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[quote name='Chienmortbb' timestamp='1453899643' post='2963950'] As an Electronics Engineer, I am a firm believer that you should only claim what you can measure although Chis is not alone in his assertions. However surely such a sarcastic, narky, character assassination is unwarranted. [/quote] Sarcastic yes, bit of a dig for fun yes, differences of opinion probably, character assassination absolutely not. There is no place for character assassinations anywhere in this forum. If any offence was taken by Chris then I wholeheartedly apologise.

[quote name='Audiokostas' timestamp='1453743433' post='2962366'] I had the pleasure to play with a BB2 as well as with a Vanderkley EXT112 (among EBS, Aguilar and Tecamp) in a test I performed for 12" bass cabs for a Greek music forum. Both were excellent cabs in their own way and clearly, for my taste, the best two of the bunch. It would not be easy to choose between the two but if I was hard pressed, I would probably lean towards the Vanderkley (which I have to admit that I purchased). That does not mean that the BB2 was by any means inferior (though being a pre-production model had some minor quality issues that I am sure that have been fixed by now) compared to its Dutch counterpart. My feeling (and I emphatically repeat, for my taste and needs) was that the EXT had a better overall balance for (small) live /studio / home practice use whereas the BB2 sometimes felt to me as being a bit “too much”. There were (of course, being in the south-east part of Mediterranean) some steamy arguments about both cabs (as well as for the others but to a lesser extend) and which one was the best. One thing I can say though, is I can easily live with either of them with the confidence that both of them are excellent cabs backed up by very prompt, friendly and courteous support from their manufacturers Marc and Alex. I would like to thank them both for the experience they provided me with. Here is a jam with the BB2 [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW3NCWz5zEo"]https://www.youtube....h?v=cW3NCWz5zEo[/url] And here is one with the Vanderkley [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMbWrns0CRw"]https://www.youtube....h?v=rMbWrns0CRw[/url] [/quote] Nice videos, you have a really nice workable tone in both jams, is there a reason why you did not give the 112MNT a go rather than the EXT?

Too much back line volume kills the FOH sound, I use IEM's where possible... No more volume issues👍 I wonder whether in the future back line might become a thing of the past

[quote name='Defo' timestamp='1453284814' post='2958014'] Watch Tecamp gear shoot up in price on the 2nd hand market....... [/quote] Selling my puma 900, asking price £1500 plus postage😉

I really miss mine, it had amazing fat clear tone with the amp set flat and in a band mix it was a thing of beauty. The only reason that I changed out was to go modular(it's an age thing)

Great cab congrats

[quote name='Merton' timestamp='1453023498' post='2955510'] Don't scrub Hartke from the list just yet - the LH500 is a monster and could be well worth a look [/quote] +1. I think Dave Ellefson does ok with them... Edit and Nate Watts 😊

[quote name='BassManGraham' timestamp='1452965371' post='2955190'] I have PJBs & Vanderkleys. I love them both but pound for pound my Vanderkleys are lighter and seem louder. I have 2 PJB C8s at 800w each. They are crisp, clear and articulate and pretty damn loud particularly when used together. BUT.... I also have four Vanderkley cabs all 600W each (generally only use two at a time) two 112MNTs and two 210MNTs. I use the Vanderkleys more, particularly for larger theatre and festival gigs. Do try and have a listen and satisfy yourself [/quote] That is a lot of Vanderkley cabs! I have two of the 112 mnt cabs and cannot imagine ever getting close to what they are capable of. Recently played through four of them at Bass Direct powered by the Aurora... Now that was seriously impressive 👍

[quote name='Conan' timestamp='1452844385' post='2953930'] This ^ except that I would edit it to say that [i][b]most[/b][/i] BF cabs are very good at putting out what you put in. Some are designed to be coloured Some amps just don't "work" with some cabs. I tried a few different ones with my BF Big One so i learned that the hard way... [/quote] I think all cabs are coloured, I really don't buy into the whole flat response thing, some of the best cabs that I have played have been very "coloured"

[quote name='dood' timestamp='1452843410' post='2953925'] Ooooooh you little monkey [/quote] Lol

[quote name='dood' timestamp='1452842595' post='2953919'] I think maybe you've over reacted Ian as no one has started a row but it's a very good point and a place to start. The OP may well not have to buy anything new at all as the issues could be elsewhere. *trying* not buying an amp could help to discover this. [/quote] Hey Dood I haven't over reacted don't worry, I just woke up feeling a little mischievous this morning 😀 Just playing lol

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1452808919' post='2953790'] The BB2 will go much louder than any other 112 cab, including the Vanderkley. As Barefaced cabs are very good at putting out what you put in I'd suggest you could check your tone settings or check the cab by trying a different amp. [/quote] Absolutely ChrisB I had totally overlooked those things and have now come to my senses... clearly the op needs to learn how to use his amp correctly or even replace his amp altogether for one that is a little more flat response/honest/puts out what you put in/high efficiency/ louder than any other amp for the size and weight, and most importantly can push those very special custom made, top secret, state of the art drivers with unbelievably impressive Xmax and dispersion performance to their limit, it is inconceivable that someone would find a B*******d product not to taste!

I have 2x 112mnt powered by a Puma 900. They love power and sound deep and clear with a slight low mid push. They are also beautifully finished. Can't speak for the PJB and don't want to get involved in another B*******d row😬

I would love to hear that!

[quote name='tauzero' timestamp='1452088456' post='2946246'] Bergantino say that the HDN is more expensive than the HD, and at the moment Mark's doing the CN cheaper than the HD (it was £50 more expensive, now it's £50 cheaper). So it might be the same price as the pre-discount CN series. [/quote] that is exactly what Mark meant...he was referring to full retail price not sale price

I have worked with lots of really average drummers and two absolutely incredible drummers. The two good ones seemed to just have an ability to lay down what was needed for the song, nothing too flash just perfect. The average ones just seem to overplay...badly

[quote name='Ghost_Bass' timestamp='1452006890' post='2945423'] I've checked the 1x12" specs. Humm... $800 + VAT + Import Taxes for a 15kg cab that "only" puts out 350W... i think we can find cheaper/lighter from EU builders without compromising tone. [/quote] From the email that I received from Mark Stickley read the price should be similar to the CN series

Looks like Mark has the CN cabs on special offer at Bass Direct, around £100 saving per cab!