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Heartattack and vine - Tom Waits

Your welcome to your opinion. I’ve not played a bad MIJ Fender yet and don’t see them as being particularly outrageous in terms of price. The signature models keep their value and from reviews I have read the Duff McKagan and Nate Mendel in particular are excellent. Though both are MIM.

FireStarter - Prodigy

You could say this about any number of brands. The iPhone being an excellent example. Same basic design each time yet massively popular because it does what it was made to do and set the benchmark for all that followed. If you buy one you know what your getting and if you change your mind you can easily sell it on as it holds its value on the used market. Love the look of the boxer btw.

The harder they come - Jimmy Cliff (veering into Sid James territory now).

Rockit - Herbie Hancock

Opus Dei - Laibach

Preacher Man - Fields of the Nephalim

Papa don’t preach- Madonna

I think the answer to that is no and is undoubtedly a huge benefit to music these days. Really great sounding albums can be produced at minimum cost and get exposure on many digital platforms. The issue is getting some one to pay for them to keep you going. Playing city venues is also great but cities tend to be expensive with very little cheap accommodation. I doubt there are many squats to crash in Notting Hill theses days. It also doesn’t allow people to tour that easily due to costs. I know of very few musicians making a living purely from original music these days. This is partly because I am older and more dull than 25 years ago, but the ones that are still doing it ditched the bands a while back (one still teaches to top up earnings another has a function band side line).

Bank Robber- the clash

Sweetest thing- U2

Indeed there are some. Kasabian are getting long in the tooth now but managed it. Royal Blood are 2 blokes though so maybe the books balance better?

This is all true but I do think bands need to tour a lot, be on the road and go through all the life experiences of touring as a band to become a decent live act. Simply reproducing a well put together recording live is not going to satisfy most mature audiences (they want a little more) doing so may even be a struggle if a band can’t afford the addition musicians on a live tour.

It’s all over now, baby blue- Bob Dylan

It’s not so much about filling stadiums but being able to survive long enough to get really good. If the chilli peppers are used as an example the first couple of albums were great in terms of energy and they were good musicians. They didn’t really come into their own as song writers until Blood, Sugar, Sex, Magic. The same could be said of U2 with the Joshua Tree being as breakthrough album. Surviving to album 3 or 4 historically has been really hard. I’m not really sure it’s even possible anymore even for signed bands, which is a huge loss to music.

Some good points @mike257 Personally I think the major stumbling blocks for bands now is financial. Lack of venues willing to book new music, “pay to play”, revenue streams lost like selling tapes and CD’s at gigs and little in the way of squats and affordable accommodation being some factors. Even when bands are signed and getting some recognition revenue from streaming and physical sales is fairly paltry compared with the cost of living. Surviving long enough to break through must be very tricky for a band compared to a solo artist.

Superfast jellyfish - Gorillaz

Nice thanks. My current project is a MIJ Geddy Lee and this will save me a little time and effort.

So is the secret to success be a solo artist, keep costs to the minimum and use digital platforms to reach your audience?

Paradise city - G&R

We need another punk and early hip hop epiphany where people start a more DIY approach to entertainment where the audience is as important to the scene as the artists. Was Manchester and grunge the final throw of the dice?

Much more routed in blues, gospel and rock and roll. There is obviously a cross over to pop (in that it’s popular music) but would put those guys in a bracket that transcends demographics and age in the same way as Amy Winehouse. They played the bars and small venues and slogged about on the freeways long before they were household names.

He is an exception as said previously as in he is a prolific songwriter. He also cut his teeth the hard way doing many gigs until he was finally signed having mastered live performances, which is the thrust of this thread. Edit: I guess it depends if you see Ed Sheehan as a pop star or an old school singer /songwriter /performer that has managed to relate to a younger audience?

This is very true and very sad. Trying to get an audience to watch music they don’t already know is increasingly difficult. Hence the proliferation of tribute bands and venues closing all over the place. I don’t know the remedy for this sadly.