Beedster

[quote name='ThomBassmonkey' post='1202837' date='Apr 17 2011, 06:55 PM']Some quotes from the description: "Keller handmade Pre~CBS ´64 neck replica" "It's my take on Pre CBS Jazz neck ´64 replica" "Neck is exact replica of ´64 Jazz" He quite clearly says that it's a replica and that it's made by "Keller" (I assume him), I fail to see the problem. There's nothing misleading about it. If someone's going to spend £350+ on a neck (before import tax and shipping etc), I'd hope they'd read the description properly. Edit: I understand the concern that it could be used to create a fake, but there's really nothing that Fender could do. It's very clearly advertised as a copy. As for the date, AFAIK the date stamps are often a year or more earlier than the bass's year because the bass's year is the year it was assembled, not the year it was made.[/quote] I don't think he's being dishonest in his description, but I think he is being dubious in his intent, which is to sell a neck that will likely end up on a ringer, as John seems to agree below [quote name='Bassassin' post='1202856' date='Apr 17 2011, 07:14 PM']I have no problem with it existing, but really think the date stamp is a bit dubious. Even if it isn't the seller's intention (and that's a whopping big "if" IMO), it's inevitable these will end up wearing fakey stickers, being re-loused (or whatever that stupid non-word is) and being fobbed off as genuine 60s Fenders. Jon.[/quote]

[quote name='KiOgon' post='1202842' date='Apr 17 2011, 06:59 PM']I can see a occasional genuine requirement - if you had a 63 or even 64 Jazz bass that had a nasty fall or perhaps you left it on the ground behind your car!!!!!!!!!! Where would you find a suitable replacement neck? I don't think Fender would be much help [/quote] OK, but would it need a date stamp at the heel if you weren't planning on passing it off as original at some stage? It's not like the punters or the sound guy can see it?

[quote name='KiOgon' post='1202828' date='Apr 17 2011, 06:44 PM']It worries me yes, not necessarily crap, it may truly be of great quality but the fact that he advertises it as a 64 neck & it clearly has Jan 63 stamped on it [/quote] In crap I meant that it's a crap thing to do, not crap quality. Yes, his dates don't really tie in do they

[quote name='Happy Jack' post='1202819' date='Apr 17 2011, 06:34 PM']See where you're coming from, Chris, but he's doing something that many others do too ... just being open about it. Eventually someone will discover a way of performing non-intrusive dendro-chronology on bass components and then the sh*t will really hit the fan.[/quote] Hey mate, how you feeling? Hope all's well. I guess it's the fact that he can't sell it on eBay if it has 'Fender' on the headstock, but he can with that stamp. The intent is the same, as is the likely outcome; the new buyer buys the neck and a £12.50 transfer and bingo, it's on an equally non-kosher body and some poor f****r spends a lot of money on a pre-CBS? The seller has been open and technically honest, but not honest enough to not do it in the first place; that is, he knows exactly the likely reason that someone will buy that neck?

[quote name='99ster' post='1202816' date='Apr 17 2011, 06:30 PM']+1 If you do replace the pickguard - it's vital that you store it screwed to a flat piece of wood. And then keep it somewhere dark... Lovely bass. You just can't top a pre-CBS Precision.[/quote] +1 to both, my pickguard has the profile of the alps and is about 2mm short of each screw hole. Looks magical though, and smells like it's been chain smoking 80 tabs with the odd bottle of JD in there for good measure every day for 46 years! And to think I almost sold it the other day

[quote name='BottomE' post='1182415' date='Mar 30 2011, 04:22 PM']BadAss my ass. Got one on my Jazz bass and tbh i find the string spacing either too narrow or too wide - even with 4 possible settings! Get yourself one of these: [url="http://www.the2tek.com/"]Now this is a bridge[/url] Ok, you'll have to cut a hole in your bass and it will weigh a lot more but it will have an enormous impact on your sound. I have one of these in a Hamer bass and it is incredible. The thing sustains for hours and sounds huge. Thought the company had gone bust but seems not.[/quote] Mmmm, I'd be keen to dig a hole in a '60s Fender body

On so many levels it worries me that 'luthiers' are doing this, and that unlike Ric, who'd be all over it, Fender doesn't challenge it? OK, it doesn't state 'Fender', and the stamp doesn't tie in with the description, but as if it's not hard enough to verify vintage Fender gear already, you get guys faking Fender neck stamps and openly selling on eBay? You gotta wonder how many are on the market that aren't acknowledged forgeries? [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RARE-Pre-CBS-64-jazz-neck-clay-dots-aged-bass-/150587027342?pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item230fafaf8e#ht_500wt_922"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RARE-Pre-CBS-64-jazz...8e#ht_500wt_922[/url]

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[quote name='Jambo' post='1186240' date='Apr 2 2011, 10:02 PM']i have the 1st one thy released....a bit more £300-ish but worth it.....esp. like the matching headstock and stacked pots... [url="http://www.squierguitars.com/products/search.php?partno=0327900506"]black vm jag[/url][/quote] I bought one a week or so back, I'm blown away with it. It just works, great range of tones, P-PUP sounds like a Precision should, J-PUP sounds like a Jazz should, neck is fast and straight, no dodgy frets. Oh, and it looks like a bass costing about 4 times as much, I bet if I left this next to my '65 on a stage, this would get nicked first C

Line 6 Studio 110 does it for me. I like the Flip Top tone, and although it's tiny, it'll do small gigs at a push

[quote name='Soliloquy' post='1198928' date='Apr 13 2011, 11:57 PM']I do find it slightly ironic that the main contributor to this thread sold a bass to a guy on here last year. The guy drove all the way to pick it up, a round trip I think of a few hundred miles. The bass had been advertised with certain pickups, I can't remember exactly what I was told. When he got there the seller said "Oh, I hope you don't mind, but I've swapped out the pickups on the bass". Well it was a bit late then wasn't it if he did mind. The guy had also put a mark on the front of the bass by not being too careful swapping the pickups over. Anyway, I subsequently bought the bass which is when I was told the story.[/quote] [quote name='EssentialTension' post='1198963' date='Apr 14 2011, 12:55 AM']So, this story which you 'can't remember exactly' is hearsay and may or may not be accurate. How is that helpful to this thread? As for 'the main contributor to this thread', does that mean the OP; or the person with the most posts in the thread; or who? You may think you're not being personal but you've still got some of us trying to work out who you are accusing - i.e. the person you identify as 'the main contributor to this thread'.[/quote] +1, he's kinda thrown that accusation at quite a few of us hasn't he Dave? Having sold a few basses on here, and having then seen a couple sold on at substantially inflated prices (and in one case with changed out cheaper parts), I'd be interested to hear who the mystery buyer and seller are? Or at least, if he;s not prepared to name names, he could say which of us it's not Chris

[quote name='Oldman' post='1198669' date='Apr 13 2011, 08:38 PM']Guys, your right Beedster, I did not post this thread expecting to resolve an issue that was not of my doing, all avenues had been exhausted. And as mentioned by another BC, a seperate thread already posted specifically to pre-empt a response from me about being shortchanged on a deal, especially after asking the Transformer question. I have told this as it is, should any moderator want me to forward the e-mail trail from Mike to me and back at my business e-mail address no problem. It was started as Caveat Emptor and thats what I wanted to do make everybody aware that dubious deals can still get thro the net. OP? Ask yourself a question guys, the casing says 120Volts, the manual says only connect the right mains voltage, the seller says its OK .......................would you? I think I have said enough and all you guys irreverant or not have highlighted various aspects of this unfortunate case. Let it serve as a reminder "Its a jungle out there". Thanks for taking an interest I have achieved what I set out to do, bring it to the attention of the forum. Brian[/quote] Thanks Brian As I've said a few time above, we need threads like this to remind us how risky deals can be and how convoluted they can get. All I can say about the above 7 pages is that I hope you get things sorted out to your satisfaction, and that when you have, I hope you can explain it all to the rest of us! Skank's people will be in touch re the film rights. C PS OP = original poster

[quote name='skankdelvar' post='1198591' date='Apr 13 2011, 07:39 PM']Saints be praised! He's alive! That's Ped off the hook for murder.[/quote] There goes our blockbuster/mini-series/video game though Skank?

[quote name='molan' post='1198577' date='Apr 13 2011, 07:22 PM']Yeah I know - I just didn't want to get into a protracted row about it. With hindsight I should have said something as it might have warned others off. I have to own up that a few months later the seller approached me to buy something I owned but hadn't actually put up for sale - I said he could have it for about £200 more than I paid for it (more than twice the price I'd paid) and he took it so I thought I'd kinda got my 'retribution' that way. Not anything I'm particularly proud of though. . .[/quote] I wouldn't worry about it to much, sounds like Karma in action mate, and he was clearly happy with the deal Re feedback, I think the forum's got so big now that feedback is really important, buying and selling on here's a different proposition to what it was even a year or so ago (you only have to check out the convoluted plot of the transaction at the core of this thread to realise that things aren't what they used to be!).

[quote name='EssentialTension' post='1198559' date='Apr 13 2011, 07:07 PM']However, once you read the other thread, you may find that the key doesn't fit the lock.[/quote] It all reminds of the final line in Burn After Reading " I guess we learned not to do it again. I'll be f****d if I know what we did though. "

[quote name='molan' post='1198527' date='Apr 13 2011, 06:47 PM']OK - so I've kept quiet about this, and I'm not going to name any names, but I had something similar happen to me recently with someone deleting their own thread which had no replies. I was offered something for a particular price so I thought I'd try to check out its value. Couldn't find anything similar here so went to Google to see if there was one somewhere else. Lo & behold the first Google listing that came up was for BC. How odd I thought, must have mis-typed the search in BC. I hit the Google link and the thread had disappeared. Went back to Google and looked at the cached version - there was the very same item from the same seller being listed at exactly a quarter of the price he'd just tried to offer it to me at! Needless to say I queried the price and walked away from the deal. Seller said original listing was a 'mistake. but we're talking a pretty big differential here and a completely deleted thread. . . In fact while I'm on the subject, lol. I bought an amp here a while back that had an intermittent hum. It didn't happen when I tested the amp but once it had been on for a while it kicked in really badly. Seller claimed it had never happened to him & I let it ride. I then went searching a few specialist sites to see if i could find out what the problem would be. . . Big surprise - I found a thread from the seller (using the same name as here) on another site explaining the amp had a problem and asking for help. The guys on that site said it sounded a bit nasty and might cost a bit to repair. The seller then openly requested in his thread that the mods delete the thread. They didn't so it was a clear record of what had happened. I took the decision not to get involved in a big hassle and sold the amp to someone who was a decent tech who thought he could fix it himself. Luckily he did so it all worked out Ok. Just goes to show that the old Caveat Emptor ruling definitely applies here as much as anywhere else [/quote] OK, I know it's a personal decision, but the latter case is what the feedback thread's for Barrie?

[quote name='Johnston' post='1198518' date='Apr 13 2011, 06:40 PM']Whats this Bernmeister story??[/quote] [quote name='skankdelvar' post='1198247' date='Apr 13 2011, 03:08 PM']True, Chris. But Bernmeister also posted in that FS thread. And his post has disappeared from his posting history. And he's not been seen on the forum since March. I fear the worst.[/quote]

[quote name='EssentialTension' post='1197969' date='Apr 13 2011, 11:48 AM'][url="http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=131659&hl="]http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=131659&hl=[/url][/quote] [quote name='daz' post='1198504' date='Apr 13 2011, 06:28 PM']I know i must be missunderstanding this somehow ?![/quote] Easily done, the key is in the first page on the link Dave posted above C