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[quote name='4000' post='466256' date='Apr 18 2009, 05:21 PM']Point is we'll play for free, and usually do, nearly always have. [color="#FF0000"][size=3]Doesn't cost anyone anything[/size].[/color] How can we prove whether we're entertaining enough if we can't get on in the first place? We'd happily play for nothing [i]before[/i] a cover band, but no, that's usually not acceptable either. Unknown quantity. All I can say is that many of you are obviously lucky enough not to be subjected to the type of artistic backwater that is Blackpool.[/quote] I don't think Blackpool is unusual or you are alone here. Everyone is having a financially hard time.. You playing for nothing does not mean it costs the venue nothing to put you on. They still have to pay the rent etc, and the staff. The thing that many bands don't understand is the opportunity costs. That's the difference between you playing and attracting no one and costing them a night's costs with no profit, and them having a covers band ram the place and them making a shedload of profit and thus staying in business another day. Good luck getting one of the originals gigs. Let us know how it goes..

[quote name='waynepunkdude' post='466726' date='Apr 19 2009, 01:52 PM']English FAIL!!! [/quote] +1 That was awful! Is it worth it? It's worth what people will pay for it. Wait and find out

Chris is a very nice bloke ... Bought the Valenti #005 P bass from me and came all the way to Cardiff to try it! Hero!

[quote name='lemmywinks' post='466829' date='Apr 19 2009, 05:25 PM']Cheers bud, gonna look into getting one I think. Cheapest I found including shipping was in the US! What are they actually made of if you don't mind me asking? Just wooden base and hard foam legs? Feeling a blue peter moment coming on! Cheers Steve[/quote] Good news there Molan .. It's a great feeling I hope to have one day So can you take the venue with you too? The Gramma's are great. BassDirect do them too. I looked at a blue peter approach too (Lidl do some nice gardners's kneelers foam things for a few quid) but the Gramma is really well put together and solid and easy to pack and transport that it just made more sence to get the real thing .. I think all boomy venues should have them there for the bass rig. Our local one has an isolation platform built in that does the same thing as part of its approach to controlling the noise hassle for neighbours.

[quote name='thisnameistaken' post='466215' date='Apr 18 2009, 04:14 PM']There's no rule that says people can only be in one band. If you think they might be interested, ask them.[/quote] +1 just do both bands .. Some people really don't want he hassle and aggravation that is the function band mallarchy and just want to play for fun in a pub. that's not wrong, it just seems be different to what you want.

[quote name='4000' post='466116' date='Apr 18 2009, 01:33 PM']I think everyone is missing the point really. The audience isn't really the issue, I just want the opportunity to actually play TO an audience. The main difference between now and then (previous band) is that the venues aren't there any more; 90% of the venues we used to play at don't have bands anymore at all, and 5 of the remaining 10 percent don't have originals bands. Even if the old band was still going we'd still have nowhere to play.[/quote] No, The audience [b][size=3]is[/size][/b] the issue. If you are not entertaining enough to attract a decent audience no one will give you a gig at present as there is not the spare cash to risk it. Why should they when the next band asking is playing easy to market cover/trib/party stuff that does fill the venue? You said earlier that you don't want to risk your own money to put on your own gigs and you don't want to play covers but you still want a gig. Your only option is to bullsh1t a gig in a covers venue then sell 300 tickets and prove you can beat the covers bands at their own game or wait for teh recession to blow over .......

[quote name='4000' post='465811' date='Apr 18 2009, 01:22 AM']I don't expect people to fall at our feet, I just want to play a gig. Why should I have to play covers? It's like a painter having to make a living copying other people's paintings. Bollocks, basically. [size=3][b]I used to be in a different originals band and we played a couple of covers, but no-one knew they were covers. We went down a storm 99% of the time, [/b][/size]and the most popular tracks? Our own. It all depends where you play and who you're playing to. I'd sooner give up playing live altogether than have to play covers for a living. Unless of course I was playing Space Ritual in its entirety. [/quote] So what did your successful covers band do that made them successful? And why can't you do that in your local venues now? Get a Monday gig and build. It still sounds like you expect the venue to lay on an appreciative audience for you rather than generate one yourselves. Oh and the Beatles method is ancient history. I was there in the 60's and they paved the way for the guitar band but don't think for one moment that things are like that now.

Big thread on BGM here, the changes, ideas, brickbats and bouquets - started last month [url="http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?s=&showtopic=45316&view=findpost&p=449787"]http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?s=&sho...st&p=449787[/url]

[quote name='51m0n' post='465304' date='Apr 17 2009, 05:55 PM']You mean you cant transpose on the fly..........[/quote] Ha ha I love that transpose from E to F#? No problem for me, try that Mister So Cool guitarist

[quote name='jbwaddy' post='465293' date='Apr 17 2009, 05:47 PM']well said nick thats also a good tip alun never thought of that one. the way i transpose on the spot is not to concentrate on the notes so much but to think of the shapes my fingers make on the fret board. not exactley text book but its always worked for me[/quote] Indeed .. Remember you are auditioning them as well and get the drummer's number in case you and he are great and the rest are rubbish ... Linus27 just went through this so there's a long thread about auditioning [url="http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?s=&showtopic=45632&view=findpost&p=453206"]here...[/url]

[quote name='acidbass' post='465199' date='Apr 17 2009, 04:22 PM']I still smile every time I hear the bassline to 'This Charming Man'. Quality, innovative bass playing![/quote] and Sheila take a bow .. Fab use of "The Gap" pushing things along

[quote name='soopercrip' post='465136' date='Apr 17 2009, 03:27 PM']spangles and curly wurlies.... [/quote] [url="http://www.aquarterof.co.uk/"]http://www.aquarterof.co.uk/[/url]

I'm so fed up with this country being overrun with foreigners that I'm retiring to Spain

Good stuff indeed .. What the Led Zep track that it sounds like?

[quote name='odub' post='464724' date='Apr 17 2009, 09:50 AM']I'm just amazed, and really ashamed at my comment about the bit at the end. Juan you're one of my favorite ever players, thanks so much for replying to me directly.[/quote] Ho ho You may want to keep an eye on your audiences for a while, odub.....

[quote name='thepurpleblob' post='464715' date='Apr 17 2009, 09:43 AM']Those women in your sig are showing their breasts! What is this country coming to? Think of the children etc.[/quote] Women? Oh goodness! I though that was The Who! Thank goodness for my varifocals and magnifying glass

[quote name='Adrenochrome' post='464666' date='Apr 17 2009, 08:25 AM']All of the above.[/quote] +1 I blame the parents

[quote name='4000' post='464376' date='Apr 16 2009, 08:25 PM']As for putting on our own gigs, I may as well just burn the contents of my wallet and have done with it. [/quote] Ha ha yeah, well at least you know that anyone putting on a gig needs to at least break even. That's why the venues have covers, tribs and party bands on as much as possible ...