stingrayPete1977

Loud I'd imagine!

Thinking about it you don't hear them played on the radio much do you?

Even as a bass player I haven't heard of most of the bass players with a signature bass available. Try asking Joe public if they know who Gene Simmons is then try Victor Wootton or Duck Dunn, I know who'd be most 'famous'.

That people have lived in to their 60s and beyond? They'll always be Beatles fans of course but they'll be on decline over the next twenty years.

Has it got a 'boxy' sound?

They are but then they pose in front of the stacks in magazines or online adverts to sell the old school stuff to the dinosaurs

I think I can just about cope with the "my sound" guys but I wouldn't stay in a band with a "got to have this volume to get my sound" guy anymore.

It sounds like one solution and a good one to me.

But you can go the other way, one of those trace Elf boxes into the p.a. giving you the same stage sound and volume at every gig. Volume bass middle and treble for you to play with, myriad of stuff for the person doing the desk.

The thing is because the stage volume is much reduced you'll hear some of the foh anyway so a third RCF isn't needed, I played my upright for a few songs at a wedding gig with the bass fed through the singers small powered wedge, it sounded fine with the bottom end coming from around the room and the detail from the wedge, I'll be doing it that way in future as it was a quick change over, unmute the double bass on the tablet and away!

Baby milk?

The biggest difference not mentioned in the comparisons is the fact that yes both systems will work in a pub but the full range PA and small/no backline option can go bigger without hiring/buying/borrowing/storing/transporting more kit, I've never been in a band that rigidly sticks to one size of venue, large function room, marquee, small pub, big pub and outdoors have all been done on the last few years, sometimes at short notice, two RCF tops and a bag with the mixer and leads in combined with a combo for monitoring and I'm set for anything from the tickled trout to a 500 capacity marquee.

The options are both endless or actually really simple, I'd sell my rig and keep my RCFs if the band folded, xair and the RCFs stacked using the mixer as my head would out perform virtually anything, one speaker and my bdi or Genz head di would be portable and an ampeg slayer anyway, lol.

You could display a 31 band EQ on a tablet next to your drink with a real time analysis graph jumping around during your gig of you want, how much more adaptability could you want?

yes

I wouldn't even need the helix, I gig pre eq most of the time, that's £730 saved, the xair digital mixers have guitar and bass amps built in too, I'd never go back now.

As end says it depends on the speakers, my full range PA (735s) is no larger physically than yours but we could leave the guitar and bass amps/cabinets at home or as I said if starting from scratch not even buy them, that's cheaper and less storage space, stage space, quicker setup etc etc, to top it off it will sound better and be more controllable volume wise. There's a reason professional function bands operate that way.

I'd seriously consider selling my Genz 2x12 and Shuttlemax 9.2 to fund a nice wedge, I rarely use them anyway these days.

There's a lot of pub bands with a great guitar amp, bass amp, drum kit and great vocalists who then put the vocals through a Tandy PA because it's "just for vocals", if you were starting from scratch a good pa and modern desk complete with good wedges facing the players instead of backline would be perfect.

If you've got a TC head you can have double without question.

Fwiw I can read fly stinky poo, it doesn't stop me enjoying technically flawed or simple pop and rock songs.

I agree, I'm sure plenty of educated people would disagree with jaywalker's posts, Goodhall for a start, there's only one person here trying to make this an us and them thread.

Wem dominator!? One man's trash is another man's treasure as they say Musical exchange in brum had a tunnel full of 'interesting' stuff, I always wondered why they didn't junk it to make more room, probably worth a few quid now.