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Everything posted by Bill Fitzmaurice
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That's up for interpretation, but in any event the thermal power rating doesn't say how much power a cab can actually make use of. It's like asking how bright is a 100 watt light bulb. That all depends. Incandescent? Sodium? Florescent? LED? We can get the real information we need on a two quid light bulb package but not on a speaker that costs upwards of a hundred times or even a thousand times that. 🙄
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Most active EQs have similar plots. It doesn't show what's happening elsewhere in the amp. As to what sounds flat, you have to take into consideration both the coloration added by the speaker and the effect of equal loudness. Once you do so it's impossible to say that a particular amp sounds flat.
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That still doesn't guarantee flat, as most pre-amps have some degree of pre-shape. Besides that, speakers aren't flat. Chances are if you did get truly flat you wouldn't like it anyway, as flat sounds quite sterile. I've never understood why anyone would want it flat.
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If they were the same drivers in the same net cabinet volume per driver with the same tuning then all three 12s would have had the same output. Your experience shows the downside of what can happen when they're not.
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The notion of using a low impedance load to 'get all the watts out of my amp' is intrinsically flawed. It assumes that what determines how loud you can go is power related. It's not. While power is part of the equation so is the speaker frequency response, sensitivity and cone displacement. There are 8 ohm 1x12s that will go louder than 4 ohm 2x10s, so unless you have the exact specs on your current speaker and any that you're considering, which isn't likely as most manufacturers don't provide them, side by side testing is the only way to know if a change is worthwhile.
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Ampeg CL heritage speaker connection
Bill Fitzmaurice replied to slystewart's topic in Amps and Cabs
They may all be 32 ohms, as is the case with the SVT, so one must be sure of it. -
It was intended for use along with a TNT amp and cab as a bi-amped low frequency/high frequency rig. Another example: https://reverb.com/item/21762989-peavey-2x8-100w-powered-bass-bi-amp-cabinet-late-1980-s-early-1990-s
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We've all been through this identical question.
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My advice is don't double post. 🙄
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Absolutely correct. The second cab will increase both sensitivity and maximum output by 6dB. That's the equivalent of quadrupling power. Chances are the 350 watt amp will deliver all the power the drivers can handle. It's the rare twelve that can make use of more than 175w before running out of excursion capacity. OTOH the number of twelves that can take 500w without exceeding their excursion capacity is small, and they're PA subwoofer drivers, not electric bass drivers.
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I've been trying to call my local paint supply store but can't get a dial tone on my phone. 🙄
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Awaiting the first person to ask 'What's a blackboard?'
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This is a proper tweeter for electric bass: https://eminence.com/collections/bass-guitar/products/bgh25_8 Don't be thrown by the 25 watt rating. That's for the actual power in its passband, which is on average only 8% of the full system power. All tweeters used to be so rated, but it became too difficult for people to comprehend that of a 300 watt program perhaps 25 watts goes to the tweeter. In the cabs where I specify this tweeter I use a 4th order high pass filter that doubles its power handling.
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You can't do that. BTW, the usual reason for blown tweeters is that the crossover is dodgy, and does not provide adequate protection from low frequencies. They also tend to use cheap tweeters. You may be able to upgrade it, but no one can say how without knowing what's in there for both the tweeter and crossover.
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Not really. The product of cone area (Sd) and excursion (Xmax) is displacement (Vd), which combines with sensitivity to give SPL. To further complicate matters driver size, and in the case of multiple drivers layout, affects dispersion. There are no short and sweet rules of thumb, other than always use the same drivers in a grouping, and always have that grouping vertically aligned.
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If your amp is 2 ohm capable a BF Super Compact. That gives the option of running 1x12, 2x12 or 3x12 depending on the gig.
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This is a case where 1+1 equals 2, so long as the drivers are identical and the box net volumes and ports are identical.
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If it's bi-amped the crossover will prevent lows going to the 210. When not bi-amped turn down the bass EQ.
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Harke VX 8X10" speaker vs. Harley Benton 1x15" speaker
Bill Fitzmaurice replied to SeanT's topic in Amps and Cabs
That wouldn't be affected by the cab height, as low frequencies radiate omni-directionally. Mids and highs are directional, so the cab must be higher to hear them well. -
Harke VX 8X10" speaker vs. Harley Benton 1x15" speaker
Bill Fitzmaurice replied to SeanT's topic in Amps and Cabs
If it was high frequency feedback that's a possibility, albeit a slim one. If it was low frequency feedback it was just too loud. -
Not really. You can get by with a C weighted meter, for instance: https://www.amazon.com/Professional-Backlight-Accuracy-Measuring-30dB-130dB/dp/B01MZ0IUGY/ref=asc_df_B01MZ0IUGY/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312357852128&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=7748314164138405611&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9002322&hvtargid=pla-348660547600&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=62539486699&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=312357852128&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=7748314164138405611&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9002322&hvtargid=pla-348660547600 I was hired by a major outdoor concert venue that was being threatened with imminent shutdown because of noise complaints from the neighbors, despite having already paid a 'professional' sound control company $50k for a sound metering system. The complaints were about excessive bass up to two miles away. It took me all of five minutes to see what their problem was. The system was 'A' weighted. According to it the levels off-site never exceeded 75dB. But it didn't measure bass, so the actual off-site levels were routinely hitting 105dB and more below 100Hz. I wrote a new sound control protocol for them, then attended their concerts for three years to ensure compliance. It paid me better than playing, so I had no complaint. The noise complaints went away as well.
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In the case of under-hung voice coils the calculated xmax was zero. That caused more than a bit of consternation for loudspeaker designers. Eminence was one of the first to adopt Klippel. Circa 2004 they had to switch voice coil former suppliers, as DuPont stopped supplying Kapton to the industry. Changing the formers changed the driver specs, so they had to measure them all with the new formers to update their data sheets. They had recently acquired a Klippel analysis rig, so from that point used it to measure xmax dynamically. Most manufacturers have since followed suit.
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All drivers exhibit this behavior if sufficient power is applied to push the cone past xmax. However, at higher frequencies the voice coil may burn out first. Even when present one might not be aware of it when it's not severe. The fact that speakers have a point beyond which more power applied only creates higher THD has been employed by Klippel GmbH in redefining how xmax is measured. It used to be calculated by comparing the voice coil length and magnet top plate thickness. It's now the excursion at which THD reaches 10%.