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There’s a rig run down on YouTube somewhere - they have run amps off stage for considerable time (Triaxis rigs) - but I seem to recall they have been on AxeFX in more recent years.

I love this thread. Not so long ago, I was being shot down at the prospect of not using a bass rig as a bass rig. Thank for the tech Gods for change! 😛

Indeed. It sounds like there's no reasoning with this guy either. I'd imagine when the tender goes out for the PA company, they all do it once and never again. Interesting to see he uses acrylic screens too... but then defeats the purpose of them by just adding another 3, 4, 5 amps on stage... in addition to the 3, 4, 5 amps that are already there... I wonder how many of fans who would attend his gigs actually stay away due to his volume?

215s are a very important IEM - at the shows we always refer to them as the gateway drug that lead onto stronger things! You'll already know nick - but for others reading this, the 215 is hardly representative of the quality that you can get from an IEM - but their place in the market is very important! For those that are struggling to understand the difference, the 215 is like a single 8" bass cab... a UE6, an 8x10. You'll hear stuff through one of them.... and you'll hear lots of stuff through the other, with loads of bass, loads of headroom. It's quite disheartening to hear about people that have "tried IEMs, didn't like them" - and their adventures are either with the buds you get free with your mobile phone or a set of 215s ("hey, they were nearly 100 quid, they got to be good!")

And that was before they turned the PA up.

I’m guessing those guys are defo planted in the acoustic world and not looking for an electric guitar through a cranked amp tone!

No worries - I’ll be surprised if you don’t notice a big improvement in the lows.... but yeah, don’t go spending more on universals, have a set of UE6s in your sight. That’s where things start to get interesting and are noticeably a step up all round.

That’s progress or something like that! I guess it’s true though - the presence of multidriver IEMs from China has really shook up the entry point for IEMs... and when they are offering so much more than the 215s they are competing against... well, it’s a bit of a no brainer. You primarily pay for bass and headroom... and things like the ZS10 have it in spades. As I say, not necessarily sonically brilliant - but for monitoring use as opposed to critical listening, fantastic. Having said that, there’s more than a few people out there who would say that they are great as a set of critical listening IEMs. I’m not sure I agree with that - but I guess it’s all subjective!

http://www.custom-inearmonitors.co.uk/iems/ultimate-ears-ue-6-pro-custom-in-ear-monitors.html The above is where you want to be at. Save your money for those. Well worth the visit to see Paul at CIEM Co. above as you can compare all the different models (albeit in a non custom form!). He's a one stop shop for getting impressions made and handles everything until the customs arrive on your door mat. The more budget option - that will give you far more headroom and a superior low end response, well, that would be the ZS10 or AS10. Much, much cheaper than the Shure. What they give up in "reference" quality, they gain in headroom... which is way more beneficial from a live IEM point of view. Alot of people, myself included, would take a set of ZS10s over a set of 535s purely because of the extended headroom in the bass. The UE6 however... well, that gives you the extended lows, superior isolation (meaning you don't have to drive the drivers as hard) but gives you a far superior tuning (e.g. crossovers, frequency response, phase alignment) to the standard universals (which are typically just place some balanced armatures (speakers) in a casing. You may notice that the UE6 is a triple driver setup - so whats different to your 535s? Well, 535s are a triple balanced armature setup as opposed to the UE6 hybrid setup (which is a dynamic speaker in the mid, the low and a balanced armature in the high). What's this mean? A dynamic typically has greater headroom, greater bass response and has a warmer timbre to a balanced armature. I tend to say that a dynamic roughly equals 2 balanced armatures in the lows. Dynamics give up a little detail - but I would wager 99% of people wouldn't know in a blind test. The hybrid setup of the UE6 with the balanced armature in the highs however, still give you are the sparkle, air and detail where you need it. I would normally recommend a quad balanced armature setup for a bassplayer - but the UE6 gives the same sort of experience (due to the added headroom and bass response of the dynamic drivers) - and a lower cost compared to a quad armature custom.

Is the footswitch a simply passive switch that controls a relay or does the pedal have any logic in it (sorry not familiar with the amp)? It may be the length of the cable has caused voltage drop and by memory, the states of the Fenders are controlled by voltage levels... and this setup may be screwing with it.

The cleaner you can get each of the elements that make up the complete mix, the better the engineer can get it sounding. With Mr Bonamassa, looks like being a sound engineer and trying to deliver a good mix is futile.

The difference being that the bassists can still hear and the guitarists are eh? eh? eh? eh? what? eh? what you say? Can't put a price on tone.

Roasting is entirely appropriate if putting others health at risk under the facade of it being the only was of getting full sounding guitars and controlling dynamics - which is just not true. We all know the stories of guitarists running small rigs, often offstage, with fake cabs - there’s a reason for this. He may be a pro - but his actions are highly irresponsible and short sighted.

I don’t care what he does to his own ears - but to seemingly go out of his way to toast others ears too... well, the guy is clearly a tool.

https://forum.jbonamassa.com/viewtopic.php?id=22909 Yeah, just dandy Joe. https://www.facebook.com/JoeBonamassa/posts/ears-still-ringing-from-the-amp-show-saw-a-bunch-of-friends-though-even-a-couple/164303641317/ https://www.mylespaul.com/threads/joe-bonamassa-in-concert-unbiased-review.251371/ I dunno about you - but I have some very strong views about Joe's views.

I bet sound engineers hate him. "Did you go to that JB gig? Yeah, the sound was awful... what was the sound guy doing?" Answer - putting nothing through the PA.

Did you know that "jurassic nonsense" is an anagram of Joe Bonamassa?

Are you sure that your soldering is correct between the stereo sockets. Tip to tip, Ring to Ring, Sleeve to Sleeve?

No worries Davo - glad that you could hear the benefits of a multiple driver setup. Just goes to show that you can get an immense amount of headroom and low end response without breaking the bank! Enjoy!

And this is why guitarists are always a nightmare when it comes to inears. Playing for themselves instead of the overall sound of the band. Bad for your hearing? In the fact that you can have a lower SPL? If JB has explored Klang and all the ambient options available, then I would be receptive of his wide, sweeping statements. In Ears have reduced the amount of people that have resulted in having chronic tinnitus... I'd say that's saving your ears. I find it interesting that all those that don't advocate the use of IEMs (typically the old school rockers) - are all the ones that are struggling with insufferable ringing ears. As for comments about the dynamics... the sounds engineers are in control of the dynamics that audience hear anyway, whether you are using IEMs or not. If your guitar rigs are overpowering the PA, then the balance of music that the audience here is greatly compromised anyway. Better to have a set of ears out front where the audience are to balance the mix. Fatter and fuller sound - he's saying a desk full of processing and a PA with full range reproduction can't produce a fatter and fuller sound? Err... try getting a fuller and fatter sound out of your kick drum without any processing and see how far you get. If you can't get a fatter and fuller sound, it's down to poor engineering or inadequate tools... not down to the concept of running a quieter stage with the PA doing the work. I think we can say that JB is a dinosaur who doesn't give a stinky poo about the health of his own, or other people's hearing. But hey, that's rock n roll.

I defo don't agree that latency doesn't really doesn't get noticed until around 20ms! Tolerances on IEMs usually top out at 10ms... some people are lower. I just don't understand why people would choose to add latency when a wireless unit is meant to be a cable replacement (with sub sub sub sub sub ms latency?)

The latency of the G75 is sub 1.5ms... so it's actually pretty much top of the tree in terms of latency out of all the digital wireless systems out there. I would say it's significantly better... or in other words, leaps and bounds better. Or to put it another way... the G75 has pretty much half the latency of the tour grade digital wireless systems (although alot of those are running encryption also).

Indeed - and one of the reasons it's lost one of the nice features (phantom power over XLR). I'm guessing there's some digital element going on with the tuner too - which will add to the power consumption somewhat.

I think the biggest unanswered question is... are they going to rework the Trump blimp?

When you see pedals like this, it's no wonder a lot of bands sound crap - when you want to hear the bass, it seems counter-intuitive to cut the bass... but that's usually the solution to the problem. Hard hitting lows? Look around 80-180. Leave 65 for your kick.