callingltu Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Any ideas how to do this with live drummer and live bass? That would make awesome electro bass, with my synth pedals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 You could get a little clip on mic or trigger type thing to add to the kick drum when you get to a gig, seperate to the soundman's mic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callingltu Posted January 19, 2011 Author Share Posted January 19, 2011 Thing is i dont want it all the time. Could you suggest what hardware compressor i should buy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 I don't know if there is a pedal compressor with a side-chain input. I think you're probably looking for a rack unit. You could have a footswitch on the kick drum mic so that when you don't want the compression, you just remove the input from the side-chain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callingltu Posted January 19, 2011 Author Share Posted January 19, 2011 I'm thinking of just putting the compressor into line selector, smth like boss ls-2.. Anyway what mic or trigger you'd suggest, and what not very expensive compressor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clauster Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 (edited) I know there is at least one pwdal comp that will do the side chain. [s] I can't remeber off the top of my head which one it is[/s], but it isn't cheap. Edit for model: It's the [url="http://www.fealabs.com/products/OFC-0001.html"]FEA OptiFet[/url] Edited January 19, 2011 by clauster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahpook Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 (edited) [quote name='clauster' post='1095426' date='Jan 19 2011, 05:58 PM']I know there is at least one pwdal comp that will do the side chain. [s] I can't remeber off the top of my head which one it is[/s], but it isn't cheap. Edit for model: It's the [url="http://www.fealabs.com/products/OFC-0001.html"]FEA OptiFet[/url][/quote] i had a look at that... not sure if it's just got the ability to put fx in the side-chain, or if it'll work with just an key signal in the return Edited January 19, 2011 by ahpook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clauster Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Indeed it was, you were posting as I was editing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callingltu Posted January 19, 2011 Author Share Posted January 19, 2011 [url="http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHMDX1600"]http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHMDX1600[/url] Hm, i think this might do the job. And it has two chanels, so i could make 2 different presets, with two line seletors. Now for triggering? Would any cheap mic do it? My main worry is that the mic might catch lots of background noises, even my bass sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahpook Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 [quote name='clauster' post='1095446' date='Jan 19 2011, 06:18 PM']Indeed it was, you were posting as I was editing [/quote] jinx ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomTFS Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 [quote name='callingltu' post='1095447' date='Jan 19 2011, 06:19 PM'][url="http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHMDX1600"]http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHMDX1600[/url] Hm, i think this might do the job. And it has two chanels, so i could make 2 different presets, with two line seletors. Now for triggering? Would any cheap mic do it? My main worry is that the mic might catch lots of background noises, even my bass sound.[/quote] You might get away with a really cheap mic if you really wrap it up in something soft and sound absorbant then throw it inside the drum. Probably have to play around a bit but I think that should work pretty well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callingltu Posted January 19, 2011 Author Share Posted January 19, 2011 Cool! I'll go to a music shop tommorow, to try that behringer with some cheap mic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 You're not going to use the mic so it can sound awful. It's just to feed the side-chain. You should be able to find some crap mic for £10 or less off ebay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51m0n Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 As long as you bung the mic in the kick, and point it right at the beater meets skin mark, preferably only an inch or two away from the batter skin, then you are not going to be worrying about bleed at all. Especially if you have a sidechain filter to pick the frequencies that its going to work off HINT: You ideally want the smack/click of the beater as the trigger not the thump of the drum. This is because it happens first, and thats what you need for ducking effectively. This is why you want o get the mic so close though, as the snare may well 'compete' at those frequencies... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Si can't you get trigger type things that stick on to the skin? Or would that not be appropriate for feeding the sidechain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51m0n Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 a 'bug' type trigger should be fine, although some/most are piezos and would need to be battery powered I think. That should be fine, until it falls off! Course you need to either re-attach it to the skin whenever drummer bod changes skins, or attach it to the shell, which may or may not work as well.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51m0n Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 (edited) Youtube to the rescue... Edited January 20, 2011 by 51m0n Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51m0n Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 This would do the job I think.... [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Yamaha-DT10-Drum-Trigger-/400188926978?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Drums_Percussions_MJ&hash=item5d2d1e6c02"]Yamaha DT10 Drum Trigger[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callingltu Posted January 20, 2011 Author Share Posted January 20, 2011 [quote name='51m0n' post='1096121' date='Jan 20 2011, 12:41 PM']This would do the job I think.... [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Yamaha-DT10-Drum-Trigger-/400188926978?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Drums_Percussions_MJ&hash=item5d2d1e6c02"]Yamaha DT10 Drum Trigger[/url][/quote] As I understand you need drum proccesor to use this? I only have old drum machine 808 or smth like that, but as i understand that wouldnt do the job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51m0n Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 (edited) [quote name='callingltu' post='1096311' date='Jan 20 2011, 01:39 PM']As I understand you need drum proccesor to use this? I only have old drum machine 808 or smth like that, but as i understand that wouldnt do the job [/quote] Well the issue in fact i sthat the output from it may be the wrong impedance, an will almost certainly not be a high enough voltage to trigger the line (or near line) level input of most key listen inputs on most comressors. If you ran it through an appropriate preamp (something scavenged from an electroacoustic guitar for instance) then you would be fine.... It is, after all, just a piezo crystal wired up to a jack, as such the compression of the crystal causes an electric current to be produced when it is deformed (by a sound for instance). Edited January 20, 2011 by 51m0n Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callingltu Posted January 20, 2011 Author Share Posted January 20, 2011 I have few tube mic pre-amps, they might work for that Ok I'll first try with cheap mic, if that doesnt work, then i'll go with triggers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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