BassTractor

12 hours ago, Leonard Smalls said:

I love Vivaldi's bassoon concertos!

Ah. Don't know those and will check them out.
Thanks for mentioning them.

I do appreciate some of Vivaldi's music, mind, like some of those string concertos for everything between violins, lutes, celli and mandolins, and my use of the word "hack" was not entirely scientific.
That broad brush was about Vivaldi's tendency to set up a structure with some depth where, as soon as he got in trouble he'd run back to the main key at ticket-inducing illegal speed.
In basically identical circumstances, Bach would come up with his trademark physics-defying magic, never hurrying back to safe ground.
 

Not entirely unrelated, I'm reminded of an earlier thread on BC where people said things along the lines of "Derek Bailey can't play and just plays random emperor's-new-clothes notes". I'm sure you defended him, as did I.
The point is: Derek Bailey could play everything, and he mastered every style of jazz. He just didn't play that on record or during gigs, coz that was not Derek Bailey music. 
Like Bach was on another level than Vivaldi was, Bailey was on another level than most others are.


BTW, ClassicFM, as mentioned by @zbd1960 to me is evidence for the notion that my stating Bach was one of the greatest composers still is an unpopular opinion - though of course not unpopular amongst classical musicians, who are in a minority. ClassicFM never plays Bach's more demanding pieces, and never plays complete works.
One could well joke a little and say that ClassicFM is classical music for people who hate classical music. 😃
Another unpopular opinion, I gather. 😃

2 hours ago, JottoSW1 said:

Oddly though Bach was a huge Vivaldi fan, hence the Italian Concerto.

They were as different as possible religiously and personally but both had to produce a lot of music in their (religious) working musician context.

Bach towers over all of his contemporaries, if you want a prolific "hack" of the same period Telemann sure churned music out

Yeah, and I've never understood Bach's reported enthusiasm. Then again, we don't know the details and are also looking at this from the comfort of centuries of further development as well as hindsight overview.
One of Bach's sons reported how Bach had seen or heard a fugue theme and had immediately commented on all the structural implications for the fugue of said theme (a story I have no trouble believing after having experienced the same from a good teacher).
I'd expect Bach to be quite able to look through the weaknesses in Vivaldi's structures, so can only assume he was enthusiastic about certain aspects of Vivaldi's music ...
... or was just happy Vivaldi was no Telemann!  😄

3 hours ago, Leonard Smalls said:

I suspect that's overstating it somewhat!

Aye, and hence the smiley, but I hadn't expected them to even be mentioned, so the last pages brought a smile to my face.
As for unpopular opinions, I remain of the opinion that Vivaldi was a hack (for want of a better word), and that Bach was one of the greatest composers ever ...
... greater even than people who get singles in the Top 40. 😄

It now seems like loving Derek Bailey and Evan Parker is the popular opinion!

Does this thread quickly develop us?
Good, good.
🙂

A whopping two pages and still no mention of the (semi-)instrumentals on Low and "Heroes" ? 😀

Yes, I'm aware they probably weren't Top 40 as per the OP.

Top 40 stuff in Holland came from bands like Focus and Ekseption, but they were far from the only ones. I guess the UK too appreciated those bands to some degree.

Can't comment on recent instrumentals in popular music.

2 hours ago, Maude said:

 

 

Yes, my previously thought unpopular opinion has turned out to be very rather popular. 

 

You win 😁. 

I was only noticing a pattern in the thread and kidding about it. 🙂
(In real life, Jaco and Stanley once paved my way towards jazz and the bass, and I know zilch about Wooten and Miller.)

Not related to the above, and pointed out by others already, if someone likes music you don't like, then that is NOT necessarily only a reflection of their terrible personality traits. It might be a reflection of many things, like their reference frames, musical development, social circles and tastes.

I believe it's a good idea to never forget the standard distribution curve (Gauss curve), which has a remarkable tendency to pop up when you do statistics stuff, almost as if things are quite accidental ...

 

Unpopular?
I really like any of of the 'big bass names' that get rolled out on BC. 

Stanley Clarke, Jaco Pasty-Riots, Victor Wooten, Marcus Miller, you know the ones. All very talented and great to listen to.
😉


 

Going back to the OP: yes, the Bass Station 2 is a good first synth if two octaves is enough.
BRX's posts all nail it, IMHO.

There's a difference between a first synth used for learning synthesis and a first synth used to reproduce sounds from 60 years of hits, to name just a few uses.
For the use @fretmeister indicates, I'd say: go for it. It's simply a good synth, and the patch memory comes in handy as well.

2 hours ago, cheddatom said:

EDIT: I also love how physical it is.

Me too. I keep a corner in my living room free for my future drum set.
(That and drummers have always been the most fun people to be around, quite unlike for example followers of my own religion, organ playing.)

4 hours ago, Newfoundfreedom said:

England coming second was also, at least in part, political. As they are seen across most of Europe as spearheading the support for Ukraine, which bought them a boat load of temporary good will.

Although it's only speculation and there's no way of proving it, I highly suspect that in 'normal times' the UK wouldn't have come anywhere near the top 3. 

 

Although in fairness, it didn't hurt that they actually entered a credible act for a change. 

FWIW, the response in Norway to the British song was one of relief : one was happy that you guys again delivered a potential winner, and one expressed how you were missed after having been so dependable before.
Similar sentiments were reported from Holland.

The "ganging up against us" idea may indeed have been driven by some media as was said, and I'm convinced that that bit at any rate is happening only in your head(s) - not in "Europe".

FWIW2, of the songs I've heard, the British song was second on my list - behind Sweden.

10 minutes ago, yorks5stringer said:

Just got back with my mate Jim  from Turin as we both depped for Subwolfer. Good job I like Bananas...( this only works if you know my first name)!

Have no idea what you're talking about, but am taking this unrelated opportunity to let you known that I really like your teeth. Not sure I told you.

23 hours ago, Dad3353 said:

 

To be held in Moscow, the capital. 

 

... but ... but ... wasn't Kyiv the capital
 

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in Kievan Rus' some 1,000 years ago?
... or am I showing my age here?
😉

Have to agree with the OP. The support you get from folks here is startling.
When I was living rough, one of you sent me yesterday's paper for the tent repair.

No-one mentioned, no-one forgotten.

Thanks, @chris_b and @Bunion! 
For the time being I bought the tracks mentioned by Chris and two Sly tracks with Rustee Allen off "Fresh", and will take it from there. 
I'm confident you guys gave me a good start.
b

Larry Graham is not really mentioned that often if I recall, but I was floored by him yesterday when listening to "Rave Un2 the Year 2000" where he performed with tafka Prince, using what I presume must be a Moon Larry Graham bass, as the headstock seemed to say "Moon".
Anyway, luvverly playing and tone to die for (deep and roundish but still with sonority).

Now, what songs should I hear if I want to know more about him? Interesting playing prioritized.
I've never really been a Sly &tFS man even though their music is agreeable, and know zilch about GCS or about his solo output.
 

Point is I have no sound in my laptop, so can't check YT.
Must just buy some songs and play them from my iPod.

Any help gratefully received!
Bert

Aye, a scam of sorts and completely avoidable.

A shop in Norway fight this by using a longer list of statuses.

IMS, with my attempt at remembering my understanding of it:
"in stock" really means that;
"in remote stock" - still under their software control, but may take time;
"available" - they can see it's in stock somewhere but can't claim the item immediately through their software;

"can be ordered" - it's marked as available from the supplier, but their software can't see the actual stock.

Sounds sound to me.

Thanks for posting!

Don't know what I think yet as I haven't heard the piece itself, but I'll be sure to try and find it.

This may well be the first concerto for bass and orchestra, but I think it needs to be said, which they did not, that using the bass in classical music has been done at the very least since the 60s.
Several of my composition teachers had used the bass in their work back then, but also: some of Zappa's work compositionally links more to classical than to pop and rock.
The same thing goes for many other artists - for example Art Zoyd.

3 hours ago, mikel said:

Chris, by a mile. Why? Note choice, note placement, musicality, and making the bass the standout instrument in a ludicrously talented band.

Three words: Total Mass Retain.
I can't remember anyone having done anything like that, though I'm sure there must have been.

Edit for the uninitiated: 'Total Mass Retain' is part 2 of the four-part 'Close to the Edge' song.
Unbelievable notes with an unbelievable rhythm.
Analysis won't do it justice, I think. IMHO it's so unique it has to be experienced by the musical ear.

Here's the single edit:
 

40 minutes ago, Bassfinger said:

IIRC Bluntstone did a solo version of She's Not There in the eatly 70's, released under a daft pseudonym?

Yup. He did it as Neil MacArthur in 1969, and later covered it several times, a.o. on his album "Sings His Greatest Hits" when he was much older.

Thanks, @Bassfinger, for my two first guesses in Wordle tomorrow: BLUNT and STONE. 😉

It has to be mentioned that some years ago, Rod Argent or Colin Blunstone laughed heartily when fans after Zombies gigs asked them why in the world they chose to play a Santana song. 😃

For me, maybe wrongly, the Zombies heritage was taken care of not by Rod Argent or Chris White but with Colin Blunstone's solo albums, especially "One Year" and "Ennismore", though IMHO also "Journey" had many great songs. Both Argent and White wrote songs for Blunstone.

One of the most special Blunstone songs was a cover of Tim Hardin's "Misty Roses", with a stunning string quartet (or quintet?) arrangement by Christopher Gunning, which took the hit right out of it and put in music instead. 😃
I lack the discipline to abstain from posting it:
 

Does it come as a surprise the Belmont Conservative Club spawns a "Back to the 80's Tribrute Night" (sic) ?
Of course they actually mean "Back to the 80s Tri-Brute Night"
😐

Some innocent readers might think many of this thread's posts are simply guesses.
They are not.
They are bits of serious advice for the ambitious musicians amongst us.

2 hours ago, Bassfinger said:

The biggest blow to the lunar landing conspiracists seems to be that the trails of the astronauts footprints are visible from lunar orbit

Ha! But Lunar Orbit doesnt exist!
You dont have no csienfitic date to proof dat!


Heres proof:

Orbit
Peppermint Orbit
Spearmint Orbit
Eucalyptus Orbit
Mint Orbit
Bubblemint Orbit
Wintermint Orbit
Winterfresh Orbit
Cinnamint Orbit (discontinued)
Cinnamon Orbit (discontinued)
Sweetmint Orbit
Freeze Mint Orbit
Citrusmint Orbit
Apple Remix Orbit
Tropical Remix Orbit
Strawberry Remix Orbit
Wildberry Remix Orbit
Peppermint DoublePak Orbit
Spearmint DoublePak Orbit
Citrus Remix Orbit
Melon Remix Orbit
Crystal Mint Orbit
Lemon Lime Orbit
Mint Mojito Orbit
Maui Melon Mint Orbit
Positively Pomegranate Orbit
Raspberry Mint Orbit
Fabulous Fruitini Orbit
Sangria Fresca Orbit (discontinued)
Strawberry Mint Orbit
Lime Melon Orbit
Piña Colada Orbit
Orange Cardamom Orbit
Mixed Fruit Orbit
Coca Cola Orbit

 

Thanks for the tips!
I knew Professor Dave Explains, but SciManDan was new to me.

As to the thread subject, I think it's a good idea we remember that quite some perceivedly stupid stuff on ze webz is actually sarcasm.

Oh, and lest we forget: people like Ray Comfort and Kent Hovind are just there to make lotsa money over the backs of their gullible victims. I found Ray Comfort especially funny when he published "On the Origin of Species" - - with his own "comments", but leaving out the chapters that totally destroy everything Mr. Comfort says about these things,
...oh and BTW: extra points for publishing it under the wrong title "The Origin of Species".

 

1 hour ago, SteveXFR said:

 

I bet he does his own research on youtube

Ha! Some fairly well-known geocentrist on YT stated in full seriousness that he knew what he was talking about, coz he had
"studied the subject for 1.5 years  ...  (pause)  ...  on the Internet ..." 

I always find this stuff extra funny in the light of these people's total disdain for other people's real education.

Yes, from now on, I'll exclusively listen to toddlers when I want to know more about a subject.