Faithless Posted December 26, 2008 Author Share Posted December 26, 2008 (edited) +1, Josh... Edited December 26, 2008 by Faithless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARGH Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 [quote name='Josh' post='363650' date='Dec 26 2008, 01:08 PM']Usually I'd almost agree, but Metallica + P-Basses = Vomit.[/quote] Eh? How'd you work that out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 (edited) [quote name='ARGH' post='363655' date='Dec 26 2008, 01:17 PM']Eh? How'd you work that out?[/quote] To my ears, P-Basses don't work in alot of Metal situations, though in Hard Rock/Rock they are more appropiate. The P-Bass tone will not help Rob stand out in the mix much and would result in a really boomy mix, and going from his pretty well defined tone of his Zons/Warwick/Tobias's to the King of all things Boomy and undefined is kind of ironic. But hey, it may have just been a one off. Edited December 26, 2008 by Josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARGH Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 [quote name='Josh' post='363661' date='Dec 26 2008, 01:26 PM']To my ears, P-Basses don't work in alot of Metal situations,[/quote] ....clean your ears out..go to the docs and get them waxed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkReaver Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 I was watching the trailer for the new Metallica Guitar Hero that's coming out. Rob's computerised counterpart was playing a P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 [quote name='ARGH' post='363663' date='Dec 26 2008, 01:32 PM']....clean your ears out..go to the docs and get them waxed[/quote] Nah I'm happy with them the way they are. I still get confused to why some people rave on about Cliff's Rickenbacker tone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARGH Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 (edited) [quote name='Josh' post='363665' date='Dec 26 2008, 01:35 PM']Nah I'm happy with them the way they are. I still get confused to why some people rave on about Cliff's Rickenbacker tone.[/quote] You do know how many Metal records use P's....how many Bassists use P's.... How old are you? Have you NEVER heard of Sabbath,Maiden,Cannibal Corpse,COC,Sepultura? Edited December 26, 2008 by ARGH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 [quote name='ARGH' post='363667' date='Dec 26 2008, 01:37 PM']Even though the Ricky isnt on Ride or Master....[/quote] And the only time you can really tell it's distinctive noise is when it's boosted with distortion and wah. Still, Jason used a 57 P-Bass on Load and Re-Load, as did David Ellefson on Cryptic Writings and Risk. Both albums for each band being the more Blues Rock driven so it had much more of place in the overall sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 (edited) [quote name='ARGH' post='363667' date='Dec 26 2008, 01:37 PM']You do know how many Metal records use P's....how many Bassists use P's.... How old are you? Have you NEVER heard of Sabbath,Maiden,Cannibal Corpse,COC,Sepultura?[/quote] Of course. 19, and Yes/Yes/Yes/Yes/Yes/Yes. In fact I recently found a clip of Alex of CC recording for one of their old albums, and the tone was IMO horrific: Edited December 26, 2008 by Josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkReaver Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 (edited) Alex Webster uses Spectors these days doesn\'t he? Ps do work for some metal bands, but it depends. Works alright here. But then again Sabbath music is more doomy/stoner than some of the thrashier stuff metallica normally does (well not for the \'90s but you know what I mean). Edited December 26, 2008 by TheDarkReaver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARGH Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 [quote name='Josh' post='363668' date='Dec 26 2008, 01:41 PM']And the only time you can really tell it's distinctive noise is when it's boosted with distortion and wah. Still, Jason used a 57 P-Bass on Load and Re-Load, as did David Ellefson on Cryptic Writings and Risk. Both albums for each band being the more Blues Rock driven so it had much more of place in the overall sound.[/quote] Thats not an answer....Are you saying Harris's tone is blurry,Webster on 'Butchered' is buried?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 [quote name='TheDarkReaver' post='363674' date='Dec 26 2008, 01:48 PM']Alex Webster uses Spectors these days doesn't he?[/quote] Indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARGH Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 [quote name='Josh' post='363672' date='Dec 26 2008, 01:45 PM']Of course. 19, and Yes/Yes/Yes/Yes/Yes/Yes. In fact I recently found a clip of Alex of CC recording for one of their old albums, and the tone was IMO horrific: [/quote] YES yet another example of isolated bass track that sounds crap...throw it in the mix and it works. Great bass tone sounds arse on its own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 [quote name='ARGH' post='363675' date='Dec 26 2008, 01:50 PM']Thats not an answer....Are you saying Harris's tone is blurry,Webster on 'Butchered' is buried?...[/quote] No, Harris's tone is clicky and harsh, as is Websters. They stand out but IMO not in the way I prefer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARGH Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 (edited) [quote name='Josh' post='363678' date='Dec 26 2008, 01:51 PM']No, Harris's tone is clicky and harsh, as is Websters. They stand out but IMO not in the way I prefer.[/quote] OK,are you going to say that Butlers is the same? THEEE metal tone? WHo is a good tone IYHO? Edited December 26, 2008 by ARGH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 (edited) [quote name='ARGH' post='363677' date='Dec 26 2008, 01:51 PM']YES yet another example of isolated bass track that sounds crap...throw it in the mix and it works. Great bass tone sounds arse on its own.[/quote] True . Edited December 26, 2008 by Josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkReaver Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 Metal is a broad church though and I think Ps arn't as versatile for the whole range as a say a Jazz bass, or a spector. Spectors rock for metal \m/ I might be a bit biased though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARGH Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 (edited) [quote name='TheDarkReaver' post='363683' date='Dec 26 2008, 01:57 PM']Metal is a broad church though and I think Ps arn't as versatile for the whole range as a say a Jazz bass, or a spector. Spectors rock for metal \m/ I might be a bit biased though.[/quote] You ever been under studio conditions...not you paying..some other poor bastard,and the clocks ticking? You dont want versitile,you just want a tone that works,and P's do,by the ton. Spectors were great studio bass's in the 80s,but I reckon its the EMGs,and we are talking proper Spectors. Edited December 26, 2008 by ARGH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 (edited) [quote name='ARGH' post='363680' date='Dec 26 2008, 01:54 PM']OK,are you going to say that Butlers is the same? THEEE metal tone? WHo is a good tone IYHO?[/quote] I'm afraid so, but thats YOUR idea of THEEE Metal tone, I respect that. Surely your going to disagree with whom I say because: 1. Alot of them play Warwicks/Spectors. 2. Metal is much more over-produced nowadays than it was when you were younger. 3. Your of a different generation of Metal to me. But IMHO of the best bass tones in Metal go to: Ryan Martinie Sam Rivers James Leech Arif Mirabdolbaghi Can we agree to disagree or is that not enough? Edited December 26, 2008 by Josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkReaver Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 Yeah but we're not talking just studio but live as well, I thought anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARGH Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 [quote name='Josh' post='363687' date='Dec 26 2008, 02:03 PM']I'm afraid so, thats YOUR idea of THEEE Metal tone, I respect that. Surely your going to disagree with whom I say because: 1. Alot of them play Warwicks. 2. Metal is much more over-produced nowadays than it was when you were younger. 3. Your of a different generation of Metal to me. But IMHO of the best bass tones in Metal go to: Ryan Martinie Sam Rivers James Leech Arif Mirabdolbaghi Can we agree to disagree or is that not enough?[/quote] NO...Warwick have an endorsement deal running a mile wide,everyone likes free gear and they are hurling it at players,those guys are using Fenders on records,I see the youngsters click clicking tonally and calling it heavy,it sounds sh*t onstage,and it sounds crap on record...Ryan CAN play,and can play mean,but theres no darkness there,it isnt Heavy,its the post-Fieldy sound,it moves no-one,and yeah,the BASS has to be heard above downtuned guitars,but if Butler can cut through,AND still write lines that stand out without having to resort to boxes to fix in the mix,then theres summat very wrong...thats why the big ol'Fenders are still being used in the studio,they dont cause probs. Theres a lot more to metal tone than a Jappo name brand line6 DI'd into a mates studio...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 (edited) [quote name='ARGH' post='363692' date='Dec 26 2008, 02:13 PM']NO...Warwick have an endorsement deal running a mile wide,everyone likes free gear and they are hurling it at players,those guys are using Fenders on records,I see the youngsters click clicking tonally and calling it heavy,it sounds sh*t onstage,and it sounds crap on record...Ryan CAN play,and can play mean,but theres no darkness there,it isnt Heavy,its the post-Fieldy sound,it moves no-one,and yeah,the BASS has to be heard above downtuned guitars,but if Butler can cut through,AND still write lines that stand out without having to resort to boxes to fix in the mix,then theres summat very wrong...thats why the big ol'Fenders are still being used in the studio,they dont cause probs. Theres a lot more to metal tone than a Jappo name brand line6 DI'd into a mates studio......[/quote] Ok fair enough thats the way you see it, but all your reply seems to reflect is both a dislike for morden Metal Bassists and Warwicks, which I expected and in some cases I'm forced to agree with you. But your seemingly much more moved by classic Metal which was and still is Fender driven. Thats what you prefer, I can't argue with you about that, why would I want to? Ultimatley niether of us are right, nor are we wrong. If anything Butler wasn't exactly fighting against much distorion back then and his tone has some crunch qaulities to it, so his tone was pretty much guaranteed to stand out, the same goes for JPJ and Steve Harris. P.S. Fieldy's tone dosen't deserve to even be called tone, it's mindless clicking. Edited December 26, 2008 by Josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidbass Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 [quote name='Josh' post='363687' date='Dec 26 2008, 02:03 PM']Can we agree to disagree or is that not enough?[/quote] I think that might be the best option for everyone! Fender Precisions are definitely not the most suited bass for heavy metal music (I'd imagine it has one string less than required for a start!), but if it sounds good, then why not? +1 for whoever said that Precisions sound crap on their own but great in a mix. I've noticed this a few times, although I am generally a fan of the basic Precision sound on it's own too! Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ou7shined Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 Anyway firstly, who's to say he's using genuine P pups/electrics and secondly he's a pretty competent bassist.... I'm sure he knows what he's doing.... especially considering how much stick 'tallica get from whiny bitches for even farting in the wrong direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarky Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 Am I being dumb here but can't you get pretty much any rock bass sound you want with any decent quality bass, be it a P, J, 4003, Yamaha whatever, if you have the right pre-amp/amp settings? I have a P and use the Sansamp VT Bass and can dial in pretty much any rock tone. So if Rob T wants to play a cool-looking Fender P (white/tort looks both rock and punk) why the hell not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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