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[quote name='bassicinstinct' post='423235' date='Mar 2 2009, 02:25 PM']On the other hand, is it not the case that there are countless bands or artistes of glaringly obvious quality and/or talent who sell little or nothing or may even be unsigned and would it not be reasonable to consider them to be "under rated"? Or am I missing something? [/quote] Not always the case because those artists do not have the commecial backing and exposure to get noticed to a wider audience. It does not mean they are under-rated. It's more of a case that they are just not very well known. Again, this goes back to the point of people liking U2. The early U2 albums only sold a few million. However, the popularity was growing and the next few albums sold more and more copies until they peaked with the Joshua Tree at 25 million. Coming up to date they are still selling 9 million copies so the popularity is still high. Take a band like Oasis who sold a few million early on but the last few albums have really dropped in album sales and I don't think even hit 1 million. I guess people/fans just don't rate them as much anymore. As for Westlife, I don't like them but for what they, I would rate them as one of the better boybands. They are clearly popular and the grannies and young girlies rate them very highly. Anyway, I don't think we are going to see eye to eye on this so best we just drop it and agree to disagree. I really don't want to get into arguments on this very fine forum. This is one of the nicest forums I read and I would sooner keep it that way and try to remain friends with everyone

[quote name='bassicinstinct' post='423163' date='Mar 2 2009, 01:20 PM']144 million album sales means an act [b]can't [/b]be over rated?!?! The logic of that proposal [b]totally[/b] defeats me. I'd have thought that the very fact that sales were high would tend to lend credence to the allegation but, hey, what do I know. [/quote] Don't be defeated, its easy. 144 million people like their music and so buy it. You, as 1 person do not. I think the 144 million people who have bought the albums shows a lot of people like the music. See, its easy. Even taking the last album which in my opinion was ok, sold 9 million album. Where as Oasis I think have not even sold 1 million of their last album. So U2 music liked and Oasis music not so liked. After all this time, which I think is about 30 years for U2, a band that was over-rated would not had sold 144 million copies and 9 million on their last album. Surely people would had realised that if they were over-rated that they would give up buying the music.

[quote name='51m0n' post='423065' date='Mar 2 2009, 12:11 PM']Total personal opinion, cant stand U2, never have. Although the first two songs I heard from them (Sunday Bloody Sunday and something else) I thought were OK at the time, I never felt they really did anything particularly great or all that worthy of amazement. Not once. Having said that I never liked the Smiths either (gets asbestos coat on and ducks). And Bono does his very best to come across as a t*t every time I see or hear anything from him. Last point, just having a huge number of sales doesn't make anything good in this industry - really. It is, and always was, very much a self perpetuating marketing machine, thats why they were on the JR show in the first place, no doubt billed as the saviours of rock and roll. ANd the vast majority of the public have historically bought what they were told to by said marketing machine. So don't quote sales figures to me as they are no indication of musical quality whatsoever. Anyone care to judge the output of Stock Aitkin and Waterman purely on sales? And now apply some musical taste and discretion to you judgment; still the same? Then you sir are IMHO a philistine.[/quote] Not sure who is more of a t*t. Bono or Morrisey. Morrisey keeps raving on about being a eco friendly vegatarian celibate ponse who dances around with flowers in his back pocket with an elvis quiff singing the same morbid depresive lyrics about someone either in a coma or about to be run over by a bus. Have to disagree on the sales point. The reason it was raised was because it was claimed U2 were over-rated. 144 million album sales really shows that a lot of people like them and so they can't really be classed as over-rated. Their last album alone sold 9 million. To put it in perspective, Stock Atkin and Waterman have sold 40 million worldwide. A drop in the ocean compared to U2 sales. The argument of sales versus quality however is very different but that was not being discussed.

I really am going to have to bite my tongue here. I would probably say I am the biggest U2 fan on this board so a lot of the comments are bugging me and annoying the crap out of me. I don't mind the comments saying I don't like U2, or Bono etc but saying a band is over-rated or crap really is pretty lame. A band as big as U2 in all honesty can't be classed as over rated. You may not like them but selling 144 million albums worldwide does not make them overated unless your opinion means more than 144 million people. Boy : ~3m October : ~3m War : ~8m UABRS : ~8m Unforgettable Fire : ~8m WAIA : ~2m Joshua Tree : ~25m Rattle & Hum : ~14m Achtung Baby : ~17m Zooropa : ~8m Pop : ~6m Best of 1980-90 : ~16m ATYCLB : ~12m Best of 1990-00 : ~5m HTDAAB : ~9m Total = ~144 million Also, having worked with some of the engineers/producers of U2 albums, I know what a lot of them think and say of the band as musicians. I would bet a large amount of money that a lot of people here would not be able to play Adam's bass lines as well as he. He is considered one of the tightest, spot on in time bass players around. I agree, he is not one of the most technical and he knows it but U2's music does not require that which I must admit, in my opinion is a shame. For the record, I find Adam's bass playing far more intersting within the context of the song than say listening to Victor Wooton or Jaco. To much noodling or fret w***ing and not enough substance. Early U2 songs had some great bass lines but it is a shame that U2 have gone away from this sound. In my opinion, The Edge is relying on far too many effects these days. They are still writing some great songs but I think they are trying to be too clever with the way they are presenting them. I would love to see U2 go back to the War/Unforgetable Fire period but I can't see it ever happening. The last album sold 9 million copies and the one before that 12 million. They are clearly doing somerthing right. As for the new album, well I think its sh*t. Honestly, I think the songs are weak, bland and totally lost of direction. I got the leaked copy some weeks ago and I thought it was a joke. Sadly, it is not. Ok, there are one or two good songs but most of it is very very weak. The general feeing among the U2 news group I am a member of also feel this way. I also agree that the recent live shows on the BBC and French TV etc have be very very poor. Anyway, I just hope some can put it in perspective and see that you may not like U2, or Bono as a frontman or Adam's bass playing and you may hate the songs but the sales show for themselves that they certainly are not overrated. Enough people like them but your just not one of them

I so want that Adam Clayton one

[quote name='stoo' post='420452' date='Feb 26 2009, 10:17 PM']Don't Lakland already make one of them?[/quote] Sure do and I want one

[quote name='P-T-P' post='420099' date='Feb 26 2009, 02:31 PM']Lakland did do a limited run of Skylines with an Adam Clayton set-up... natural, black blocks, unbound. I believe one of our esteemed members here has one, though his was further customized with Chi-Sonic pick-ups.[/quote] Now that I would kill to see and would quite possibly love to own. Anyone know who here has it or got any pictures of this bass??

[quote name='BigBeefChief' post='419871' date='Feb 26 2009, 09:40 AM']The trouble is, what you've described sounds different to everyone. Describing sound is so subjective. When I try a new amp, I usually look for amps with 3 knobs. The one on the left (Bass) I put most of the way up. The one in the middle (the one that does nothing apart from increase the clattering noise when you play) either gets turned turned most of the way down or off completely. The one furthest right, I can't really remeber where that goes (I think somewhere between in the middle and all the way up). In terms of basses, I won't go near anything with batteries of 5 strings. I don't like new strings either. I like what could be described as a dull thud. I would probably like flats but can't be bothered trying them. I like to sound like by playing has been recorded on really old and dusty cheapo studio gear.[/quote] I thought I was hardcore but you take it to a new level. Instead of turning things on full or off, I try and keep it all flat. Two knobs is better for me. Bass and treble. Then on the bass, if its a precision then volume on full and tone on either full treble or in the middle. If a Jazz then both volumes on full and tone of full treble or in the middle. As a rule, I hate 5 strings, actives, lots of knobs and dials. However, I can accept a Musicman Stingray. Generally, passive is best though. No pedals either. Plug in and play. I like my sound to be full but not fat. If I am playing 8's then I like them to be full but every single note heard, not just a constant low deep noise. I like the 70's Precision clank. Musicman is normally too thin and trebly but some days it sounds great. Its just never fat enough for me. I like a bass sound to sound angry.

[quote name='stingrayfan' post='419113' date='Feb 25 2009, 10:56 AM']America - when the £ against the $ was better. (my G&L bass) Otherwise: here (several basses, Trace Elliot stuff), online retailers like Absolute (leads, mixer etc), Ebay (odds and sods like strings) and Andertons in Guildford, Surrey (Yammy bass and Warwick cab - great store). There is a big guitar shop in my town but they're so aloof and overpriced, that I've stopped going in there.[/quote] Fleet or Farnham or other??

[quote name='Geek99' post='418525' date='Feb 24 2009, 04:34 PM']An adam clayton sig bass would just be a standard maple jazz as far as I can see; that's all I have seen him play recently. I think jpj just played a standard 62 3sb r/w jazz as far as I can recall; I think I read somewhere that he still has it[/quote] Well, Adam's basses are, AUERSWALD-A. Clayton Custom [fretless]-Yellow-[1996/97] AUERSWALD-A. Clayton Custom [fretted]-Yellow-[1996/97] EPIPHONE // Rivoli (hollow-body // 19xx // finish uncertain FENDER - Jazz bass - [196x] candy apple red finish FENDER - Jazz bass - [1961] sunburst finish FENDER - Jazz bass - [1964] Sherwood Green finish FENDER - Jazz bass - [1965] Shoreline Gold finish FENDER - Jazz bass - [1966] sunburst finish FENDER - Jazz bass - [1972] sunburst finish FENDER - Jazz Deluxe Bass - [19xx] - vintage white finish (w. dark tortoiseshell pick guard) FENDER - Precision bass - [19xx] - black finish/white pickguard FENDER - Precision bass - [19xx] - white finish/tortoise pickguard FENDER - Precision bass - [1972 or 1973] - sunburst finish/finish highly faded/Jazz neck FENDER - Precision bass - [1997] - [finish confirmed] GIBSON - Firebird bass - [19xx] - natural finish GIBSON - Firebird bass (non-reverse) - [19xx] - natural finish GIBSON - Les Paul Recording Bass - [197x] - white finish GIBSON - RD bass - [19xx] - natural finish IBANEZ - Musician bass - [19xx] - dark brown finish IBANEZ - Roadstar bass - [19xx] - black finish LAKLAND - Bob Glaub signature model - [Xxxx] - natural finish/black pickguard LAKLAND - Daryl Jones signature model - [2005] - Metallic Gold / custom finish LAKLAND - Daryl Jones signature model - [2005] - Metallic Teal / custom finish LAKLAND - Daryl Jones signature model - [2005] - Natural finish (QTY. 2) LAKLAND - Joe Osborne signature model - [Xxxx] - natural finish LAKLAND - Joe Osborne signature model - [Xxxx] - tobacco sunburst finish RICKENBACKER - 4001 bass - [19xx] - Fireglo finish WASHBURN - acoustic bass - 198x - natural finish ZON - Legacy bass - [pre-1986] - white finish Last night on French TV he ws playing FENDER Jazz bass - [196x] candy apple red finish and FENDER Precision bass - [19xx] - white finish/tortoise pickguard. His main bass for years though was FENDER Precision bass [1972 or 1973] sunburst finish/finish highly faded/Jazz neck.

What about Sir Paul McCartney?? Anyone done a signature model for him?

[quote name='EBS_freak' post='418360' date='Feb 24 2009, 01:25 PM']Mark King will play anything given to him! I seem to recall a signature Alembic too. I think theres a bit in here - [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_King_(musician)"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_King_(musician)[/url][/quote] [b][i]In 1996, King briefly used Fender basses. A limited run of 42 "Mark King" Jazz basses were made, based on the American Deluxe series, built and set up to King's specifications. They all came fitted with SIM's LED lights, flat-radiused fingerboards and a custom neck plate engraved with his signature.[/i][/b]

[quote name='EBS_freak' post='418349' date='Feb 24 2009, 01:16 PM']Mark King? - just a few... Fender did a limited run of 42 Mark King signatures... Jaydee had some Mark King specced basses... oh... and ever heard of the Status King Bass? I'll give you one guess where the name came from... Wasn't there a Adam Clayton signature bass with one string?[/quote] I had no idea Mark King played Fender but then I don't know much about Mark King lol

Just for a bit of fun really. Just wondering who you guys think should have a signature model bass after them. I think Fender missed the boat on possibly an Adam Clayton one back in the late 80's early 90's. OK, not a great bass player in terms of technique but the name U2 must have been a money maker. What about Mick Khan? Has there ever been a Mark King signature bass?

[quote name='gary mac' post='418185' date='Feb 24 2009, 10:44 AM']Trying to learn the set list for a dep later in the year, so far: Dakota-stereophonics sit down-james live forever-oasis why does it always rain on me-travis laid-james good souls-star sailor getting away with it-james. only another nineteen numbers to go.[/quote] Bit of a Manchester/90's indie vibe you got there I love starsailor.

[quote name='steantval' post='418050' date='Feb 24 2009, 12:08 AM']Currently working on for the rehearsal on Sunday - New Years Day U2 Barracuda Heart What is and what should never be Led Zep[/quote] I doubt you will as its so so easy to play, but let me know if you need a hand with New years Day. I have a video on YouTube. [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCe2fba51EY"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCe2fba51EY[/url]

obbm How are you getting on with your Little Giant?? Still happy, more happy, less happy?? Also, any news from Ashdown with regards to the mountings??

[quote name='liamcapleton' post='417392' date='Feb 23 2009, 01:33 PM']But... I really like Guy Berryman from Coldplay, he can do no wrong in my eyes... say what you want about the band, but can you argue with his bass lines?[/quote] Having listened to a lot of Coldplay, none of the basslines stand out to me as amazing. Have I missed something???

[quote name='Cantdosleepy' post='417431' date='Feb 23 2009, 02:07 PM']Never read anyone on here ever bag on Mani or Peter Hook. The occiasional 'not my cup of tea' but that's as far as anyone's gone. I've definitely read criticisms of Enthwistle here.[/quote] I saw a thread on here recently that had some very negative comments about Peter Hook.

Currently working on, Lets Dance - David Bowie Muse - Muscle Museum Smokey Robinson & The Miracles - Tears Of A Clown Talk Talk - Living In Another World (Bloody hard to work out whats being played note for note) Talk Talk - Today U2 - Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For U2 - Where The Streets Have No Name U2 - One Foo Fighters - Pretender Foo Fighters - All My Life

Wow, a lot of Lakland love going on here. really appreciate everyones opinion.

In my hunt for a Precision bass, I have now found myself at another crossroads. Either waiting for a Vintage Japanese Fender Precision comes up for sale or look at the Lakland Duck Dunn Precision. I know the Japanese Fender is going to be great but I know nothing about Lakland basses. My main concern is the sound. I am really after that 70's Fender Precision gritty growl. The sort of sound similar on the Stranglers song Peaches. Is this something the Lakland Duck Dunn can produce? Is this what it sounds like or is it more of a muddy Motown type of sound? I am also planning on this bass being my main workhorse so I want it to be reliable or sound right. Is it worth me looking at the Lakland Duck Dunn or would it be wise to hold out for th Jap Fender Precision. My budget is about £500 so I am looking at secondhand. Thanks for any advice.

[quote name='warwickhunt' post='415223' date='Feb 20 2009, 01:01 PM']I liked a couple of your lines particularly coming up to the bridge, though I thought that you looked a bit early into some of the apexes... then again I've never been around Oulton Park. Oh and congrats on the compliment from PW. [/quote] HAHAHAHA that cracked me up. Nice one

[quote name='51m0n' post='415138' date='Feb 20 2009, 11:43 AM']Thats the best compliment from the best person who could possibly give it. No wonder you're made up, any person on this site would be stoked if the same thing happened to them. Enjoy it, you clearly deserve to. Top fella bothering to tell you he thought it was a good job too, he must know how much it would mean to you after all.[/quote] Thanks and yes I am still buzzing. So much that I am going out to a toy shop and treating my son to a present, and then buying my wife some flowers and then trwat myself to some cables from Obhm. I'm in a big happy mood :)