Oscar South Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Who says music has to have a melody? Every element of sonic manipulations is equally valid as a compositional focus. You shouldn't listen to Lightning Bolt if what you like in music is a pretty melody and gentle timbre, but if you want to accept music as art, there's a lot to enjoy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doddy Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 [quote name='Oscar South' post='1194844' date='Apr 10 2011, 06:03 PM']There are two types of people in this world; those who like art who's preconceptions they agree with, and those who enjoy good art.[/quote] [quote name='Oscar South' post='1194864' date='Apr 10 2011, 06:13 PM']You shouldn't listen to Lightning Bolt if what you like in music is a pretty melody and gentle timbre, but if you want to accept music as art, there's a lot to enjoy! [/quote] My hypothesis based on these comments is.... Because I don't like this particular brand of music and you do,I do not appreciate music as art. That's the impression I get.Am I right? I watched those clips,and thought that it was a couple of young guys who probably hadn't been playing for long and were playing in front of their mates. To me it sounded sloppy and amateurish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musky Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 [quote name='Doddy' post='1195077' date='Apr 10 2011, 09:17 PM']My hypothesis based on these comments is.... Because I don't like this particular brand of music and you do,I do not appreciate music as art. That's the impression I get.Am I right? I watched those clips,and thought that it was a couple of young guys who probably hadn't been playing for long and were playing in front of their mates. To me it sounded sloppy and amateurish.[/quote] Yep, I think they sound sloppy and amateurish as well. But then again, if I could have recorded one song it would be The Kingsmen's version of Louie Louie. That's as sloppy and amateurish as they come. Sometimes it's just part of the aesthetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawtooth Posted April 10, 2011 Author Share Posted April 10, 2011 [quote name='Doddy' post='1195077' date='Apr 10 2011, 09:17 PM']I watched those clips,and thought that it was a couple of young guys who probably hadn't been playing for long and were playing in front of their mates. To me it sounded sloppy and amateurish.[/quote] Much as I respect (and I suppose, desire, the more I learn) the beauty and complexity of musical theory and rhythmical concepts, I feel the more you learn, the more you analyze and criticise? I sometimes feel that you somehow lose that gut instinct and raw unabbreviated passion for 'sound'. At the end of it all - if a tune excites you, you ain't thinking about the mathematics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doddy Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 [quote name='Sawtooth' post='1195153' date='Apr 10 2011, 10:23 PM']Much as I respect (and I suppose, desire, the more I learn) the beauty and complexity of musical theory and rhythmical concepts, I feel the more you learn, the more you analyze and criticise? I sometimes feel that you somehow lose that gut instinct and raw unabbreviated passion for 'sound'. At the end of it all - if a tune excites you, you ain't thinking about the mathematics.[/quote] I agree with the fact that it excites you,that's great. No argument there. I don't agree with the fact that you lose your gut instincts and passion the more you learn. There are bands that I love that are a long way from being the best musicians but I totally dig the music. The fact is some stuff excites you and some stuff doesn't. In the case of Lightning Bolt,I heard nothing that I liked on either a musical or guttural level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawtooth Posted April 10, 2011 Author Share Posted April 10, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Doddy' post='1195179' date='Apr 10 2011, 10:49 PM']There are bands that I love that are a long way from being the best musicians but I totally dig the music. The fact is some stuff excites you and some stuff doesn't. In the case of Lightning Bolt,I heard nothing that I liked on either a musical or guttural level.[/quote] A fair point and well made. Each to their own. I'm a fairly new contributor to this forum, but I have always noticed and respected your opinions on here, but always thought that they were maybe biased towards the theoretical point of veiw. "There are bands that I love that are a long way from being the best musicians but I totally dig the music." - please share I really would like to hear them. Edit: please excuse my inane statement above ^^^. Edited April 10, 2011 by Sawtooth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doddy Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 I know what mean. I love music that's technical and full of great chops,but conversely one of my favourite bands is Ween,who are a total love/hate band. Some of their stuff is really out there and rough as hell,but it just clicked with me for some reason. In the same way that I when I listen to bands like the Spin Doctors or Barenaked Ladies,I get the same feelings as when I was 12 or 13 and didn't even play an instrument.I never feel like picking up an instrument up and studying them-I just listen and dig it. Don't worry....it wasn't an inane statement-I kind of get pegged as a technical jazzer,but that's only part of what I like and do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawtooth Posted April 10, 2011 Author Share Posted April 10, 2011 Thanks for that man .... It just goes to show what a wonderfully diverse and accepting breed us bass players are! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom1946 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Each to their own but as an almost OAP I come from a different generation. My parents were into Sinatra, Andy Williams etc' and I used to think WTF? Now I never criticise anyone's taste, it's such a personal thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumelow Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 i saw muse at earls court in 2004 and they covered dracula mountain at the beginning of the set, i had no idea who it was by till i looked em up. noone else sounds like lightning bolt, and there isnt many live performances quite as manic as theirs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmesa Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 One of the best live bands I've ever seen.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamd Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Fantastic band, real visceral rocknroll energy. Love DFA 1979 too (haven't they reformed?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thumbo Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 [quote name='grahamd' post='1195594' date='Apr 11 2011, 12:26 PM']Fantastic band, real visceral rocknroll energy. Love DFA 1979 too (haven't they reformed?)[/quote] I'm not sure if DFA have officially reformed, but at SXSW a few weeks ago they played a surprise set and caused a riot because of the amount of people that wanted to see them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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