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I actually think stadium arcadium is ok, but its just ok,it would have been a better 13 track album.

[quote name='ambient' timestamp='1457107437' post='2995456'] Well seeing how I personally have no idea at all, I'll bow to your superior knowledge. However I personally wouldn't want someone passing a high voltage through the sensitive circuitry of something like a modern class D amp. [/quote] If the person doing the inspection knows what they are doing they won't pass anything anywhere they shouldn't, the continuity test I mention above just shows a circuit between the earth connection and the metal parts of the amp, if any of the delicate circuits are touching there the amp is faulty and the test would flag it up, despite what some people think there is some actual science behind it, lol

If the drums are acoustic you would still hear them, bass amp could still be a backline, guitar amp micd but audible on stage so the main issue with being the only one without ears is the vocals not coming back via the singers wedge if that's what like most of us listen to.

Google brings up plenty of electrocuted musicians, un earthed mic being a favourite, that floating earth that a PROPERLY done PAT test would find those faults, I've come across plenty of PA systems that make your lips tingle when you go near the mic.

[quote name='ambient' timestamp='1457100747' post='2995356'] That's what I was about to say. My cousin's husband is an electrician. I approached him a couple of years ago about getting my gear done. He said it would only be the removable cable that he would test anyway, he reckoned tests on the amp could damage circuitry. [/quote] Again it might be what they are saying, its still wrong.

If you know what you are doing you can test using various separate meters, the insulation test is the one most average people won't have to hand that is contained in the combined pat tester.

[quote name='Jacqueslemac' timestamp='1457090503' post='2995193'] What I mean is that if some members of the band want to invest in in-ear monitors, let them. Those who prefer to stick with stage monitors can do so. [/quote] Id prefer all myself depending on which members want or have them, drummer instead of a wedge is fine isn't it, a singer only going through front of house is leaving the rest of the band struggling to hear what's happening, if you take monitors then there is little point as you are lugging extra kit around.

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1457088778' post='2995143'] I'm not an amp tech but when we PAT test PCs we do. [/quote] I've decided its the best way with all the expensive electronics around, I just use my combi testers between the iec socket and a few screws etc or leave the lead in and test between the earth pin and the metal casings.

[quote name='Beer of the Bass' timestamp='1457089466' post='2995153'] I'm also not an amp tech, but I do build and tinker with valve amps as a hobby. A simple check of earth continuity between the chassis, input jack and mains plug is the first thing I do before plugging in anything I've worked on or picked up secondhand. [/quote] Bingo, or save the effort and buy some stickers off eBay,lol.

No but it sure is included in a class 1 PAT test is my point!

[quote name='elephantgrey' timestamp='1457079683' post='2995022'] Talked to my step dad about this (he's an electrician), he told me you should only PAT test whatever power leads your using. [/quote] If he's testing class 1 equipment like our amps then how does he know the metal work on the amp is earthed to the earth on the plug top? Ok don't flash test the electronics but a continuity test between the earth pin on the socket on the amp and the exposed metal is a MUST! Any amp technicians here to substantiate my claim?

[quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1457047043' post='2994921'] OK, I'll take the risk. I'd like to make an observation, though - IME the people who go on about the importance of PAT testing the most are the people who get paid to do the tests. [/quote] That's fine even though I'm recommending you test your earth continuity for free, yourself? Also all the bands I've done I've charged about twenty quid and a cup of tea including my fuel and time to get to the place agreed to do it,the stickers and certs,and the earth repaired, less than minimum wage for a fully qualified electrician, does that sound like I'm in it for the cash?

Go on then......are they good for metal?

As for plugging it in etc....what desk have you got? Ideally you want one with an aux out for each person as you can mix what you want in your own ears, the actual system will (should) have a limiter to stop you being deafened.

[quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1457013622' post='2994461'] I've been asked once, so I bought some stickers off eBay. It's a joke. [/quote] I've seen this before, its pointless and a bit stupid really and here is why, the sticker is purely for users of the kit to see visually that its in date it MUST be accompanied by an actual certificate giving the full details of the item including the earth type,the certificate MUST show the company name and contact details on it. Ok that's the paperwork side of it who cares you ask? Well EVERY band who's kit I have tested at least one item was found and repaired, many of our mass produced amps and musical kit have metal casings and high voltage transformers inside, often the only protection from a fault is a small ring terminal crimped to a banjo washer or bolted to the chassis, the bolts vibrate loose as do the locking nuts just like the ones on bass control pots so the earth is lost, any voltage trying to leak to earth (which is normal to a certain level) goes straight up your instrument lead and to your earthed bridge and strings, enjoy your ebay stickers though :-) As a minimum a continuity test from the earth pin of the plug top to the chassis of the amp is worth doing, then check every iec lead from earth to earth, my own band used to get some terrible hum it various venues,when I tested our own kit I found a lead with no earth present, this was the cause of the hum and really dangerous when used to feed a PA system, life threatening really regardless of need or legality.

Di box,good PA speakers with a digital desk and iems is the future. The smaller the venue the better that system works and once you have the band setup into the mixer and monitors the venue size is totally irrelevant, small practice room or knebworth would be just the same, awesome.

"If it's not d and b you wont see me!" SkyLAB now we are talking.

Prosound

In fact I had an old Peavey tnt combo and whenever I carried it from the car I said "oh God...."

[quote name='largo' timestamp='1456505434' post='2989825'] But is heft>light because if it is then a bad, heavy amp is better than a bad, light amp. [/quote] It's like the God particle maybe?!

He might sprout up yet and let us know?

^ agreed

We could do with getting to the root of it couldn't we?

A good heavy amp is good and a good light amp is better than a bad heavy amp, a bad light amp is still better than a bad heavy amp because its lighter to carry!

No financial future and weekly practices will put off the people who are looking for something like a fairly regular function band gig imo.