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3 minutes ago, Downunderwonder said:

Found an image on Thomman of a Dynacord Powermate 600 2x 1000w mixer. It is plastered in outputs and inputs for your amp section. RTFM. And tell me that's not a rebranding of B'ringer.

 

You need a crossover and a power amp and a few cables. Go somewhere else to get them. Plenty of used available.

 

You don't even need a big amp as a piddly little one can do your tops while the mixer does the subs.

 

If your speaker cables for your subs are on the short side you would be better getting long signal cables and a sub amp can go along with the subs over by the wall.

Can you give some examples of suitable products.  I've got a 600W power amp lying around that could be used for the tops.

1 hour ago, Phil Starr said:

@stevie is the crossover expert but your amplifiers can push up to 10A through 8ohms and double that through 4 ohms. A coil that will handle that and work at sub crossover frequencies wouldn't fit in the box that crossover comes in. 

 

 

 

Read the manual  I just had a quick look and it gives some hints as to how to hook up to an active crossover. The master outputs on your Dynacord are specifically there to use with active speakers. You take the output from there to your active crossover. That will then give you two outputs to feed back to your tops and one or two outputs to go to an active sub. In all probability your active sub will have a crossover built in and a single sub will usually cope with a stereo input too. Then you can either go straight from the sub to a pair of active tops or feed the stereo outputs from the back of your subs back to the power amp inputs on your Dynacord mixer. Luckily Dynacord have anticipated your needs and made it relatively easy for you.

Thanks for this Phil.

We were hoping that there would be a relatively cheap fix to adding the subs, unfortunately that doesn't look like it's the case.  We were advised to go down the passive route by the vendor.....I wish I'd listened to myself and gone with my original gut of adding a high power active single sub with an active stereo Xover into the tops. 

Thanks for the comment on the passive Xovers....I also had my doubts they could handle the current but we were assured they could.  They have now been returned but we are left with 2 passive subs which are no use to us.

13 minutes ago, BigRedX said:

Does this device come with a manual?

 

I'm wondering if the power handling of the crossover is "peak" rather than RMS, or if it's presenting a load lower than 8Ω to the amp, both of which would probably mean that your mixer amp is overpowering the crossover.

Sadly no documentation.  These were recommended by the store on the basis of our current powered mixer and tops/subs (we acquired the subs at the same time).  My concerns align with yours in that for some reason I think the load being presented is <8ohms; at 4ohms the amp gives 1000W per side.  We have noted the amp running into clip when the Xover fails pushing it into protection mode which pretty much rains on our parade.

When we use the tops alone (8ohm), without the Xover - no problems.

2 hours ago, Jakester said:

 

What crossovers are you (or, rather, were you) currently using?

We was using a pair of these but at least one each time overheats and fails......

https://www.google.com/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwjz497I_LaBAxVFBwYAHVVDCFUYABAOGgJ3cw&ase=2&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI8-PeyPy2gQMVRQcGAB1VQwhVEAQYASABEgKaUvD_BwE&sig=AOD64_0t6AWIU32BjrrMh3T-zG1WqVdzGg&ctype=5&q=&nis=4&ved=2ahUKEwj_pdfI_LaBAxW3U0EAHYUrAp0Qww8oAnoECAQQCw&adurl=

An update to this......

Unfortunately 2 very fraught gigs and 2 exploded crossovers later we are at an impasse.  Despite the passive crossovers supposedly being rated for 1000W they seem to be being slaughtered by our Dynacord powered mixer which should only be delivering c.700W into 8 ohms.  The only passive crossovers we seem to be able to find on the market are these or rebranded versions of these.  I have no idea on active crossovers, could anyone advise?

8 hours ago, Downunderwonder said:

Cheaper by far to buy another amp and do active management.

We only got the Dynacord new last year….not really looking to make another investment of that size at the mo. The retailer assured us the passive crossover route was the way to go….we’ll see.

A gig in a large ballroom on the outskirts of Rotherham for us last night.  Sadly underpopulated which didn’t help in a hall the size it was. It had been programmed the same day as a local end of summer outdoor shindig and unfortunately good old Kimmy Wilde was a bigger draw than us 😂

Major problems again with PA crossovers, we’ve managed to blow 2 now despite them supposedly being rated above our max wattage. A loud bang in the second spot followed by smoke can be off putting….we managed through to the end but couldn’t do an encore.

1 hour ago, Downunderwonder said:

Bad power???

Not entirely sure. The crossover on one side died early on and it was a cascade of chaos after that. The crossovers and subs are new and on 60day return so we’ll see what the vendor has to say.

1 hour ago, dmccombe7 said:

How did things go on Sat. ?

Dave

Fortunately we didn’t have one on Saturday Dave but we need to get sorted for this coming Saturday as we’ve got a big room to fill.

A couple of days have passed since our gig on Friday. We played well and had a fair crowd who were on their feet from early in the first spot. Unfortunately our new updated PA decided to fight us....

First a crossover died despite checking everything out early in the week. Second, smoke emanated from one of the new subs...😞

And lastly the Dynacord shut down a few channels to save itself.

Despite this we soldiered on and pretty much got away with it.  

Big gig on Saturday to come and solutions to be developed to deal with it...

34 minutes ago, Pirellithecat said:

Bit late to the party here ... but ... 

We recently upgraded our PA, because I wanted to put Drums through the PA.  

So, we moved up from 10inch  active PA (1200W) to (2000W) 12inch active speakers PLUS a  RCF 705 Sub.   The 12 inch speakers are great (but not much louder than the 1200W)  but the Sub is spectacular! 

 

It makes a huge difference to the sound.   Just by adding kick and snare.   Could argue it's not always necessary, but as it sits under one of the   full range speakers it effectively takes no more space, and even when used sparingly it really helps provide a solid underpinning to the music. 

 

It's a revelation. (and will protect you full range speakers from the drummer!!).   

In the last band we had an HK Audio set up with a Allen & Heath powered mixer.  We used the 12" tops with a single HK active sub.  The sound was great but when we split the band I just got the tops.  I remembered that using a powered mixer with active and passive components was a real faff so this time to simplify things just went down the passive route with our powered mixer.  

On first try out yesterday I was quite impressed with how much they have filled out the sound and the tops don't seem stressed at all even with the Roland kit.

I moved from trace to 2 NY112 cabs from MarkBass. Small, light and fit in the boot of a Mini (5dr).

13 minutes ago, Downunderwonder said:

Is a very good spec if it's true. It's only a little shy of what your average "1200w" speaker will handle.

In the end we went with units rated 300W RMS, 600W peak which the tech assured me would be ok with the Dynacord Powermate

2 minutes ago, BigRedX said:

If you want to attract one of the Mods attention to move a thread the most effective way is to "Report" the first post and then say why in the resulting dialogue box.

 

IME anything else will most likely be missed.

I'll move this one myself BRX in case it's of use to someone else.

Thanks for this Phil.  Your advice is pretty much what I got from the online shop I think.

In the end we went with a couple of passive subs and crossovers.  We were able to do a set up last night and all seems good.  We did look at adding active subs but as you say that gets 'interesting'.  The lead vox sets up the PA and it was important to make the set up as simple as possible and the fully passive route with simple unpowered crossovers does just that.

Regarding the death of the previous full range speakers.  These have had a hard life over the last 8 years; they were bought before I joined the band and I'm not sure about the quality....they have suffered numerous issues over the last couple of years particularly with the horns so I think they had had their day.  The HK tops came with me from my previous band and had had very little use; these seem far more capable but I was insistent that the bottom end was handled by subs rather than the tops to avoid over excursion.

On 03/09/2023 at 13:07, Jo.gwillim said:

I've fitted an East preamp to a jazz, it's too versatile for me, i end up fiddling about rather than playing. That's not too say it's not good i think it is, i just spend too long tinkering, especially with the mid and mid frequency. I can't easily see where the knobs are set, I'm better off leaving all the tweaks on the amp. Good piece of kit, but bad for a constant tweaker!

Totally agree. The Sadowsky Metro Express I bought used has the JE2. I just set it flattish and leave it….

On gigs I mainly use mustangs….nowt to fiddle with 😂

Couldn’t fault the build quality (apart from the JAN2 which you mentioned), it was mainly the ergonomics. The neck was thrown too far left for comfort for my liking. I had a corvette followed by a thumb, decided not to risk take 3 on the fortress as I’d lost more money than enough on the first 2.

Love the shape of these but me and Warwick’s don’t get on so we’ll 😞

Another gig in the Huddersfield locale for the glam lads last night. Great stage and boozer but the crowd was on the thin side. Fortunately the sound was great, we had a bit more time than usual to perfect the foh sound. Due to this it was a pleasure being able to nail the backing vox as the monitor feed was great.

The land persons were happy despite the lowish turnout and look forward to a return. More local gigs for us over the next few weeks and trying out some new PA which should be a bonus. 

We supported a 'named band' a few years back and provided backline and PA in agreement with the organiser (this was factored into the price..).  No real issues but some space problems when the bassist wanted to use his own backline (guess he didn't like Markbass) which squeezed me out a touch.  I had to laugh a little when his Tonehammer crapped out half way through their set....

Just coming round from a busy weekend, Saturday night playing, Sunday watching other local bands. Saturday night was a great night as the last band on at a little ‘fest’ in the village of Tideswell in the Derbyshire Peak District. All the PA, back line and drums were provided which made life easy. The crowd were up and ready for us when we came on at 9 and the weather stayed fair till the finish. It appeared that the whole of the village had turned up and boogied along until the end. These are the sort of gigs we do it for 😁

8 hours ago, Newfoundfreedom said:

1 hour ago, Newfoundfreedom said:

They're the exact same rating as the ones you posted the link to. 

 

I suppose it depends on what you will put through them and how loud a band you're in. We've used them for everything from small coffee shops to outdoor festivals and never had a problem. 

Just worried that we’d blow them, we’re normally handling clubs up to 300. We’re not exceptionally loud but we do use an electronic drum kit through the PA. Bass and guitar are back line not through PA. The tops we will use in addition are HK Pro12 which are 400W rms, 800W programme. The powered mixer is 2x1000W at 4 Ohms.

5 hours ago, Newfoundfreedom said:

 

I've been using the Behringer Eurolive 15's for about 4 years as our main P.A and they're absolutely bullet proof, never missed a beat, lightweight, cheap and sound superb. 

 

https://www.thomann.de/intl/behringer_eurolive_b215xl.htm?i11l=en_GB%3ABG.GBP%3AEUR

These are only 250W rms handling, not sure they’d handle it?

After a few years hard gigging our full range cabs gave up the ghost last week. In part I think due to the drummer using an electronic kit for the last couple of years. So we need to sort something quickly and as cheaply as possible for upcoming gigs. At the moment with use a Dynacord Powermate 600 and we’ve drafted into use our emergency HK pro 12s. The drummer has gone back to acoustic for the time being. Would we be best adding an active sub to the existing set up (the HK one is about £650) or would chains a couple of passive 15s or 12s be an option? The following might fit the bill in that case.

https://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwi04-mszvyAAxXP0u0KHVe8BWgYABAjGgJkZw&ae=2&gclid=EAIaIQobChMItOPprM78gAMVz9LtCh1XvAVoEAQYESABEgKRn_D_BwE&ohost=www.google.co.uk&cid=CAASJeRoGtEkWipUAFOhZiwLL6CfqKSPFfRtbCzB4jLOuHCj6rEQxsc&sig=AOD64_18RU65E56_70Ky_HNAvqQzcR_mEw&ctype=5&q=&ved=2ahUKEwiG1eGszvyAAxXnT0EAHTemAKwQwg8oAHoECAUQbg&adurl=

Almondbury cricket club last night, compact and bijou but we adjusted the set up to make it work. I had one of those ‘sausage fingers’ nights which isn’t normal for me but managed to disguise the gaffs and we got plenty of compliments at the end and a couple of enquiries from other local venues. As there had been a match on we were treat to some great Indian food before the first set - bonus. I leave you with an artistic shot of the famous twin towers of Huddersfield!