Report on Music Streaming Services

[wateroftyne]

1 hour ago, Dad3353 said:

 

No more than the craftsmen or women that made the tables and chairs need continual remboursement; without those, all would sit on the floor. No, the music should have a fixed price which, once paid, ends the matter, the same as buying chairs to sit on. 

But - through no fault of the artists - the mechanism to pay for music once, and own it, doesn’t really exist as a going concern any more.

 

Have you read the first post in this thread? Are you actually aware of the streaming phenomenon?

Edited December 5, 2022 by wateroftyne

[Dad3353]

2 hours ago, wateroftyne said:

But - through no fault of the artists - the mechanism to pay for music once, and own it, doesn’t really exist as a going concern any more.

 

Have you read the first post in this thread? Are you actually aware of the streaming phenomenon?

 

Chippendale closed down, too, but people still buy chairs. Yes, I know about streaming, but I don't see it as being 'free' as you seem to. It's not 'free', just paid for indirectly.
Musicians (or rather 'declared musicians' get  a tiny sum for each play of whatever they've signed up to. Back in the olden days, a deal was struck and the declared musicians got a tiny cut of sales. Nothing has changed but the size of the cut and the volume of 'sales'. There's no-one to blame for any of that but those who sign the contracts.
I could go much, much further, as I don't agree with the present idea of 'worth' and 'salaries' in any case, but that's a separate issue. If anyone is offered a bad deal on their music, it's simple enough : don't sign such a deal. 

[wateroftyne]

2 minutes ago, Dad3353 said:

 

Chippendale closed down, too, but people still buy chairs. Yes, I know about streaming, but I don't see it as being 'free' as you seem to. It's not 'free', just paid for indirectly.
Musicians (or rather 'declared musicians' get  a tiny sum for each play of whatever they've signed up to. Back in the olden days, a deal was struck and the declared musicians got a tiny cut of sales. Nothing has changed but the size of the cut and the volume of 'sales'. There's no-one to blame for any of that but those who sign the contracts.
I could go much, much further, as I don't agree with the present idea of 'worth' and 'salaries' in any case, but that's a separate issue. If anyone is offered a bad deal on their music, it's simple enough : don't sign such a deal. 

You seem to be narrowly focusing on bands that are part of the corporate machine. 
 

My posts are mainly referring to the swathes of cottage industry DIYers, who could previously invest in the recording and pressing of an an album, fairly confident that they would at least recoup their expenses (or even - shock, horror - make a small profit).

 

Now, unless they have money to burn, that outlet has gone. 

[Dad3353]

1 minute ago, wateroftyne said:

You seem to be narrowly focusing on bands that are part of the corporate machine. 
 

My posts are mainly referring to the swathes of cottage industry DIYers, who could previously invest in the recording and pressing of an an album, fairly confident that they would at least recoup their expenses (or even - shock, horror - make a small profit).

 

Now, unless they have money to burn, that outlet has gone. 

 

There's no money now in 'roll out the barrel' joanna-playing in pubs, either, or tap-dancing. The Wheel of Life has turned, and with turn further. It's not that I rejoice in any of it (I earned very little when I was playing professionally, which is why I had a day job and career...), it's only a factor of modern life, that's all. Farm labourers used to be everywhere, then tractors became a 'thing', and the jobs went. Not much call for miners now, either. I used to help out on a milk round, and baker's delivery; papers were delivered to the door by kids  bearing huge satchels of morning press. If any of that exists still, somewhere, it's now rare. One adapts (or not...) and Life goes on.

[wateroftyne]

2 minutes ago, Dad3353 said:

 

There's no money now in 'roll out the barrel' joanna-playing in pubs, either, or tap-dancing. The Wheel of Life has turned, and with turn further. It's not that I rejoice in any of it (I earned very little when I was playing professionally, which is why I had a day job and career...), it's only a factor of modern life, that's all. Farm labourers used to be everywhere, then tractors became a 'thing', and the jobs went. Not much call for miners now, either. I used to help out on a milk round, and baker's delivery; papers were delivered to the door by kids  bearing huge satchels of morning press. If any of that exists still, somewhere, it's now rare. One adapts (or not...) and Life goes on.

OK.

[SumOne]

One possible good thing with streaming :

 

 

"UK artists dominate Top 10 singles of 2022 for first time since records began"

 

"For the first time since year-end charts were introduced more than 50 years ago, British artists have made up the entirety of the year’s 10 most popular songs in the UK."

 

The UK’s Top 10 most popular singles of 2022

1 Harry Styles – As It Was
2 Ed Sheeran – Bad Habits
3 Fireboy DML & Ed Sheeran – Peru
4 Cat Burns – Go
5 Ed Sheeran – Shivers
6 Kate Bush – Running Up That Hill
7 Glass Animals – Heat Waves
8 Lost Frequencies and Calum Scott – Where Are You Now
9 LF System – Afraid to Feel
10 Sam Fender – Seventeen Going Under

 

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/jan/04/uk-top-10-singles-of-2022-were-all-by-british-artists-harry-styles

 

[PaulWarning]

6 minutes ago, SumOne said:

One possible good thing with streaming :

 

 

"UK artists dominate Top 10 singles of 2022 for first time since records began"

 

"For the first time since year-end charts were introduced more than 50 years ago, British artists have made up the entirety of the year’s 10 most popular songs in the UK."

 

The UK’s Top 10 most popular singles of 2022

1 Harry Styles – As It Was
2 Ed Sheeran – Bad Habits
3 Fireboy DML & Ed Sheeran – Peru
4 Cat Burns – Go
5 Ed Sheeran – Shivers
6 Kate Bush – Running Up That Hill
7 Glass Animals – Heat Waves
8 Lost Frequencies and Calum Scott – Where Are You Now
9 LF System – Afraid to Feel
10 Sam Fender – Seventeen Going Under

 

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/jan/04/uk-top-10-singles-of-2022-were-all-by-british-artists-harry-styles

 

not sure what that's got to do with streaming tbh, more to do with the UK's recording industry being in a good place, mind you I've not heard any of them, must make the effort

[SumOne]

6 minutes ago, PaulWarning said:

not sure what that's got to do with streaming tbh, more to do with the UK's recording industry being in a good place, mind you I've not heard any of them, must make the effort

 

I assume that streaming has something to do with it as that is how most people consume music now and is is part of where they get the top 10 listening stats from.  Perhaps streaming somehow localises listening whereas physical sales can be more dominated by big international labels with big distribution and global advertising deals?  

Edited January 5, 2023 by SumOne

[Oomo]

On 05/12/2022 at 23:44, Dad3353 said:

 

There's no money now in 'roll out the barrel' joanna-playing in pubs, either, or tap-dancing. The Wheel of Life has turned, and with turn further. It's not that I rejoice in any of it (I earned very little when I was playing professionally, which is why I had a day job and career...), it's only a factor of modern life, that's all. Farm labourers used to be everywhere, then tractors became a 'thing', and the jobs went. Not much call for miners now, either. I used to help out on a milk round, and baker's delivery; papers were delivered to the door by kids  bearing huge satchels of morning press. If any of that exists still, somewhere, it's now rare. One adapts (or not...) and Life goes on.

Reminds me of talking to an older traditional Irish musician I met some years ago.

 

He talked about how when he was young, there was no recorded music in the small village he lived in, so most people there played something . Musicians were welcome in every pub, and anytime there was a party or event (like the end of harvest season), all the music would be provided by local musicians playing live.

 

He's still in the same village now, and says that music at pubs and parties is now pretty much all just played from CDs/streaming etc. He thinks it's a bit of a shame, but was fairly zen about it, and figured that what people really want is to listen to music and dance and sing (which he says hasn't changed over the years), but when it comes down to it, they don't care so much where the music comes from (live vs. recorded vs. CD vs. streaming etc.) as long as they can still socialise and dance.