Annoying Twit

Welcome Ed. Among my current learning resources I'm working my way through "Bass Groove: Develop Your Groove and Play Like The Pros in Any Style". I'm greatly enjoying and benefitting from it. And if I was organised enough to be able to stick with one resource and work through it methodically, it'd be this one. In the future I'm going to be getting "Building Walking Basslines" too.

[quote name='warwickhunt' timestamp='1386055957' post='2294995'] Common sense dictates you'd not have a leg to stand on... legally! Personally, I'd try straightforward reasoning with him over how he wants to resolve the matter because after that it is down hill and ultimately will result in a slagging match and not much getting sorted (the view of an outsider looking in and playing Devil's Advocate). . [/quote] Why would he not have a leg to stand on? I would think that there are difficulties, e.g. in proving that it was that band that caused the damage, if they deny it. Were there independent witnesses who are certain that the damage was caused by the band? And there would also be the problem of properly quantifying damages, which may involve obtaining multiple quotes. But if those points could be satisfied, then I would think that the OP would have a case and a reasonable chance of winning.Note however, that I am not a lawyer and tihs is not legal advice.

There is an unending stream of ex-demo etc. Tanglewaters on Ebay. Why so many?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/headless-bass-/291029738052?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item43c2b96244

Thumbs up for the bass face from 17:31 to about 17:37.

I have had two tries on two fretless basses. One lined, one unlined. In that very small sample, I didn't find they were much different, with the lined being a bit easier. But, the impression I got from those trials was that provided that there was some sort of indication, I'd be able to learn where the notes are.

Scott Devine strongly advises players to get a fretless bass with lines on them. [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKOUdzIYqT4"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKOUdzIYqT4[/url] What do other people think of that advice?

[quote name='lowregisterhead' timestamp='1385921265' post='2293663'] Gone. Obviously didn't bother someone. Still a bargain! [/quote] Yep, gone quite quickly. Did anyone on here get it?

Surely this is too much for what it is. [url="http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Japan-Cimar-Jazz-Bass-early-70er-/261343743852?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item3cd94d0f6c"]http://www.ebay.co.u...=item3cd94d0f6c[/url] And that description is rather off-putting. [quote]Early `70er jazz bass Best sound.. You need look after the neck.. [/quote]

Some Bass Collection basses that are collection only have gone for fairly low prices. E.g. I think one went for £115. This being collection only and with a starting price of £0.99, there is bargain potential there. Looks very nice to my eyes too. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BASS-COLLECTION-5-STRING-BASS-GUITAR-with-case-No-RESERVE-excellent-condition-/281218396838?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item4179ec32a6

I was initially surprised when I saw this as I thought that Status basses were quite expensive. But searching on here, there seems to be a Status Groove 5 string that is being sold and resold (if it's the same one) on BC for about £280. However, I'll post this link just in case £200 is still a notable bargain. [url="http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Status-Groove-Bass-Active-5-String-No-Reserve-/261343766046?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item3cd94d661e"]http://www.ebay.co.u...=item3cd94d661e[/url] The seller says 'No Reserve', but it's a "Buy it now". They may be confused a bit. Edit: Sold prices for a Status Groove on ebay are £300 and £419. But, those looked to be in better nick and had the original hard case, while this one is being shipped in a broken Hiscox case.

I had a go on a Rockinbetter bass today, for the first time. I have never played a real Rickenbacker, my comparison is my Cimar bass which is a copy. I only played the Rockinbetter unplugged, as I much prefer to test basses like this for the first time I play them. I liked the Rockinbetter bass, but I think my Cimar feels better. (But, it is old and has some quirks). I like the idea of a Ric copy as I couldn't justify Ric prices, but my experience of my Cimar suggests that this is the bass for me. (If not the Ric copy, then I think I'd be a Jazz bass kinda guy). I'm really not wanted to get into an argument, but I found this thread when I was thinking of posting a thread on the Rockinbetter. Personally I don't think it felt like a £599 bass to me. I'm no connoisseur of basses, so take this with a pinch of salt, but I thought that it was at about the same level as Mexican Fenders and Classic Vibe basses I've played. A nice bass, but it didn't quite have that 'just feels perfect' feeling I've had from what I view as expensive basses. It looked very nice close up though.

[quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1385812176' post='2292424'] The great thing about loops is that once you've got the loop going you can play a completely different instrument over the top. Just buy a guitar and be done with it! [/quote] I have guitars. My favourite is my Westone Thunder 2A. It can really do a Frampton like buzz. (Not fret buzz, I'm referring to that guitar sound that sounds a bit like a bee as in what I guess is Frampton's playing on George Harrison's 'What is Life?'). But, I've spent a whole life being crap at playing any real musical instrument. I want to stick to bass. However, while out today, I had a brainwave. I'm going to tune one of my guitars to EADGCF. That way, I can play it like a bass, except that it would have really skinny strings. I wonder if there is a better tuning for guitar, including possibly obtaining a custom set of strings, that would turn a guitar in to a better approximation of the top 6 strings of a 12 string bass. (And by 12 strings, I don't mean a bass with duplicated strings a'la Tom Petersson, but as in a mega extended range bass. I.e. to continue seamlessly from the top C of a six string bass. However, the top C string is already about 130Hz, which is higher than the E and A of guitar standard tuning. Is it possible to get guitar strings suitable for tuning higher than the high E of standard guitar tuning? [quote name='Kiwi' timestamp='1385812106' post='2292421'] There is a lovely 7 string fretless Sei for sale at the Gallery. [/quote] Looking at the basses you own, I can see that you can justify spending more ££££ on bass stuff than I can I'm sure it's very lovely. If I win the lottery next week, it's mine!

Now I've seen this and am gassing for it. http://www.rondomusic.com/WVEB833vsfl.html I must stop looking at USA based guitars. Once all the postage and duty/taxes/fees are added on, they're too expensive even if the original price is reasonable. OTOH, I think that Shine makes their 'Douglas' instruments. I wonder if this is available locally.

Higher. The B string is amply low enough for me, but in trying to have several layers recorded from the same instrument, it's good to have a good wide range. In the loop I had earlier, I was going as far down as the C on the low string, and in soloing, got pretty close to the 24th fret on the high C string. I'm writing the looper software myself. I'm planning that eventually it will run on a Raspberry Pi with LCD and footswitches. But, that's someways in the future. Some more details here: http://basschat.co.uk/topic/218120-diy-looper-project/

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1385762238' post='2292072'] Me too. Most 'bargains' usually aren't. Except for all the lovely bargains on Basschat, of course. [/quote] I was looking at whether there were inexpensive sevens after having a fun time playing my Shine six string bass. Which cost me £60. There are bargains out there.

I've been put off. While people who have them seem to enjoy them and a youtube video suggests that it sounds OK, someone mentioned a problem with cheap acoustic basses. Some aren't properly braced, and one person described a situation where it wasn't just a matter of the top folding over time, that the bridge on their cheap acoustic bass actually broke off and whacked them in the hand. (If I recall correctly, perhaps another body part). That really gives me pause concerning such a cheap seven string bass.

It seems this would cost about £172 in the UK. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fretless-Bass-Guitar-7-String-acoustic-electric-brand-new-/121216279269?pt=Guitar&hash=item1c390da2e5 No, I'm not joking, I am tempted. It ticks so many 'useful' boxes. 7 string. Acoustic. Fretless. I don't have any of those. Unsurprisingly, when I search on this, I find an owner describing industrial levels of neck dive and others advising him/her to put car wheel weights inside it.

Just been playing around with my looper software. After 'soloing' over a loop for a while, at the end I caught myself thinking that six strings on a bass aren't enough sometimes

I've just had a big improvisation practice. Certainly, thinking about singing length phrases worked. What also worked and helped was to think 'Phil Manzanera'. I appreciate some of his 'less is more' solos and accompaniments with Roxy Music, and when I found a nice tremolo sound in my Zoom B2, that really helped. I was using my own looper and my Shine SB26 bass. Another slightly off-topic conclusion I made tonight is that loopers and six-string basses go together like rama lama lama ka dinga da dinga dong. [I hope I'm not taking over the thread, this is RBC's thread, but improvisation issues are also something I've been thinking about a lot recently.

[quote name='turnupthebase' timestamp='1385672020' post='2291075'] This looks lovely...any ideas who made this fellas? [url="http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Electra-Bass-Guitar-MIJ-/131053991098?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT&nma=true&si=zcjK7u%252FNeglu84nMpcWjLLlvObI%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc"]http://www.ebay.co.u...cvip=true&rt=nc[/url] [/quote] Wikipedia says that later models were made by Matsumoku, but that earlier on a variety of Japanese factories were involved in their manufacturer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electra_Guitars

Can I add the question (which I think might be pertinent to the OP, but please ignore this if it isn't), but how do people improve their phrasing when improvising. I find that knowing which notes to use only gets me so far. Trying to avoid stepwise motion gets me a bit further, but improved phrasing is an important nut that I need to make progress in cracking. The reason I think this might be relevant to the OP is that I feel that working on phrasing is how I'm going to make progress in avoiding improvisations that are ".. too dull, boring or repetitive". Perhaps that might also apply to Robot_Pelican_Chin.

One thing I notice about some online bass tuition is that I feel that I want thing really, really, broken down and explained. Built up bit by bit. I quite enjoyed watching this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri4NDavfuQU Just curious to hear what other people think. Do you prefer bass tuition to really break things down and explain every little thing, or do you prefer tuition which concentrates on showing the final product and allows you to cut to the chase?

I quite like the sound of the bass on the live versions of Young Lust, though I thought that somewhere out there is a better version/recording. And Roger seems to miss the opportunity to do a bit more off a fill before the refrain comes in for the first time. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPqUprUXjwk[/media] Another vote for Animals. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Okd3Oyii7E[/media]

Major problem with this. Now I find that when I start trying to add some functionality, I end up just making loops and playing with the software rather than hard core coding. I've added a tuner to the looper, though it's a bit flakey at present. I haven't put anything in to reduce octave jump tracking errors, but as a tuner it does work if I ignore them. I'm hoping to create a bass synth in the future, and tracking will be 99% of the work for that, the actual synthesis will be easy. I've also solved, I believe, a nasty bug where the looper would crash when I loaded a saved loop. Turned out that I forgot that the audio processing was in parallel with the loading, and it was trying to play back a partially loaded loop => crashville. I've started creating a 'button' interface, which is to allow me to experiment with different interfaces before I add the real buttons. I'm aiming at an interface that will allow me to recording different sections of a song in real time. The looper now can store different mix setups, including muting of tracks. The 'button' interface allows quick switching between multiple 'modes'. In 'mixgroup' mode, nine (currently, not sure how many physical buttons the real things will have) mixgroups can be quickly accessed through buttons. A mixgroup is a set of track mutes, volumes, pan settings. This will allow the player to be very flexible in creating parts of songs with different chord progressions and switch between them. I'm designing an 'autorecord' mode where a player will be able to record different sections of a tune by playing them through, switching sections every time a loop is stored, and going back to the first section again. E.g. say a piece of music has three sections, A, B, C. The user would record one track for part A, and on storing it, will move automatically to part B, playing seamlessly through the change if they can play well enough. Then onto C, then back to the second track for part A, and so on. Once all backing loops are recorded, the user can switch modes to another mode where they can switch back and forth between these sections at will, meaning that there can be extended pieces of music with different chord progressions. It looks complicated when I write this here, but I think this will be simpler to implement and use than it sounds. As it will rely on mixgroups (sets of mutes, volumes, pans for tracks that can be easily switched). Hence, the way I hope it will work, a user might be able to do this. LOAD PREPARED LOOP WITH TWO DRUM LOOPS - Play bass line for verse (over verse drums) - STORE - play bass line for chorus (over chorus drums) - STORE - play chords for verse (over verse bass and drums) - STORE - play chords for chorus (over chorus drums and bass) - STORE - MIXGROUP MODE - SELECT VERSE - solo as they please (over verse bass, chords, and drums) - SELECT CHORUS - solo as they please (over chorus bass, drums, and chords) - SELECT VERSE - solo as they please ... (and so on).