZ's via wireless to Aux out, I tried Hifi headphones via all routes which established it was a desk / output issue!  I'm under the impression there was some guitar set-up/architecture under the channel I was input to... just a heads up for that. 

As to why I didn't get on with IE themselves.  Several things, each of equal importance.  

1. I could never get comfortable with the fit of the 3 types I tried (KZ's + the guitarists 2 sets) and they always felt like a vigorous movement of my head would have them out.  I did try various size and material of bud but all 3 sets felt like they weren't far enough in my ear.  

2. The IE never inserted sufficiently to get good isolation, hence I had a lot of drum bleed which necessitated me tweaking/increasing the IE volume... which never felt right.  

To both of the above I could have gone custom moulded IEM but the cost given #3 didn't seem worth the risk.

3. With IE seated at their best and me not moving my head (difficult as I also sing), I could get them to work OK but I felt isolated from the whole playing experience!  Obviously I've had 44 years of playing bass live and the whole sound stage (inc audience) is around you, the IE took away that spatial sound... I suppose a bit like sitting in a room listening to something you get the reflections and room acoustics but with headphones on it is very 'immediate'!  

Plenty of people have no issue with #3 but it was plain odd for me.

If the man says it 'belonged' to him, then there you have it... me, I'd not trust him to tell me it was Friday... on a Friday!

Fair does that the item is pulled by the seller but with that response I'd be inclined to even doubt the COA!    

Hold the page...

Penny just dropped that the guy involved in this is Pete Barton, I'd not trust him as far as I could throw him (and yes I know I've put it here in black and white).  I made a purchase on ebay a couple of years ago from him (TKS cab) and he tried to pull a stunt on me; long/short paypal refunded me but he was an absolute con man.  In fact my tale of woe may well be documented on BC and I believe at the time, he registered on here.  I'd need to check but I seem to recall several people contacted me re. him and he apparently left a few people with a sour taste and he was a d*ck (their words).  

28 minutes ago, Downunderwonder said:

Ahem!!!

It literally is 1 acoustic guitar + 2 vocals at 'low' volume @Downunderwonder, we never play noisy or large venues... think café/lounge volumes.  In fact I've been known to take along just my Ashdown Acoustic Radiator (60w 1x8 combo with 2 channels); the regular set up is a 4 channel A&H desk into one RCF310 and volume barely ticking over.  

I think the limitations are more re the RCF than the @jrixn1 QSC but agree it makes sense to not put anything too low through either.  I have a Fishman Plat Pro in my signal chain (bass and acoustic) which has a HPF set at 45 or 60.  I set it and leave it so unsure as to what it is set to but it is just enough that it doesn't affect FOH sound but eliminates wasted energy in the monitor.

1 hour ago, Owen said:

I guess if the FOH is doing it's thing then the LF will be happening anyway. And if you are mixing monitors on your phone then there will be access to some serious EQ options. Therefore you can let the FOH do the heavy lifting, cut the LF in your wedge and save your back. I do really like my QSC K10.2 but I cannot imagine there will be a night and day difference between the RCF and the QSC. I will be interested to know. The QSC does have some useful on board processing. 

QSC 10 / RCF 310 - main difference should be headroom but the 10" driver is the limiting factor.  

K10 / K10.2 - this is where I'm on the horns of a dilemma (atm) as I have access to the K10 (series 1) but it is an unknown if the 10.2 is worth the extra outlay (used).  Gut says 'no' as I'm never going to test the extra power the .2 has, as it will never be doing heavy lifting (my monitor or acoustic duo PA) and I don't imagine there is masses of difference in sound.  On board processing would be nice but when I'm using it with a digital desk I can do everything pre monitor and when used with the duo, we have basic needs and a neat little A&H mixer.  

Moving up to a 12" RCF or QSC is starting to make less sense for my needs.

Good to hear this first hand experiences; 44 of my 45 years of gigging experience has been cabs and amps and I know what I like and what worked for me with those... I'm now just looking at simplifying/lightening the load in my 60's BUT I don't want a massive compromise (sadly IEM was a step too far but that is not the point of discussion). 

My present RCF310 is performing fine but I suppose I'm just feeling about to see if it can be improved upon for not a lot of extra outlay.  I've got the loan of a QSC K10 (with the view to buying the pair for £800), so I have the opportunity to 'potentially' A/B the RCF/QSC on Saturday but I'll need to be sure I'm not messing everything up for the band/sound-guy.  Shouldn't be an issue but I need to make fair comparisons.  

16 minutes ago, Woodinblack said:

The last paragraph is very specific - "For the last 10 years I have used A waterstone bass live every night on the number one hit START"

 

I saw from the jam in 2015, I took photos, sure enough he is playing a waterstone semi acoustic bass on start - its white.

Yep, that was my thinking.  Obviously he got 'this' bass from Waterstone or their distributor but the wording doesn't say that he ever played 'this bass' live.  I also have recollections of him playing a white one when I've seen him with From The Jam.  

Could be reflections.  If I were a serious buyer and it was going to be a big investment (unsure how much Bruce's name will add to the value), I'd certainly want to know, possibly even view.  I find the wording of the last paragraph to be quite 'specific' but maybe that is just me.    

5 hours ago, Downunderwonder said:

Being happy with pretty good is a good place to be. Methinks you have got the gas.

 

Otherwise you will have to define what is missing from your monitor sound  or your FOH sound that you feel could be improved.

GAS could well account for it, no denying that.    

'Missing' - nothing missing, I can hear what is coming through the monitor but I am on 75% of the travel of the monitor pot (not saying this is 3/4 of full volume) and I'm not playing large venues with this set up.  I'm yet to test the RCF310's projection abilities, without it interfering with onstage mics etc. so I don't know if a better quality unit might negate issues (though I appreciate volume is volume on a stage with live mics).  I'd also like to know from the experience of others IF I can get an improved tone/sound within a reasonable budget, after all you could argue a £100 bass cab will let you hear yourself as easily as a £1000 cab; they won't sound the same but arguably they'll do the same job.  

'FOH' - not in the equation.  I go from pedals to PA and it is for the PA guy to do his thing for FOH and then send me signals through the Aux so that I can set the mix in my monitor (via my phone).

He's not giving much info on the damage around the neck joint front and back.

2 hours ago, BCH said:

Ive got RCF TT1A's for sale on BC, they will outperform any 12" & a couple of subs..will do a package price...good luck

 

Great speakers but massive overkill for my use either as a bass monitor or for an acoustic duo.   

1 minute ago, Owen said:

Too short life is for bad tone.

In which case I'd go back to my backline!    

Just now, Owen said:

RCF 745A? As featured in

I am no longer gigging actively, but did have a brief internal debate about buying these!

They would be the mutt's nuts but 15" are just overkill for my needs mate.  

I don't mind hearing ANY advice, so long as it is based on science or reasoned factual experience (which yours is obviously).    

Loud band - no on-stage feedback experienced at any time.  I should add that other than my attempt with IEM I always wear moulded ear plugs.

In the past couple of years I've gone (pretty much in this order);

1.  Backline projecting to room/FOH with PA Aux send to 310 on floor as monitor for my vocal + lead vocal + guitar (guitarist uses IEM no backline) >

2.  Pedals/preamp into PA / FOH split into backline as my bass monitor (NOT projecting into room) with PA Aux send to 310 as monitor on floor  >

3.  Pedals/preamp into PA / FOH with everything back through Aux return to my IEM > 

4.  Pedals/preamp into PA / FOH split into backline as my bass monitor with PA Aux send to my IEM for my vocals and rest of band >

5.  Pedals/preamp into PA / FOH and Aux send to 310 on a speaker stand at my side of stage with 'everything' in it (excluding drums)>

I think that covers my journey and I have to confess the last few gigs with scenario 5. have worked pretty well.  I've used my preamp pedals (Fishman Plat Pro + Sansamp) with HPF to ensure no wasted energy in my monitor or PA.  'IF' this is to be my favoured set up going forward, I feel I'd like to get the best bang for buck that I can, with the caveat I don't like wasting/squandering money (not sure that last bit is always true).  I know the RCF310 is doing a good job but I'm asking these questions of myself and others, just to be sure I'm having the best experience that I can.  

A friend is loaning me his QSC K10 (series 1) to gig this Saturday to see if I notice any obvious difference between the RCF / QSC using the same size 10" driver.  The venue does have floor monitors but I'm going to get them to bypass theirs and go into my monitor.  I'm tempted to take both monitors and either link them, swapping them over from floor to stand between sets or just to unplug and replace each between sets.  

Interestingly a friend has a pair of the original QSC K10 speakers for sale (£800 the pair, very light use with covers)... now I need to research if they are worth getting or do I hold out for 12.2?

My situation - Play bass and sing harmonies in several (loud) bands and play acoustic guitar in a quiet duo.  I own various bass rigs but I'm wanting to move away from that weight/load and I've tried/failed the IEM route, so a good quality active speaker mounted on a stand at the side of the stage will be my rig and the same speaker could do the acoustic duo as FOH (2 might be overkill).  I'm presently using an RCF310 (I have 4 in total that I bought as a package) which is working fine but I feel I'd like to take the next step up.  

My shortlist is QSC 12.2 or RCF 732/932 but I'd not be averse to a similar quality 10" but I feel that to get the best from the vocalist in the duo a 3" compression driver would be best (don't know of a 10" driver + 3" CD).  

Am I missing anything (manufacturer or series/spec by QSC RCF) by focusing on these 2 options and/or could I get away with a lower spec version of the above (inc 10")?

I could buy a single of the above new, so that is my budget but I'm inclined to look for used as that's just the way I'm wired.    

I have one built into the Fishman Plat Pro preamp pedal, set and forget.

Approx... but pretty close.

(Cost of item + shipping) + 25%

Sadly not an official RW.

4 minutes ago, Bluewine said:

Late post. 

 

Sunday, the day after the " Po Dunk" Ringling Brothers gig in Baraboo,  we played a 3 hour acoustic gig for a 2 year anniversary for a brewery. 

 

The weather was fantastic and we had a nice receptive crowd.

 

Blue

Nice.  What have you got in the way of tone shaping between your bass and the floor monitor?

Just a small thing but we do a sound check with guitarist/vocalist listening out front with radio gear listening to the overall band mix (sans vocals), then I go out front (radio gear) to set the balance of vocals + band with him singing.  We also always check the same song so we know it has a mix of guitar sounds et al.

One other consideration which you may well have already done if you've been gigging is to start your initial set up with all of the EQs 'flat'.  I've seen people step up to an unfamiliar desk/PA and start setting EQs based on what 'their' system generally has set... before anyone blats a drum, plays a note or sings a line!  Once you have a basic set up you generally will just tweak for venues, so long as everyone uses the same gear with the same settings etc (bass drum mic always in the same place).  

I'm sure others more versed in the best way to convey the order and setting will contribute but I'll throw these observation in. 

• Have as much power 'in reserve' as you can, generally called head-room.  This doesn't have to mean that you haven't pushed the master fader all of the way up, it can be headroom in various stages of your equipment.  
• Do NOT allow band mates to back off on the volume they are sound checking at; guitarists dialling back the guitar volume, drummers not putting in the energy that they will when they start.  If they sound check at one setting then up it for the gig you have wasted your time setting anything!  
• Position your speakers appropriately (I'm sure this will be covered).

I'll likely think of more.    

8 minutes ago, Minininjarob said:

If someone says to me they have a problem with their PayPal account I halt the sale and block them. There is no reason to have a “problem” that isn’t self made and all genuine issues can be sorted in minutes as PayPal are very helpful. 
Been using PayPal for over a decade I think for personal and commercial reasons and if you follow their guides you will never go wrong. 
PayPal goods and services and I pay the fees for any private sales I do without having the item in my hands. 

Personally I feel the polar opposite; I've been screwed over several times and lost goods and money due to paypal's system/decisions... so it has gone wrong!

I sold something to someone (not BC) and they claimed via paypal that the goods were broken/faulty on arrival.  Goods were returned to me and they got a full refund... only the returned goods weren't the ones I sent and despite my photographic evidence showing different serial numbers they closed the case in the buyer's favour.  I also sold an item and the buyer claimed not to have received the item, filed and got a refund.  I provided proof of postage AND a signature on receipt but apparently it wasn't the recipients signature so I was left trying to claim from the courier who washed their hands of it as they had a signature from the person at the address it was delivered to.  I've had several other disputes via ebay/paypal and it has been a right chew on to get resolution.  

Hey but we each make our own decisions and each to their own. 

Yeah, we need to kick his backside but he gets the guitar parts great!