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[quote name='lemmywinks' post='619518' date='Oct 7 2009, 01:03 PM']A while ago i sold a bass to a forum member called jamiejames. The bank transfer was agreed and i arranged for the bass to be shipped on the same day, bass was collected but no money turned up[/quote] Sorry to hear this; I hope you can get a suitable result.

As some have suggested already (including me), I'm all for not copying a line slavishly and for copping the feel instead or even coming up with a wholly new line. However, I think there's also much to be said for and a lot to be learned from making a close study of the bass lines of great players like Tommy Cogbill. Similarly, I spent some time studying Ray Charles left hand piano part before I came up with a bass line for [i]Hallelujah, I Love Her So[/i]. I think it took me places I wouldn't have gone without that careful listening to little details.

[quote name='Nodd' post='617388' date='Oct 5 2009, 01:24 PM']It is on the hang tag and on the amp chassis on a metal plate. Is there a way of figuring out the age, or birth date from the serial number? Nodd[/quote] I read somewhere - possibly or even probably Talkbass - that the serials all start at 100 and are prefixed by the model code (WK for the Walkabout). So, if your serial number is WK-3765 you have the 3665th Walkabout built. The only way to date is ring Mesa. IIRC.

[quote name='LukeFRC' post='617975' date='Oct 5 2009, 09:18 PM']hmm, yes my reply appears a bit harsh and sarcastic. I appolagise.[/quote] Thanks, Luke. And I apologise too for both my response to you and any offence caused by my first post. [quote name='LukeFRC' post='617975' date='Oct 5 2009, 09:18 PM']however a shop lives and dies by it's reputation. This thread is about an amp being repaired at at [i]another[/i] shop in Glasgow, guitarguitar were used as an example of good customer service. I see little need for your comment referring to someone elses past problem with the shop in this thread. It's not relevent to the discussion and just hurts the reputation of a perfectly good local business. I think if you want to talk about whatever problems you personally have with them, it belongs in a different thread.[/quote] I would take this point as a general rule but I remain aghast at the particular events to which I referred.

[quote name='velvetkevorkian' post='617620' date='Oct 5 2009, 04:27 PM']I guess its possible that Gary Willis has never bothered to adjust the intonation of his bass? The behaviour he describes sounds similar to when a fretted bass is not intonated correctly, and as we've seen a lot of folk don't really bother with setting up fretless intonation in the same way as a fretted.[/quote] Well, his comment is from a page that is one of a series on how to intonate a bass so it hardly seems likely that he hasn't bothered to adjust the intonation.

[quote name='LukeFRC' post='617896' date='Oct 5 2009, 08:12 PM']er... a wee bit unfair that, I just read the thread, as far as I can see someone asked their shop in newcastle about an item. The item was in glasgow and as a result they didn't give the correct information. As shown when they got pictures through from the Glasgow store. Their mistake was not providing adequate information to a sales person hundreds of miles from the item he's not seen. Compared to the rubbish i've heard sales people say in other shops about items in their hands its not the end of the world. I've never had anything except brilliant service from the edinburgh store. I would think another large reason why you would 'never buy anything substantial from Guitar Guitar' is the fact you live in brighton?[/quote] It remains my opinion. I may live in Brighton but I strongly considered buying the item concerned as did another basschatter - who it appears was seriously misled by them. I don't really see that where someone lives is of any relevance when you're buying over the internet. You're correct that it was not 'the end of the world' but then none of this stuff is 'the end of the world'; but being so clearly misled about a £1200 item I'd say is serious even if you think it unimportant.

[quote name='ase_one23' post='617710' date='Oct 5 2009, 05:42 PM']wont find out till i get off from work whether there's a voicemail waiting for me from flynn amps, but as a side note on how customer service should be: [b]guitar guitar [/b]sold me a psu and daisy chain that they assured me were compatible - they werent. popped back in this afternoon, returned it and fortunately they had the one i wanted in stock now so got that instead. they owed me a quid, said i'd put it towards some strings - the guy went, tell you what, since u had to come back in, just have the strings for a quid. and thats why they get my repeat custom.[/quote] The reason I would never buy anything substantial from Guitar Guitar is in this thread: [url="http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=60125"]http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=60125[/url] Good luck with the amp.

[quote name='Major-Minor' post='617501' date='Oct 5 2009, 02:57 PM']Dave I don't understand your question ![/quote] I know, which will be why you haven't addressed it. It was a question about a claim made on Gary Willis's website about setting up intonation on a lined fretless. I was asking if his claim was correct and if someone could explain the reason for what Willis says happens. I already knew from another thread that some people here thought Willis's claim didn't fit with their experience. [quote name='Major-Minor' post='617501' date='Oct 5 2009, 02:57 PM']How can you "set-up" the intonation on a fretless bass ?[/quote] Well, maybe it doesn't bother you but, generally speaking, I'd like to, for example, have the octave at close to 17" from the nut on all four strings. If I tweak the truss rod for a new set of strings then it will be necessary to adjust the bridge saddles to bring the intonation in line. Maybe you don't like to do that but I think you'll find many do. However, that is how you set-up the intonation on a fretless bass. It will still be necessary to play it in tune. [quote name='Major-Minor' post='617501' date='Oct 5 2009, 02:57 PM']... I've always found that, when using the lines as a visual guide, i have to place the finger directly on the line to be close to the correct intonation. ...[/quote] So, to go back to my original question, do you think Willis has it wrong?

[quote name='Major-Minor' post='617360' date='Oct 5 2009, 01:04 PM']I have a lined fretless and I only use those lines as rough guide. On the DB, we always talk about "adjusting" your intonation as you play ie if you are slightly out of tune on one note, you need to use that information to correct your positioning on the fingerboard so the following note is in tune. If you rely on the looking at the lines on a fretless you will always be out of tune because you are not letting your ears do the work. Try practicing looking away from the bass, only glancing at the fingerboard when you make a large position jump. Listen closely to every note in relation to the last, and make adjustments as you go, using the occasional open string or harmonic to fix the pitch in your ears. And when you play with your band, focus on both your own intonation and, at the same time, the intonation of a fixed tuning instrument like say a keyboard or guitar. Make sure you are adjusting to that fixed pitch. Of course this is only for when you want to be bang on in tune. The beauty of fretless (and DB) is that you can bend that intonation to create a more expressive performance. The Major[/quote] Thanks Major. I do all those things and I don't in fact play a lined fretless but an unlined. The point of my question was really about Willis's claim and an explanation for it. Also, what are the implications for setting up the intonation on a fretless - if he is indeed correct - rather than about actually listening to the notes which I realise will always be essential.

[quote name='boo' post='382171' date='Jan 16 2009, 12:29 PM']There's even one on there for the song your after, though I can't vouch for it's accuracy or usefulness... [url="http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/d/dusty_springfield/son_of_a_preacher_man_btab.htm"]http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/d/dust...er_man_btab.htm[/url][/quote] That's a start but I'd say that it's definitely not entirely accurate. However I doubt Cogbill would have played it the same twice, but the same feel would have been there and that's what matters.

[quote name='endorka' post='381954' date='Jan 16 2009, 01:50 AM']I have done a full transcription/adaptation of this bassline, but it's in notation only, not tab. Let me know if you'd like me to send it to you - I believe the recorded key is E, right? Jennifer[/quote] Jennifer, I'd love a copy of that notation if you'd email it to me. The key is definitely E on the Springfield/Cogbill version. PM sent.

[quote name='The Funk' post='617016' date='Oct 4 2009, 11:33 PM'][/quote] Yeah man, that's what I wanna know, what is Willis talking 'bout.

[quote name='velvetkevorkian' post='617006' date='Oct 4 2009, 11:24 PM']There are indeed two purple blobs. Its easy to tell them apart- one can play chords and one can't [/quote]

Am I confused or am I seeing two purple blobs?

[quote name='Musky' post='615862' date='Oct 3 2009, 05:12 PM']Interesting that so many people don't consider heads to be part of the backline (at least for purposes of kit sharing). I've never come across this before and I've got to admit that if a venue or band said they were providing backline I'd assume this meant both the amp and cab.[/quote] +1

Those are all Cmajor triad (C-E-G) in different inversions. Bass chords generally sound much better higher up the neck. Try starting with double stops rather than three or four note chords.

[quote name='thepurpleblob' post='616963' date='Oct 4 2009, 10:47 PM']Any! What about a major chord - all three notes of it.[/quote] If you know your scales (and so the 1st, 3rd, and 5th) you should be able to 'see' the chord shapes on the fingerboard.

[quote name='YouMa' post='616956' date='Oct 4 2009, 10:41 PM']Girls love it,and i love funky music and girls,i love slap.[/quote] Actually girls also like a bit of fingerstyle.

[quote name='BottomEndian' post='616931' date='Oct 4 2009, 10:13 PM']Like I said [url="http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=59631"]over here[/url], I haven't experienced the phenomenon in Gary Willis' pictures. In my [i]extremely[/i] scientific test (sample size: 2 ), I didn't find anything like that drift.[/quote] Hi BE, yes, I remember that thread - this one's a continuation of it because it has been worrying me. I also remember you said you thought it wasn't correct whereas I thought it might be but I couldn't explain why. Let's see what anyone else has got to say.

[quote name='XB26354' post='616892' date='Oct 4 2009, 09:41 PM']It is legit - you are setting intonation in relation to the lines. I used to have an Ibanez GWB and came across this issue. In the first example the 12th fret finger is almost a quarter tone sharp. As the "frets" are farther apart near the nut this means you would have to play further past the fret to be in tune. [b]All Willis is saying is that setting up a lined fretless with intonation similar to a fretted bass means placing your finger so the edge is where the fret would have been.[/b] Of course it would be different on an unlined fretless as there aren't the same reference points.[/quote] Thanks for the response but is that really all he's saying? I read it as the positon of the finger in relation to the line will vary up and down the neck - if you set it up so the edge of the finger is where the fret would have been in one place it will not be so in another pace.

[quote name='The Funk' post='616875' date='Oct 4 2009, 09:29 PM']I don't know if that's legit or BS. I have no fretlines on my fretless so it doesn't really affect me. I'd be interested to know what others have to say about this.[/quote] I don't have any lines either but I want to know - even without lines, if there's something in it, it might affect how you set the intonation in relation to side dots.

Can anyone explain this: [url="http://garywillis.com/pages/bass/bassmanual/intonation4.html"]http://garywillis.com/pages/bass/bassmanual/intonation4.html[/url]

[quote name='Bass_In_Yer_Face' post='616737' date='Oct 4 2009, 07:13 PM']I love The Beat...I've had the chance to see them a couple of times but not bothered as i know Dave Wakeling in the US and not with the band anymore so it's not The Beat as far as I'm concerned.[/quote] The other two - David Steele (bass) and Andy Cox (guitar) - became Fine Young Cannibals with Roland Gift.

Brummie here too but not in Brum .... welcome.

[quote name='BassAgent' post='616142' date='Oct 4 2009, 12:07 AM']I like slapping, but the problem is many bass players don't know how to limit the amount of slapping in their songs. It's always either everything or nothing.[/quote] In my case, nothing.