Dood

Hey Ped! How ya feelin' bro?

Just a quick chime in.. the biggest help to a fluid 3 finger technique was designing a ramp and having it added to my bass. When I play my other basses I miss it, big style! I think I'll have to have some more made!!!

and dood is off to find a good deal on a line 6 too! ;o)

I was watching the video demos for the XT Pro last night and ended up being swayed to contact our Ped about the rack unit. I think I wanna give one a go, having owned a Behringer Vamp in the past.

A mate of mine owns the Engl Powerball. I have heard and played through some awesome guitar gear and the Engl definitely rates in the top 3. Awesome!! I reckon it pips Mesa at the post for tone.

Have a free bump for it.

For £200 (including posatge) a multiFX unit that I would recommend whole heartedly would be this one [url="http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=2876"]http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=2876[/url] . It will take a little time to figure out how to use it properly.. but TC are easily a market leader in rack FX. I've owned a TC rack for years.

[quote name='bass_ferret' post='35486' date='Jul 22 2007, 10:47 AM']Why ask such a dumb question then?[/quote]


Not dumb, I'd hazard a guess. Some people know about preamps and poweramps, but may not realise that the input of an amp simply cant take the level of signal from a power amp output?

OBBM uses Klotz cable and Neutric connectors. Pretty much some of the best out there. I'm not sure what 'Koltz Kik' is or who Neutronik are.

Who?




(we could do this for hours! lol)

Done!

Excellent, definitely food for thought there. Flanker owns an EBS Classic preamp and thats *really* what I am after. It sounded amazing at the last BassBash.. interestingly It was that and has Epifani cab that started a bought of GAS.. if only I could talk him into selling!!! The Galleries 800+ for a preamp is just a little too hard to swallow.That really is pushing what I think a *bass preamp* should cost. They do sound good though. It'd be cheaper to buy a TD650 second hand too! - I'd thought about that option, but giving up my poweramp is as painful as giving up one of my basses right now!

My other alternative, that I am doing right now is building up a preamp out of modular parts. A pedal here, a DI box there, a rack EQ and line driver stage. Eventually either fitting it all in my rack or something similar. I'd prefer to have it all in one box, like a rack preamp, but I haven't found anything to tick ALL the boxes in a decent price range.

Going way off topic, I had a look at the Phil Jones Bass preamp. That looks really well spec'd, but again the price is prohibitive. I can't help remembering the torrent of abuse 'he' gave a BassWorlder as well for no reason which taints my view a bit.

Cool, good news mate.

[quote name='Darcy' post='34828' date='Jul 20 2007, 06:02 PM']Dood, anyway isnt this meant to be for Hanson's benefit?[/quote]


Its ok chill mate! ;o) That's why I'd asked for you to qualify what you were describing. I didn't really understand what you were getting at, so made the assumption that someone without FX experience at all would be completely lost.

To a point I think you are correct too. Cheapy multifx tend not to have decent overdrives lol .. wasps in jamjars come to mind!

With that in mind, I think thats why I had an almost unconcious decision to make my 7 string as unseeable as possible. Ok, the personalisations on it could be removed at cost, but the point was that the bass would be 'right' for me as a custom build and that I would have no reason to want to sell it.

On the flipside, my Elite 6 doesn't feature any personalisations at all and would attract buyers as it covers (scuse the pun) many more bases than the 7 string. The 'dimensions' are more familiar and traditional.

I am not so sure about re-sell value on custom builds being vague. I think you'd apply the same decisions to one of those as an off the shelf model. For example "what was the cost new", "What do they cost now to buy", "condition" etc. There does appear to be a perception in some cases that just because a company is less well known, their prices should be lower as if they are not as good as the more well known company. I'm not just refering to musical instruments either, it applies across the board.

[quote name='Darcy' post='34383' date='Jul 19 2007, 10:04 PM']Singles are limited but give a better quality sound[/quote]

I'd have to totally disagree with you on that one. Certainly if you buy a cheap and cheerful multifx, then you may be presented with some poor effects. However most midrange multifx are equally as good quality as seperate pedals. Spend some more cash and I reckon the processor wil be every bit as good as 'singles'. In some case far better, due to the improved signal route.

[quote name='Darcy' post='34383' date='Jul 19 2007, 10:04 PM']Had multi effects and they are very good but they give a "taste" of the real thing.[/quote]

I don't quite follow what you mean. I can assume that you are refering to boutique pedal sounds that may not be included in mulitFX?

Having said that, a lot of units, such as mine allow you to model effects using 'building blocks'. VCOs / VCAs / Envelope controllers and Pitch sensitive controllers can be added to chains of effects parameters to make some really bizarre and wierd noises!

My take on the subject is not meant to upset the pedal users amongst us, but for me, instead of buying piles of pedals, i'd rather use that money to buy the best effects rack I could.

There is, as you have pointed out, benefits and disadvantages. One being that, yes you should spend a bit of time learning how to use the unit to its full potential. There's stuff that a rack / mulitFX unit can do that pedals just cant. ever. However, if you like the modular approach and only want to take a specific effect out of the house with you, then you are saving space, time and effort. Obviously, there are lots of boutique pedals out there, that *may* have sounds that aren't availanble on cheaper effects units. You have also pointed out that single pedals are easier to use. True. My preference is also to keep all the expensive stuff all racked up away from the floor. I therefore have just a controller sat on the front of the stage to get covered in beer, by exciteable gig goers. Another reason I wouldn't want to put my ten beloved pedals on the floor. Another plus for pedals.. if one blows up completely..well you just disconnect it.. if my rack dies, I lose all my effects. That hasnt happened yet, thankfully!!! You can also buy single pedals one at a time which is obviously cheaper in the short run thansaving up for a full rack.. but I suspect if you had bought ten pedals, the rack equivalent price would buy you a monster FX unit.

So thats a brief pile of thoughts. There are reasons to and not to in my opinion.

I like the sound of this game.. I'll give the clip a listen when I am near some 'peakers! lol

[quote name='alexclaber' post='26701' date='Jul 3 2007, 08:16 PM']Not that I'm counting but do I have the most watts per rack space?

Alex[/quote]


[quote name='finnbass' post='26727' date='Jul 3 2007, 09:35 PM']But your 'knobs/dials and lights' quotient is basically pathetic [/quote]



[quote name='finnbass' post='23788' date='Jun 26 2007, 10:42 PM']Maximum bling for buck...



Chavtastic [/quote]


Could I chime in and say that now my V-Type is out of my rack I have 2K RMS in 2u. Is that too much?

Yup, as I said earlier.. that sure is sweet Greg!

[quote name='dood' post='33490' date='Jul 18 2007, 11:07 AM'][url="http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/bassesdescr.shtml"]http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/bassesdescr.shtml[/url]

The ASB-5 is the same size as the EMGs. The ASB2-5 you mention is narrower.[/quote]


Sorry.. me stoopido! I got that round the wrong way! ASB2 is the same size as EMGs.. Sorry for any confusion!

So very lovely. Trev was very lucky to keep hold of his KingBass when I had the opportunity to play it. Almost came home with me!

I have a stereo DI box should I need it.. I'm even half tempted to keep this one.. I'm gonna have a play tonight, just to make sure! ;o)

Hi Greg, well the beauty of the pedal is that you can put the unit in to bypass and it acts like a normal DI box, with In / Out and DI out. Features phantom power too. You have the option of adding the sounds from channel one / shape and channel two / distortion. Or you can set the pedal up to do a straight signal boost without distortion.

Me too Joe! Sometimes I forget about 'that sound' - and then I pick up another bass.. play it for a bit, then plug my EMG loaded basses back in. Never ceases to raise a smile!

I really do like the SD ASB2's though. Little low on the output mebbe. i use an EMG booster control to match the output of my EMGs which helps a great deal.

I'm back..


OK, John.. the ASB2's and the DC's are completely different in tone. in it's simplest description, the ASB's are P style pups in a soap bar. The DC's are dual rails in a soapbar. The former of the two has more of a P style plummy sort of sound, whereas the DC's have a musicman style rasp and more bite to the top end. It could be said that the P styles have a deeper bottom end, simply because the DCs are far toppier. (interesting adjectives dan!)
Don't forget EMG also do a 5 string P style pup too.

Both of my Shukers have these pups. The Elite has the ASB2's and 'Doodle' has DC's. The tones are very different. Which you go for in the end will be down to your preference between P style and DCs. You will find that when both pups are on together you will get a nother difference in tone too.

Another thing to take into consideration is that the output level of the ASB pups is much lower that the EMGs. It's not a 'problem', but I do prefer a stronger output and for all my basses to have the same output level, so i dont need to mess with gain controls all the time.

Ok, suggestion time. How about 1 of each style? Have an EMG DC and an EMG P style soapbar? EMG have quick release harnesses that would allow you to unclip them and switach positions. You may like the DC better in the neck position, but the connector would allow you to swap the pups over (as they are the same size) into the 'other' position without having to do any soldering.