Dood

lol! Cool Giz', I'll give it a listen later.

How's Charlie's singing? Has it improved? Unfortunately all the material I have ever seen or heard of his, has had him embarassingly out of tune.

blimey! you wroked that out? DUDE!! get out and get some fresh air!!! lol lol



*whispers* actually, I wondered where all my time was going in the day.. oh!! Writing this I have missed 30 posts!

[quote name='Cantdosleepy' post='13481' date='Jun 7 2007, 10:24 AM']Won't somebody please think of the children!

Damn your eyes, Dood![/quote]

lol lol!!! Please forgive me!


*whispers* Jaco would have played a six string.. probably fretless.

Hi Sorry I hadnt spotted the post. Um, yeh.. what MacD says! I will endeavour to find some pic links and I'll post a message in the mods forum.

[quote name='EntropicLqd' post='13243' date='Jun 6 2007, 07:31 PM']Heh .. I know how you feel. Jon's a great guy to talk to, and always really helpful, but I'd never say his customer service was perfect. It's more a case of "excellent when it happens". I think his focus is either 100% on building the latest master piece or 100% on his family (more so at the moment than normal) and never the two shall meet.
That is so true. He definately needs an admin gohper to take pics, handle e-mails, and maybe do first-pass quotes or something.

Internet access at his workshop probably wouldn't go amiss either. From talking to him I get the impression that he goes through his emails when he feels like it rather than religiously every night ... but that might just be due to his current circumstances; or perhaps a false impression I've gained from our conversations.[/quote]


Hmmm, well As you have pointed out, Jon is a 'one man band' at the moment and doesnt have anyone to do all the admin/website/photos/tea making responsibilities. It really isn't a case of 'when he feels like it'. The guy is always in the workshop, creating his machines of beauty. Last year his missus actually had to drag him off on holiday, to take a break. Very true!

If he had internet access at the workshop, it probably wouldnt be much use, as he is on the 'go' from the minute he walks in to the evening when he leaves. probably not a lot of time to answer emails as well. That probably why I get most of my replies after 10pm, as its the only quiet time he gets!

I think, rather like me, Jon comes across as very laid back. Most would believe that I actually am sleep walking! He isn't.. just has 13 builds to contend with..I'll be adding another soon!

I think if Jon had an admin type, it would help admin stuff along no end.. blimey.. If I lived closer, I'd do it!! Infact, I would go as far as saying if anyone wants to know anything about Shuker and I can help then drop me a line.

Gorgeous top there Gizmo! Quite a talent with the ole tools too! I loved your 6 stringer.

awaiting delivery of said copy with DVD! Have you watched all the SC vids on you tube?

Hey Jase, I agree with that completely. They are a little rough on the pinkies, but the harmonic content is definitely stronger than other brands I have tried.

p.s. I love the B3ta.org avatar!!

p.s. sorry sleepy.

Actually i was totally unimpressed with his video. Some are destined to teach, I suspect John had a fair amount of pressure to do it, being in 'his situation'.

OK, well I guess we haven't mentioned his name a few times already.. so I won't go ahead and name a few tunes. Actually.. I am having trouble picking just one song. One of DT's gig set mainstays is a track called Metropolis, from the Images and Words album. Not actually one of my favourites, but there are some great passages in it, along with the obligatory tapping bass solo.

How ever, for daft dexterity, there is 'The dance of Eternity' from 'Scenes From A Memory', an instrumental with more time changes than british rail. ummm.. there are so many! 'Change Of Seasons', 'Octavarium' , a few tracks from the album 'Falling into Infinity' where John plays the Chapman Stick.. errr .. I think the best way to get an idea of their stuff would be to buy any of the recent live DVDs. Live at the Budokan or 'score' are very much recommended, as is the slightly older 'Metropolis 200: Scenes From A Memory' show.

If you look at Johns fingers on his right hand.. I swear they are all the same length!! lol!!

Is it specifically an DB you want or will an EUB be ok?

They are awesome! I owned a BT1 (I think) and a GB-7. 2 different models and when used correctly are faultless.

Hmmm.. lemme see. I'd feel bad about putting one in front of the other!! ha ha ha!!

John Deacon. T'was him who got me into all things Bass and for that I would love to thank him in person!
Billy Sheehan was probably the first bass player i heard playing 'outside the box'
John Myung was probably the next bass player to stand out for me, as I'd started playing a 6er a cuppla years before I heard DT for the first time.

John Pattitucci, Dil Katz, Geddy Lee, Claypool, Newstead, Sixx, Mick Karn, Dirk Lance, Steve Harris, James Leach,Stu Hamm, JJ Burnell,Jerry Best, Pino, Lee Sklar, Nathan East, Neil Murray oh and Kim Khahn have all had a very huge influence on me..well actually there are so many more!! The first 3 would be there though.

I'd like to see far more development going into the aesthetics of cabinet design on the outside. The posts above have nailed it really! Its very hard to make a cumbersome box easy to move, but a few companies have started addressing this. WarwichHunt has a Tech cab, 6x10 that, instead of being really wide, it is narrower and taller. I used to own the 4x10 versions, and was so glad to keep the flesh ON my knuckles whilst getting the gear out of my house. My new cab has tilt back trolley wheels nad a handle on the back. No need to put your fingers on the side!

As has been mentioned already, simple things like the correct placement of handles to make lifting easier and replacing components with lighter options would be good. The thing is, it WILL force the price of the cabs up. When I was down at Bass Merchant they were telling me what the difference in cost of using heavy MDF and the equivalent cost of the 'super lightweight' PLY that a lot of companies have started using. It is more expensive.. but there's no way that it should add even £100 to the cost of a bass cab. (some manufacturers would have you believe it should)

It deserves to be said again. Beautiful!!

For fear of sounding like I( am stating the obvious, have you not arranged an appointment to meet with the manager to discuss the issue in person. Take someone along to listen in too. Discuss the issues you have raised together. I don't think they will just happen to spot your thread on a forum.

I hope this gets sorted out. I know the manager of BC. He is a good person and will be helpful.

oh yes terrible.. look.. the best you can do is just take it to the tip.. tell ya what, I'll pop down and do that for you.. just pop it into the back of my car will ya.. before Steve gets here! ;o)

I don't think I have ever heard a bad word about the V8 to be honest. They are rather sought after. There's a chap over on TalkBass who pops his on top of an Accugroove el Whappo and then has the audacity to show off some amazing photos of his monster rig!! *'nan' from Catherine Tatee* ooooh the &*£&*$( liberty!!

[quote name='pete.young' post='12164' date='Jun 4 2007, 11:10 PM']Welcome back Alex, what would we do without you? Thank you for that explanation, which even a numpty like me can grok.

According to Eminence's web site:

Deltalite II 2515 -

Vas 204 litres
Recommended enclosure sealed: 42.5 - 48 litres

Basslite C2515

Vas 260 litres
Recommended enclosure sealed: 45 - 82 litres !

Hmm. Something doesn't seem to add up here. Finally I'm beginning to understand what Bill means when he
says that designs don't specify big enough cabinets for the driver parameters.

So in order to get the optimum bass response, you need a cabinet volume equivalent to the VAS ? It
can't be that simple, surely.[/quote]

I'm far from 'in the know' when it comes to cab designs, but certainly from the specs, 2x10 cones would be far more capable in a cab the size of an 810 than squashed into a 24x24x18 box. again, WINISD was the software of choice to play with!

[quote name='JPJ' post='12208' date='Jun 4 2007, 11:51 PM']Dood, I'll be really interested to hear how this works out. I have fancied a 6x10 setup for quite a while but have been put off by the low end rumble most of them produce (like a fully laden jumbo jet taking off). Both the Ampeg and the SWR I have tried have this run-away low end sound that I couldn't tame with the amp eq. Let us know soon how yours works out please?[/quote]

I think I know what you mean.When I tried the cab out in the shop, there wasnt any 'runaway' bottom end as such. Just 'extended girth' in comparison to 4x10's and 12's. The noticeable difference was if i had EQ'd for a smaller cab then plugged in the 6x'. I'd have to back the bass control off as the cab was so much more capable of producing that 'bottom' without having to crank the bass control. An idea I like. A lot. However, I do like to have a certain amount of 'kick' from my cabs, so the extended bottom end is very welcome. I hope to give the cab a good thrashing when the cones have 'broken in' a bit. I think the cab's voice will become a little more apparent then.

[quote name='peted' post='12210' date='Jun 4 2007, 11:56 PM']Yowza. I think Gamble's SWR 6x10 sounds awesome. The Ampeg I tried sounded woolly and crap. Can't wait to hear your new cab Dood.[/quote]

I had a play on the SWR and the MArkBass cabs down at Bass Merchant, along with the Warwick 611pro. I guess they would sound good with certain set ups, but I found the Warwick a little distant sounding, the MarkBass was good, but didnt give me the 'voicing' I was looking for and the SWR was really clear, but the tweeter let it down for me.Not so much bottom as the MB (which was the larger MB cab with the front facing ports). I'm not saying these were cr@p cabs. They were all very capable. I am overtly fussy when it comes to gear!

[quote name='joegarcia' post='12212' date='Jun 4 2007, 11:58 PM']Ooh that looks nice! Looks a tad difficult to move though. Does it not have a tilt back with wheels? Mind if I ask what they cost?
Glad you managed to try some Aguilar cabs in the end, am interested in the whole 2x2/12's versus 1x4/12 thing. Curious how they'd sound so different with the same speakers. Where the 2x12's quite big then?[/quote]

The cab is a mere 40kg, so it's a one man lift!! The handles on the side are in the right place for a big fella like me too. It has some lovely big rubber wheels and the usual tilt back handle built into the cab, so, no towel rail sticking out. The UK RRP is around 1200 quid and to be honest, importing and the additional 'costs' didnt make it worth the price difference I agreed on.(I had a bit of a deal including shipping!)

The aggies were excellent. I was sooo close to getting the 212's for a stereo set up. I have to admit, that in the shop, I found that the 212's performed better bottom than the 412. Again, the 412 was very impressive,but the weight of such a hooj cab put me off a wee bit, as the Epi' is so much lighter for a big cab. The aggies are very capable and in the absence of the Epi, I would have jumped straight on them.Awesome!
Bass Merchant were once again BRILLIANT with me and deserve a pat on the back for such patience with one of the fussiest (spelling??) customers! lol lol

oh.. I think the 2x12 cabinet is larger than half the size of the 412. Mebbe its the way they are ported? hmmm.. an interesting investigation to be had!


[quote name='joegarcia' post='12216' date='Jun 5 2007, 12:00 AM']Yea I heard a guy with an Ampeg 6x10 a while ago. He managed to make an SVT2 sound terrible with it, he didn't have any weird or extreme eq going on either. Can't be a particularly good cab I don't think, maybe it was dodgy or something.[/quote]

In general, I find Ampeg cabs to be middley with a rolled off top end.Mixed with the wrong amp and bass, it sounds muddy and lacking in clarity. On the flipside, with the right combination they can sound awesome.
Not my cup o' tea though!!

Dan

Just a quite reply... yes mate, you can get P basses with skinny necks. I have a Fender with a Jazz neck, and a Fender with a P bass (A) neck. they are so very similar, honestly. My P bass, so you can have a search for more information, is a Fender CIJ 1970's reissue. The model number is PB70US-xx. I bought mine new from Ishibashi. My mate has a 72 P bass.. and we reckon they are very alike.. but his has 'mojo' ;o)

Somewhere I have some pics.. but gawd knows what I did with them. They are definitely on BassTalk!

She's here! She's here! Yippeee!!! Though it's too late to crank her up... noooooooo... so I plugged into the stereo to see how it fairs. BLIMEY!

Already I am surprised at how good this cab sounds with just normal HIFI audio. I cant wait to hear what the cab sounds like up loud. I guess I'll be doing a full review for you all at the weekend.

[quote]UL-610
When you need to move air you have to have speakers -and the more the better! The UL-610 was a custom design made exclusively for bass legends Daryl Jones (Rolling Stones) and Christian McBride but we were so impressed with the results that the UL-610 has now become part of our standard production line. This monster is equipped with six 250 watt Epifani 10" drivers that handle an astonishing 1500 watts (RMS) of power. Utilizing two separate isolation chambers, the UL-610 delivers unsurpassed clarity and accuracy even at high decibel levels.[/quote]

Sorry to hear of your troubles. I had to wait a day extra for a delivery from another shop.. it was only a day.. but it was a long 24 hours!! Have you called them directly?

Hi Steve! I have never really dabbled with external MIDI gear, except for my Korg X3 workstation. Bit knackered now, but has a whole host of Dream Theater type sounds on. (Indeed, Derek Sherinian used to play one, way back)

My only other 'MIDI' stuff has all been in the 'virtual' world, using VST instruments to make my noises. Never really got a hold of working with them, but they have been a lot easier to get hold of than their hardware equivalents.

I have messed about with BFD for drums, Halion and Sampletank for synth noises and used amplitube and Ampeg SVX for guitar and bass noises respectively. They all have MIDI functionality in one way or another.


The only other MIDI I do is between my foot controller and my effects unit.

On a related note, one of the very few preamps that I have seen that have an effects loop between the bass input and the input gain control (pre amplification, pre EQ) is the Trace Elliot V-type. Just a great design for simplicity!